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Posted: 6/25/2004 2:37:35 PM EDT
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As many of you know I am building a carbine soon and have now decided on EVERYTHING exept the optic.I've narrowed it down to two. 1.EOTech 552 2.Trijicon TA31F ACOG I have limited money but want to be able to reach out to 30+ yards(I only shoot at human silohuetes[sorry for that crappy spelling])I could pay 400$ more and be happpy but it is difficult for me to justify a 900$ optic for one rifle.I kicked Aimpoint out of the picture cause I dont want to buy a mount. Thanks,Tyler |
Well,no matter what I'm using I shoot with both eyes open so that is non issue.I looked through a EOTech on a Wooded rifle thing(you know,basically just a stock that lets you mount scopes) and LOVED it.I thought,I need one of these for my carbine build!!But then I saw the TA31F and said,I need one of these!!!Oh,wait,can I afford that?And nobody friggin say "Get Both " cause I cant .I figure that when my project is done,it will be around 2000$(with a EOTech).if I get a TA31F it'll be like 2400$.Come on,anyone else ever had this dilema?Thanks,Tyler |
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You need to better focus on what you're shooting so that your sights will come into better focus. Hitting a person at 30 yards can be done all day long with iron sights with great ease. A red dot will improve your speed and ablity to hit things in lesser light. Low powered telescopic sights improve longer range shooting with the sacrafice of close in performance. Discounting a military issue sight because it offers you the ability to choose different sights is silly. There are fine mounts for the Comp M2 available. |
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I just bought my FIRST ACOG. It is a TA31 and I am nothing but impressed with the doughnut retical. I did a lot of research on ACOG's and I also was into the TA31F but it is not as good as the TA31, but that is a another whole debate. When I bought my ACOG it was at the local gun shop, well one 70 miles away from my home, because they had the only ACOG for sale in the state of Nebraska. What I am getting at is ACOG's are not easy to find, their is going to be a wait. As well if funds are limited it is not something to be throwing a grand down on. It definatly hurt to see 20 50$ bills hit that table. But it was nice when he handed me that case that said Trijicon. My buddie has an aimpoint and we both shoot 400 meter targets, so do not think that a red dot can not do the long range stuff. It is also very awesome with the short stuff. I have never used a EO tech but from hearsay and research they do not seem to stand up to aimpoint. For the mount idea, if you want to spend a 1000$ on a ACOG what is 100$ on a mount for an aimpoint. Can ya track with me. Buy and AIMPOINT is what I am getting at. I also think if you are going to narrow your optic selection down, you need to start with magnified or non magnified. And then start looking into products, because each has a different purpose, and price range. -Matt |
| I always like it whenever someone says they like the EOTech better and the Aimpoint lovers tell them they are wrong. Or something to that effect. Sorry, I'm in a rotten mood, but I get tired of this debate. If someone likes the function of the EOTech better and it works better and faster for them than an Aimpoint, what's the problem? The EOTech is a military issue optic as well, if that's of any concern to anyone. Every user is different. For some the EOTech will work better, for other the Aimpoint will work better. The fact is, there is a choice. The more choices, the better for each individual user. I wish tere were more serious choices. So far, Aimpoint and EOTech seem to be the opnly ones who have stepped up to the plate to develop advanced and rugged optics for military work, other than Trijicon of course. Hopefully, more will come inthe near future. The Aimpoint fans seem to want there to be a lack of choices and innovation just so their favortie optic can reign supreme forever. The EOTechis here. It's been around for awhile and will continue to be. It has proven itself enough to be considered and adopted by the US Aemy and for the SOPMOD II optics package. It is a great sight and will probably continue to get better. I think it stands head to head with the Aimpoint on its own strengths. Neither is perfect, but both are great in thier own unique ways. There's room for both and there's room for more. To limit someone' else's choices just because you prefer one over the other is, quite simply, wrong. |
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YOU DON'T WANT TO BUY A MOUNT? THEN THE EOTHING IS PERFECT FOR YOU. IT DOESN'T HAVE ONE. WHEN THE TWO FLIMSY SCREWS SECURING THE EOTHING TO YOUR UPPER RECEIVER GIVE UP, YOU'LL WISH YOU'D BOUGHT SOMETHING WITH A DEDICATED MIL-STD 1913 MOUNT. THE EOTECH IS I WILL ADMIT JUST FINE UNTIL THEN, OR THE BATTERIES DIE, THE SECOND BEST CCO AVAILABLE. WES |
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Well,since everyone is suddenly bashng my decision to get an EOTech over Aimpoint just cause I don't want to buy a mount...well,I'm still not getting one.I know there are many fine Aimpoint mounts.BUT I DON"T WANT TO GET WHAT I DONT NEED.EOTech has a built in mount.And what exactly makes the mount weak?The screws?Then how come mostly everyone on here is fine with the EOTech on their reciever without the LaRue mount.I don't want a mount cause I can use that money to get a BUIS.Its that simple.I didn't want to turn this into EOTech v.s. Aimpoint debat but I guess everybody else did.I asked this question cause I thought you guys might be able to help me.The only optic experience I have for ARs is the HoloSight I looked through,and my dads Burris he puts on my rifle once and a while.Sorry if this sounds offensive.Its not meant to be.Thank you to the people who actually helped answer my question.I decided to get a EOTech 552F. Thanks,Tyler |
You'll have to explain THAT one to me. I've never heard that rationale before. Everything you put on your rifle has a mount - everything, even the front sight. The mounts are how the parts are assembled. Your choice, as I see it, is between a magnified and a non-magnified optic. The mount borders on the irrelevant (IMO). It's a necessary item, for sure, but should not in any way drive the decision. Now, if what you are saying is that you don't want the higher priced Aimpoint (optic $ + mount$) get the EOTech. I think non-magnified, red dot optics make a better general purpose gun sight than a scope. Just my opinion.
