AR Sponsor
Posted: 1/18/2004 8:32:13 AM EDT
|
Are they any good? Worth the Money? Do you think there is better for the money? Who is the original manufacturer? Thanks |
|
They're OK. Every owner I have known who owns one, has sold it -- or had to have it fixed --then sold it. This is only three guys, but 3 out of 3 is bad in this case. They are a bargain though, they look nice and optics seem decent for their price point. I stick with Leupolds, but am trying to convince myself that a US Optics USMC 10x is in my future. [:D] |
|
Hi Shivan. I own one, haven't sold it, and actually like it. But then I have a couple of dozen rifles with possibly a dozen of them scoped -- and the extra $3000 to $5000 for top-of-the-line scopes would mean a few less feet worth of ammo or a few less weapons in the safes. Some cars don't need $4000 wheels and tires on them, others do. Some weapons even with a $3000 US Optics scope won't shoot any better than a couple minutes of angle. Some people can't drive their car to the level of $4000 tires, others can. Some people lack the talents, skills and abilities to shoot up to the level of their weapons. Some people will never drive their cars to the level of $4000 wheels and tires, others do. Some people will never target shoot beyond 1500 to 1800 feet. Some people will put $4000 tires and wheels on a Cadilac Esclade that will never leave the pavement. Some people shoot targets, some shoot in combat. Accuracy for shooting targets off of a bench using hand rolled ammo customized for the rifle, careful distance and wind measurements allow for amazing accuracy -- takign five or ten minutes per shot. Some shoot animals in hunting or combat where if you're off by a bit it doesn't matter -- dead is dead. You don't have the ability to range the target -- you make a scientific wild ass guess and you dope the wind. Some people make enough money that $4000 on tires is the same to them as $400 is to me. I work for a living and have to spend my money carefully. Some people enjoy owning $4000 tires even if they can't drive to their level, the car isn't up to it, and they can't afford them. I'm a very practical, rational (and poor) person but understand that some people like to buy weapons and systems that they'll never come close to being able to shoot to the weapon systems level. Some people work for the government and have the tax payers buy them $4000 wheels and tires for their duty vehicals. If I'm spending someone elses unlimited money I might spend differently too. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=177208&w=searchPop[/url] [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=171377&w=searchPop[/url] [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=175021&w=searchPop[/url] [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=173532&w=searchPop[/url] [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=173218&w=searchPop[/url] [url]http://66.202.29.79/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=173218[/url] [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=5&t=170726[/url] [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=167317&w=myTopicPop[/url] I was going out this week to run tests of the Springfield Generation 1 scope against the Leupold VariX-III tactical using my Remington 700 at a couple hundred yards but the wife got sick. Resolution and brightness wise I don't see the difference side-by-side. The Springfield got dropped off the 31.5" high optics table onto a concrete floor and is doing just fine. I'm not willing to drop the Leupold as it was about $300 more than the SA scope [:)] |
|
Quoted: Hi Shivan. I own one, haven't sold it, and actually like it. But then I have a couple of dozen rifles with possibly a dozen of them scoped -- and the extra $3000 to $5000 for top-of-the-line scopes would mean a few less feet worth of ammo or a few less weapons in the safes. Some cars don't need $4000 wheels and tires on them, others do. Some weapons even with a $3000 US Optics scope won't shoot any better than a couple minutes of angle. Some people can't drive their car to the level of $4000 tires, others can. Some people lack the talents, skills and abilities to shoot up to the level of their weapons. Some people will never drive their cars to the level of $4000 wheels and tires, others do. Some people will never target shoot beyond 1500 to 1800 feet. Some people will put $4000 tires and wheels on a Cadilac Esclade that will never leave the pavement. Some people shoot targets, some shoot in combat. Accuracy for shooting targets off of a bench using hand rolled ammo customized for the rifle, careful distance and wind measurements allow for amazing accuracy -- takign five or ten minutes per shot. Some shoot animals in hunting or combat where if you're off by a bit it doesn't matter -- dead is dead. You don't have the ability to range the target -- you make a scientific wild ass guess and you dope the wind. Some people make enough money that $4000 on tires is the same to them as $400 is to me. I work for a living and have to spend my money carefully. Some people enjoy owning $4000 tires even if they can't drive to their level, the car isn't up to it, and they can't afford them. I'm a very practical, rational (and poor) person but understand that some people like to buy weapons and systems that they'll never come close to being able to shoot to the weapon systems level. Some people work for the government and have the tax payers buy them $4000 wheels and tires for their duty vehicals. If I'm spending someone elses unlimited money I might spend differently too. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=177208&w=searchPop[/url] [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=171377&w=searchPop[/url] [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=175021&w=searchPop[/url] [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=173532&w=searchPop[/url] [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=173218&w=searchPop[/url] I was going out this week to run tests of the Springfield Generation 1 scope against the Leupold VariX-III tactical using my Remington 700 at a couple hundred yards but the wife got sick. I don't know you personally, but know you to be VERY knowledgable....so I will count you as the 4th person I know to have one. So they are 3 out of 4 in my experience. I have shot a Savage 300WM at 300yds for a good range seesion. The Springfield Armory scope worked well...it was not nearly as bright or clear as a Tasco Super Sniper scope on the same day in the same conditions. Those two scopes are similar in price pointing....yet the Tasco was agreed to be the superior optically. Though both rigs shot VERY well and held zero through about 100rds each... I hear what you are saying about cost vs. benefit analysis.....I try to buy the best I can that makes sense. In this case, I buy Leupold M1LR and M3LR optics. I don't see a NEED for a $2500 USMC 10x from USO, but I [b]WANT[/b] one..... I have taken all my rifles in the field, for hunting, to date...except the custom bolt gun... What criteria will you test the two optics against one another?? Happy Sunday!! |
|
I'm going to mount both up on my .308 Remington 700 VS and do a tracking measurement and see if there's a difference in grouping at three or four hundred yards on five or so five shot groupings. I've already looked though each attempting to measure the resolution without spending $300 on a resolution chart. I was able to read very small writing with each at the width of my street. Brightness - impossible for the human eye to see as the iris is very quick to respond over a light ratio of a million to one - and we're trying to "see" a few percentage points at best -- this is where you need the optics equipment that runs bucks. I am surprised that none of the gun rags will invest the few thousand dollars to set up a real optics testing on the scopes and do side-by-side testing. We can guess why [rolleyes] The other end of the argument is does it really matter - does 2% better resolution, less chromatic aberration, abraviation (sp), vignetting, or light transmission mean any thing any where other than an optics lab. Now that I'm in a better pay grade the Leopold scopes don't hurt so bad but damn! |
AR Sponsor