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Posted: 7/19/2004 6:57:26 PM EDT
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There is only one QD (100% repeat zero) cantilever mount on the market. It is the best scope mount for AR's IMHO.... C4 www.gandrtactical.com  
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The Armalite one piece would work similarly to the LaRue above. It has knobs vs. levers. Levers are quicker, I suppose. I used to use an Armalite mount when switching back and forth between two 458 SOCOM uppers. Repeatable -- 100%. The height will be too low for anything with a front sight tower there......on either the LaRue mount, or the Armalite. Unless the magnification is 2x or lower...... |
I guess everyone can have an opinion, but they really don't compare. The LaRue is in on a totally different level.
Oh please......  It's nice but, jesus h. christ, two throw levers make it "magical"??? "Totally different level....".....  Fucking CNC'ed aluminum.........both of them. Both repeatable...... In this application NEITHER one will fit the bill. |
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While I do agree that the mounts are similar, you cannot return a thumb screw to perfect zero like you can with the LaRue throw lever. I would also say that the LaRue is a more precision made mount than the Armalite and that they use better materials all around. Will the Armalite do the job, yes it will. Is the Armalite to the same standard as the LaRue Tactical M4 Scope mount? NO..... C4 |
The above is sound theory. Well now I'm curious, is the LaRue something other than CNC'ed aluminum? Height looks low to work in line with a FSB....side of the mount claims 1.50", is that right??? That would put the reticle line and the bottom half of the scope right at about the same height as the FSB. Might zoom out, might leave a huge blob in the sight picture.....with 1.4" Badger rings it leaves a blob above 2x. Not quite my experience with the Armalite mount, as noted, but I can see where the theory should hold up. I'm sure the LaRue mount is nice, the BUIS you lent out to Marc was sweet.......@ $195 it better be able to make me breakfast too. 
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Sorry it took so long for me to get back to this thread... Anyway, the reason I asked for clarification is that when I saw "ART" I was thinking of the Leatherwood scope that uses the cam's action against the base to make it's trajectory adjustments for range. In the case of the pictured scope, however, the others pretty much have it covered. |
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THE AXIS OF THE IRON SIGHTS IS 1.4" ABOVE THE FLAT TOP. THE AXIS OF THE LARUE 30MM SCOPE MOUNT IS 1.50". THE AXIS OF THEIR 1" SCOPE MOUNT IS 1.41", REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE MOUNT SAYS ON THE SIDE. ANY SCOPE MOUNTED ANYWHERE NEAR THIS HEIGHT WILL HAVE SOME MINOR INTERFERENCE IN THE PICTURE FROM THE FRONT SIGHT TOWER. IT DOESN'T KEEP OUR MILITARY FROM ISSUING TRIJICON ACOGS FOR FLAT TOP M4'S AND M5'S, DOES IT? THIS IS BETTER THAN HAVING THE SCOPE SO HIGH THAT YOU LOOK OVER THE FRONT SIGHT TOWER, AS IS DONE WITH A CARRY HANDLE MOUNT. WE REFUSE TO SELL CARRY HANDLE SCOPE MOUNTS. THE ARMS #40 STD A2 IS 1.05" HIGH WHEN STOWED. THE ARMS #40 WITH THE SAWED OFF SMALL APERTURE IS 0.95" HIGH WHEN STOWED. NO CONVENTIONAL SCOPES IN A MOUNT LIKE THE LARUE OR ANY OTHER REASONABLE MOUNT HAVE AN OCULAR LENS SO SMALL IN DIAMETER O SO INCREDIBLY HIGH THAT THEY WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH THIS REAR SIGHT UNDER THE OCULAR LENS. IF YOU MOUNT THE SCOPE FORWARD OF THE REAR SIGHT, EYE RELIEF ISSUES IN ALL PROBABILITY WILL OCCUR. A SHORTER BUTTSTOCK CAN SOMETIMES SOLVE THIS. SO MAY A TROY, KAC, OR ARMS #40-L REAR SIGHT, ALL OF WHICH SIT LOWER. WES GRANT MSTN.BIZ |
| Wow didn't know you would get all worked up about it. As Grant stated the throw levers are not the only thing. And the LaRue throw levers or speed levers as he calls them are some what magical. Show me another scope mount that lets you adjust the tension of the throw lever. |
I've seen the military guys with zip ties holding on lasers and flashlights......sometimes the military doctrine does not make it the best solution. In my experience, the view through a scope over 2x is obstructed unsatifactorily with a FSB in line with rings or mounts at, around, or near, 1.25-1.45".... If the GI's like it, more power to them. 
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Mechanically speaking, the throw levers only make it "quicker", not more repeatable that screw-tighting mounts like the Armalite. The "jaw" that is fixed remains in the same place, and locates on the same plane on the flat-top that it was removed from, be it a Leupold QRW, Armalite, LaRue or A.R.M.S.... The LaRue can be called "NEAT", "COOL", "QUICK", " TRICK", but not really more "ACCURATE"..... IMHO, of course! 
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You cannot tighten a screw down the same way every single time (without a lot of effort and attention to detail). I guess if you carried a torque wrench with a set poundage then you could get really close to repeat zero. The throw levers always go back on the same way and lock onto the rail with the same amount of force... C4 |
I think what is "magical" about the LaRue throw levers is the fact that they are adjustable. As we know, a lot of companies idea about what the 1913 spec is differs greatly. I have an old RRA upper and put the LaRue Aimpoint mount in it. I thightened the throw lever down. I then took that mount off and put it on my LMT upper. It was so far off that I couldn't even throw the lever! If I had wanted to use an ARMS #22M68 on my RRA upper, I would have been SOL! So to me, the LaRue adjustable throw lever has NO equal.... C4 |
I believe that I could demonstrate where, in theory, this is true, but in application it "just works". 4" contact surface on a spec rail means that one entire 4" surface of the screw/clamp mount is in the EXACT same spot as it was before removal. The tension of the screws only allows it to remain in place, but is not responsible for the "location" of the mount. Assuming enough force to keep it in place, i.e. tight enough to not rattle loose.......no matter if 35 in/lbs or 65 in/lbs that one 4" surface will repeat each and every time. I've done it. I've seen other shooters do it. It is NOT QD like the LaRue. It's not even as pretty as the LaRue. It IS repeatable and it IS durable. If the LaRue has axis dimension that Wes listed above, the LaRue trumps the Armalite for THAT reason alone. When using the Armalite mount I feel like I am crunching over and molding myself to the rifle, when I use proper height Badger rings at 1.4" it feels a WORLD better. Again, LaRue makes an obviously quality product, that is NOT the contention here at all...I was simply offering a lower cost unit that would provide similar results. |
Here's a picture of the 1" LaRue mount over a GG&G MAD sight. It obvious a low profile rear sight is needed as Wes pointed out. 
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I respect your opinion and am sure that if you say that you have gotten repeat zero out of a thumb screw mount, then I belive you. I personally HAVE never gotten 100% repeat zero with any kind of hex screw, thumb screw or anything else where the tension varied. I have gotten them pretty close with hash marks (to say within a half MOA @ 100yds). I know that your not not putting down the LaRue M4 scope mount and are just offering ladyrt007 a cheaper alternative.... C4 |
Are the BUIS's out yet with black accent metal???
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Yes they are. I have them in stock now! C4 www.gandrtactical.com |
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