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Posted: 1/18/2019 8:06:40 PM EDT
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PSA has M2s on sale for just under $8.00 each . Free shipping on 10. I may have picked up some...  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Really can't go wrong either way. I may have picked up some... |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 8:48:06 PM EDT
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Well I took the Okay mags to shoot today. They did great. I didnt run hundreds of rounds through them so I'm not saying they couldn't fail, but my concern of being tough to feed off rounds with fingers didnt matter. Bist standard and the new style were great. I don't own a FA but I shit some as quick as I could. No issues. I still like my M3 Pmags but these are great too.
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Posted: 1/18/2019 9:40:34 PM EDT
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Well I took the Okay mags to shoot today. They did great. I didnt run hundreds of rounds through them so I'm not saying they couldn't fail, but my concern of being tough to feed off rounds with fingers didnt matter. Bist standard and the new style were great. I don't own a FA but I shit some as quick as I could. No issues. I still like my M3 Pmags but these are great too. |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 10:50:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The inside of the of feed lips tend to get a bit smoother as you use the mags, but with a strong spring it usually is hard to get round #30 off Because of the modified feed lips, there is less force required to strip the 30th round. |
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Posted: 1/19/2019 12:15:41 AM EDT
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This doesn't seem to be the case with the E2. Because of the modified feed lips, there is less force required to strip the 30th round. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The inside of the of feed lips tend to get a bit smoother as you use the mags, but with a strong spring it usually is hard to get round #30 off Because of the modified feed lips, there is less force required to strip the 30th round. 
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Posted: 1/19/2019 1:20:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This doesn't seem to be the case with the E2. Because of the modified feed lips, there is less force required to strip the 30th round. |
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Posted: 1/19/2019 11:54:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I noticed it to be a little easier in the E2 but still much harder than a PMAG. "Slick" is the right word for the PMags. It's just stiff pushing the okay. But the bolt has no trouble so I guess it's ok. PMags do load much easier and unload somewhat easier than Aluminum Mags. |
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Posted: 1/19/2019 2:34:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is true. PMags do load much easier and unload somewhat easier than Aluminum Mags. Both are easy to load. |
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Posted: 1/19/2019 2:41:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't own a mag that's not a Pmag Gen M3 and won't until something better comes along. And a old school g.i. mag ain't gonna be the something better. |
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Posted: 1/19/2019 4:16:03 PM EDT
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It’s here, the company name is Lancer Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I don't own a mag that's not a Pmag Gen M3 and won't until something better comes along. And a old school g.i. mag ain't gonna be the something better. 
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Posted: 1/19/2019 4:19:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's some funny shit right there. |
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Posted: 1/19/2019 4:38:32 PM EDT
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Defense Review reported this recently in regards to the Lancers. Got my attention, curious as to the details:
"Speaking with one SOF unit team member, I was surprised to hear they were having issues with Lancer magazines not working well in dirty and dusty conditions. If you’ve read all three previous articles, you might have noticed my high praise for Lancer L5 Advanced Warfighter Magazines (5.56mm NATO). I used the same batch on all three Afghan deployments, over four-years. I can only surmise that Lancer Systemsmust have changed something with their mags, or perhaps they got a batch of poor-quality-controlled ones. I originally received mine when the L5 AWM mag first came out, back in 2008ish. I’ve never had a problem with them, and still trust them to this day. Editor’s Note: DefenseReview (DR) will try to get in touch with Lancer Systems to get more information about this (anecdotal) problem with the most recent L5 AWM 5.56mm AR mags." |
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Posted: 1/19/2019 4:54:08 PM EDT
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I have used a lot of different mags and one thing I can say from my own personal experience is that I have not met a magazine that I would trust 100%, 100% of the time. That is why I train to quickly remedy a mag failure.
YMMV |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:02:55 AM EDT
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drw1006, well said. I think sometimes we get caught up discussing mag brands and need to remember that they are disposable and usually the weak point of any rifle.
