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Posted: 4/16/2003 2:01:23 PM EDT
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Anyone used these or have an opionion on them. They look to good to be true from the advertising and they are pretty cheap. Thanks in advance. |
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As long as your requirements are low, most any scope will do. If all you want in a scope is to set it for one specific range and require that it hold zero fairly well, then these types of scopes will work for most folk. They are reasonably clear and probably sealed. Should your requirements extend to cover say something with more dependable expectations, like: 1. Durability, rain/shine/sleet/snow, I want my scope to be bullet-proof. 2. Clarity, I want that extra 30 minutes in the morning and at dusk, and I want it to be guaranteed to stay that way for it's entire life. 3. Solid, being rock solid at any point along it's elevation travel, dead on the money no matter the range and having the ability to hold zero permanently, (given the occasional falling out of tree, train wreck of other act of god). 4. Precise, 100% repeatability no tracking errors at any time, again guaranteed. 5. Longevity, this item has a life and a quarantee such that I will never have to buy another or need to replace it 'cus it wore out. When viewed w/ these types of requiremints suspect the 30 dollar BEC I put on my twin boys, 22s would come up dreadfully short and are worth no more than their cheap cost to begin with. Leupold is the only name I trust, but then I expect my scopes to become my sons someday, and there's the lesson. Nothing beats quality, whether it's the most expensive/best tires for my scooter, (which my life rests on everyday) or the scope for a particular rifle, quality lasts, quality instills confidence, quality is a very worthy goal in my book, I'll take a lifetimes of it, please.....YMMV Mike PS - don't forget ya can spend 60-90 here for this one, 200-300 there for that one, but precision costs, save your bucks, if ya want to have pride in your scoped rifle, the scope is important, buy one you'll be proud to own for the rest of your life, see if ya don't feel better about yourself.......all depends on what your willing to settle for. |
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Quoted: As long as your requirements are low, most any scope will do. If all you want in a scope is to set it for one specific range and require that it hold zero fairly well, then these types of scopes will work for most folk. They are reasonably clear and probably sealed. Should your requirements extend to cover say something with more dependable expectations, like: 1. Durability, rain/shine/sleet/snow, I want my scope to be bullet-proof. 2. Clarity, I want that extra 30 minutes in the morning and at dusk, and I want it to be guaranteed to stay that way for it's entire life. 3. Solid, being rock solid at any point along it's elevation travel, dead on the money no matter the range and having the ability to hold zero permanently, (given the occasional falling out of tree, train wreck of other act of god). 4. Precise, 100% repeatability no tracking errors at any time, again guaranteed. 5. Longevity, this item has a life and a quarantee such that I will never have to buy another or need to replace it 'cus it wore out. When viewed w/ these types of requiremints suspect the 30 dollar BEC I put on my twin boys, 22s would come up dreadfully short and are worth no more than their cheap cost to begin with. Leupold is the only name I trust, but then I expect my scopes to become my sons someday, and there's the lesson. Nothing beats quality, whether it's the most expensive/best tires for my scooter, (which my life rests on everyday) or the scope for a particular rifle, quality lasts, quality instills confidence, quality is a very worthy goal in my book, I'll take a lifetimes of it, please.....YMMV Mike PS - don't forget ya can spend 60-90 here for this one, 200-300 there for that one, but precision costs, save your bucks, if ya want to have pride in your scoped rifle, the scope is important, buy one you'll be proud to own for the rest of your life, see if ya don't feel better about yourself.......all depends on what your willing to settle for. Mike: You have answered some of my questions also. So, can you (or anyone else) recommend a specific model that would be a good combination on a Bushmaster flat top with a 20" barrel? I'd like to stay in the $200-300 range without rings or base. Thanks, WF~~~~~ |
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Leupold's 3x9 40mm VX-II with Duplex reticle runs about $260, and is a TON better than a cheapie like the BEC. The same scope with target turrets and Mil-Dot reticle (the "tactical" model) is up to $450 or so, but you probably don't need that on an AR15. I strongly recommend the Armalite one-piece mount for this (or any other conventional) scope. -Troy |
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Woodenfrog, Troy has given ya a perfect compromise when your budget limits your purchasing power, the mount he listed is a fine choice too, Colt makes a similar mount of equal quality for mounting to your flat-top, both place the scope at the proper height. Should your AR choice run to the varmint/longer 24" versions and a desire to stretch the limits of the 223/5.56 caliber, then I'd step up to the Vari-X III models, as their ranging precision is legendary and then for those whose budget knows no bounds, the Mark 4 models are the standard by which all are measured. I'm not really up on the newer model numbers and lighted recticle versions, but I do trust the Leupold name and can feel confident in stating that the cheapest Leupold is a better value than almost any other brand. Mike PS- I know this sounds like a Leupold advertisement, but the fact is [b]most[/b] of the finest long range shooters in the US use Leupolds, the majority of snipers in the current military find their rifles, whether SPRs or bolt rifles ranging from 308 to 50 cal., topped with a Leupod scope, there has to be a reason, think about it. |
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Thanks guys, the Leupold sounds like a good choice. Now, I've got another question. I have only one AR right now. I'd like to be able to change back and forth between my Aimpoint red dot and my scope at times. On my Aimpoint, I have the ARMS lever throw mount, which allows me to take the red dot off and put it back on and retain the zero relatively close. Would the Armalite one piece mount allow for removal and putting back on and keep it's zero? Or would there be a better mount for that purpose. Thanks again, WF~~~~~ |
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Quoted: Would the Armalite one piece mount allow for removal and putting back on and keep it's zero? Or would there be a better mount for that purpose. ~~~~~ Yes, the Armalite would work as well as any QR mount can - very well. You could go w/ARMS QR rings, but the ARmalite 1 piece works better - it takes the stress off the scope tube and it allows you to mount it further forward than rings alone would allow. |
| I'm waiting for the return packing slip for the BEC I just purchased. What CRAP! I wouldn't let my dog use it for a chew toy. Thought I would buy a cheapie until I could sneak an ACOG by the wife. If you sent me a BEC for FREE, I keep it, so when I ran out of ammo, I would have something to throw at you. I'll stick w/my irons until I get my ACOG. (Thanks for the help Chen Lee) |
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Quoted: Would the Armalite one piece mount allow for removal and putting back on and keep it's zero? Or would there be a better mount for that purpose. That's one of the best features of the Armalite mount, and one you won't find anywhere else: the integral recoil lug, which also assures that the mount will rezero after being removed: [img]photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=10943[/img] (Pic courtesy of UglyGun & his camo rifle.) -Troy |
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