(I assume you meant to type 300+ m, is that correct?) What I'm reading here is a conflict between budget and desire. The EOTech really excels, really shines close up. They are super fast close in. At 300+ m the magnified Trijicon optic really shines. If you never need to shoot super fast and close up, get a magnified optic. If you really want but can't afford an ACOG, either get out a credit card or save up until you can afford it. They are not available right now, anyway, so if you really want an ACOG, you have time save up. Don't goof around. Buy what yoiu really want - both. Buy the EOTech now, they're available. Save up for the ACOG and buy it when it's available. |
| With my first post I was trying to get people to back off of the argument and maybe, just maybe get someone to see past their Aimpoint fixation and realize there is at least one other choice out there. I should have learned by now that such efforts are futile. I am glad the guys at EOTech aren't prone to listening to such closed-mindedness. Otheerwise there wouldn't have been so many improvements made to the design to satisfy the real world end users. There probably wouldn't be an EOTech at all if they thought innovation wasn't welcomed or desired. At the very most, we would have been stuck with the Bushnell Holosight relegated to gun games and range shooters. Fortunately, there are innovators at EOTech and real world operators with the foresight to see the advantages of a new and advanced system such as this. If Tyler wants to benefit from these innovations and improvements brought about by input from real world operators, why is it such an affront to the Aimpoint fans? Why is it so hard to grasp that the EOTech is a good and sturdy system? Why is it so hard to comprehend that the EOTech works a lot better for a lot of people than the Aimpoint? Both systems are good and both have their strengths and weaknesses. It's about choice and the ability to suit the individual needs of the individual operator/user as welll as different missions/condidtions. What's so hard to understand? Would you rather there not be a choice and relegate others to using what you think they should use even if it doesn't work as well for them or suit their needs? |
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Choromoly Heavy barrels are fine for the average user, so they say. I guess along the same lines as that an eotech is fine for the average user. I think that price is no object when you are buying a AR. You better buy the best and what you think is the best and not skimp becuase you will REGRET it later. If you don't want to buy a mount becuase you can buy a BUIS, and you are spending 2000$ on the build.... Just look at how much you are spending and quit thinking you are going to save money. BUY THE BEST AND DON'T BE CHEEP! -Matt |
  If you've already made up your mind and you know everything then why bother asking? There are people here with knowledge and expeirence who were trying to give you some good advice. Your reasoning led us to believe that you really needed more guidence. Someone posted that your reasoning was "silly", but he was just being kind.  |
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i would STRONGLY consider aimpoint... trust me... EOtang isn't a horrible optic... it looks great on paper... in practicle use... i don't know... the only thing about the eotech is the reticle STYLE... circle dot is the best reticle for these type of optics... but the aimpoint is still better and most people aren't having problems killing the enemy with a 4moa dot... trust some people who deal with all these optics on a dayly basis... Quote from Pat Rogers: "Two MD's who attended the 223 had asked me- on several occassions- what optic to get. Instead, they listened to the gun store guy who gave them a good price on the EOTechs. On Tuesday morning they both bought Aimpoints- what i suggested in the first place. But hey, why listen to me?" www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bin/tacticalubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=81;t=000121 as for the acog... i don't believe they are worth it for your purposes... i'm not horrible impressed with it in action and i believe its a 'best of both worlds optic' that isn't great at CQB nor long range... its one or the other in my boat... the aimpoint gets you out to 300meters and still allows for easy headshots at 100m... did i mention its FAST? dot-head/chest-boom ... no questions... it works, doesn't break... |
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About the TA31F,as many of you know,it comes with a mount.And thanks to Knightone on backing me up.BTW,I AM NOT GETTING AN AIMPOINT.Simple.I like EOTech.I've already decided.If my EOTech breaks down THEN and only then will I concider getting and Aimpoint.But I dont think my EOTech will break down,cause if its combat worthy,it's range worthy.And I already decided on EOTech and only if you can PROVE that EOTech isn't as good as Aimpoint will I even listen to your arguments.Again,none of my posts are meant to be offensive.I know about the product cause i research before I buy.Sorry if I disapointed some Aimpoint worshipors with my desicion.But from what I have seen with my own eyes the EOTech will be better for me. Thanks,Tyler |
Tyler, Holy cow, I've never seen anyone go back and forth about every AR accessory! I think you you've got ARADD! BTW, I'm just giving you a hard time... Oh yeah, are you sure that you don't want to get the ACOG instead? 
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Wow, that EOTech broke in under 8 minutes while still sitting on a dealers shelf. Gotta be a record. OK, everybody relax this is only a joke. I'm kidding with you. Lighten up and see the humor.
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Buy the Aimpoint Comp C...it comes with a mount...now it's not the be all end all military style mount that you could buy, but it will work fine. I had one on one of my rifles for a while, and it would still be on there if I didn't feel the need to spend more money to upgrade to an ARMS mount. I have a bushnell Holosight and the Aimpoint...and they both work great for what they're designed to do. If you prefer the Eotech, then great, get one...but don't rule out the Aimpoint family, since you get one that comes with it's own mount. Have fun. |
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