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What's your experience with Lancer mags? |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 10:17:14 AM EDT
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What's your experience with Lancer mags? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That's some funny shit right there. The only mags I'll use are Pmags, Tango Down, G.I. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:27:11 PM EDT
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My experience. I like both USGI and PMAG.
The Colt engineers , when asked to design a 30 rd mag, did just that... and did not engineer enough room to allow the 30 rds with spring and follower to compress a bit, making it easier to insert a full mag into a closed bolt M16. Which is why lots of dudes down loaded by 2. Magpul has the luxury of not starting from scratch and was able to incorporate lots of learnings into their mags. I still down load my GI mags by 2. The nice thing about PMAGS is the feed lips crack, giving you a visual indicator that there is a problem.. USGI aluminum, just spread over time, causing malfunctions. I number all my mags so I can track problems. The number one lesson I have learned, and Uncle Sugar taught me this. Don't fall in love with your magazines... they are an expendable item....Saw too many milk crates in Arms rooms filled with GI mags, with the word "BAD" written on them in Sharpie.. and come range qualification, the Arms rooms folks are handing them out..... No reason any more. Mags are cheap and plentiful.... If I mag gives me troubles, it gets trashed. That simple. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 12:51:09 PM EDT
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Yep.
And sometimes the lips don't spread but they flop out when rhe round stack hits 'em and cause intermittent FTFeeds. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 1:15:48 PM EDT
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USGI 30 rd mags do have extra room for locking up under a closed bolt. So much room that you can actually load 31 rounds, overloading it and then having no extra room for compression.
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Posted: 1/20/2019 2:50:31 PM EDT
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USGI 30 rd mags do have extra room for locking up under a closed bolt. So much room that you can actually load 31 rounds, overloading it and then having no extra room for compression. CD I don't download any of my mags, I just make sure that they are actually only loaded to their intended capacity. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 8:28:10 PM EDT
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USGI 30 rd mags do have extra room for locking up under a closed bolt. So much room that you can actually load 31 rounds, overloading it and then having no extra room for compression. CD I can't fit 31 rounds in any aluminum mag I own. Maybe I could, but I never tried because I'd really have to force it in. PMags do give a little extra room for locking up under a closed bolt. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 8:33:24 PM EDT
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My experience. I like both USGI and PMAG. The Colt engineers , when asked to design a 30 rd mag, did just that... and did not engineer enough room to allow the 30 rds with spring and follower to compress a bit, making it easier to insert a full mag into a closed bolt M16. Which is why lots of dudes down loaded by 2. Magpul has the luxury of not starting from scratch and was able to incorporate lots of learnings into their mags. I still down load my GI mags by 2. . |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 8:47:07 PM EDT
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Here is an Adventure line USGI mag with 30 rds
Here it is trying to stuff a 31st rd.. nogo  A Gen 2 PMAG with 30 rds 
and here it is with the 31st rd in it 
A side by side length comparison 
The US GI mag has less room, if you're getting 31 in them, there is something wrong. As with all things GI, sometimes they don't evolve as quickly as they should. As I had mentioned, the Engineers at Colt were asked to make a 30 rd as a reaction to facing AK's in VietNam. So they did, but as usual, Engineers and end users don't always work together. Which is why the habit of down loading came to fruition. Magpul knew this and engineered space into them to make it easier to load a mag on a closed bolt. Look at US GI mags... up until the change in Green follower, which was to solve a specific problem , now changes have been made to it. Why? Because DoD always considered the magazine a disposable item, but unfortunately, the Big Green Machine never got that memo, and magazines were treated like NVG's... Then after Magpul shows up on the scene and actually does some product improvement, what doe the Army do? copy there follower design. yeah Army... Then M855A1 comes along and forces them to redesign it again to solve a problem. See a trend? The Army will only Product improve when they have to.... |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 9:22:41 PM EDT
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It seems that way.
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Posted: 1/23/2019 9:23:17 AM EDT
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I don't know why people think aluminum feed lips won't creep. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 7:18:01 PM EDT
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Im with the OP in having nothing but PMags. but now that i have matured somewhat i now know that USGI mags are slightly more versatile. PMags don't work in all guns and don't drop free in all guns either. Grab a USGI mag and it will work in any gun there was problems with PMags in. And they all drop free. I want to order a pack of 10 Okay surefeed mags when i get the chance but to many other items on the wish list right now....
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Posted: 1/24/2019 1:53:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit dude, I think this entire site knows the hardon you have for Okay mags. It's not like we have a choice but to know your opinion. I hope someday soon they make a fleshlight so you can satisfy that love for them. Give it a rest already  |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 7:14:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's really just correcting a misnomer. D&H works, sure..go ahead...use it. I live in a free world and also choose the proven product that is Okay. That's why they cost $2-3 more. |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 11:08:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: D@H works fine They supply mags to foreign militaries. That said, OKAY seems to pay slightly more attention to detail and more rigourously tests their mags. That's why they cost $2-3 more. |
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Posted: 1/25/2019 3:22:24 AM EDT
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In what time frame are people seeing cracked feed lips with older (loaded) PMags?
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Posted: 1/25/2019 1:55:36 PM EDT
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In what time frame are people seeing cracked feed lips with older (loaded) PMags? |
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Posted: 1/25/2019 2:35:01 PM EDT
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I've got 11 and 12 year old pmags with none having cracked feed lips. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In what time frame are people seeing cracked feed lips with older (loaded) PMags? I had 2 gen 1s crack on the rear portion of the feedlips/ upper spine area. I still have 10 gen 1s that are fine; so far. For most of the time I had them , they were not stored in a climate controlled area. |
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Posted: 1/25/2019 2:39:45 PM EDT
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Probably depends on how they are stored I had 2 gen 1s crack on the rear portion of the feedlips/ upper spine area. I still have 10 gen 1s that are fine; so far. For most of the time I had them , they were not stored in a climate controlled area. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In what time frame are people seeing cracked feed lips with older (loaded) PMags? I had 2 gen 1s crack on the rear portion of the feedlips/ upper spine area. I still have 10 gen 1s that are fine; so far. For most of the time I had them , they were not stored in a climate controlled area. |
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Posted: 1/25/2019 3:06:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2 out of ____? I have around 20 made in '07/'08 - 0 cracked feed lips I owned 12 and have 10 left. |
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Posted: 1/25/2019 3:40:07 PM EDT
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Okay. I have new and used that are 100%
Center Industries. Still have about 40 in new and used condition. No issues Parsons. Used and abused and still flawless D&H. No issues C Products. No issues Magpul. No issues |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 2:34:53 AM EDT
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D@H works fine They supply mags to foreign militaries. That said, OKAY seems to pay slightly more attention to detail and more rigourously tests their mags. Apologies for the fuzzy photos - it was hard to focus on the gray magazine bodies in my poor kitchen lighting. Here's a '12 production D&H (Noveske branded) on the top with a '11 production Okay below. Note the ripples in the D&H spine where it's pinched in at the weld spots, while the Okay has a smooth spine with no gap showing. The Okay seams actually appear to be sealed somehow - not sure if that’s an effect of the dry lube finish:  Attached FileTop of the rear and front spine seams. Note that this expensive Noveske-branded mag came with an older green follower, and the spring seems lower quality also (I'm no expert on spring materials, but it's kind of chalky in appearance). I know PSA mags come with Magpul followers. I bought a few Noveske mags when I was ordering some other things from their website because I was curious who they were made by. They turned out to have the D&H cage code on the body with the Noveske cage code on the floor plate (for double the price of the PSA version):  Attached File Attached FileAgain, I don't really doubt that these D&H mags will hold up ok, but if I'm going to buy aluminum mags, I'm going to stick with the ones that seem to be better quality to me. That's just where I'd rather spend my money. |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 9:46:01 AM EDT
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Brownells and Center are about the same quality as the D&H.
Okay does make a pretty mag! They have not shown to be any more durable or reliable in any testing. |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 10:33:12 AM EDT
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Okay does make a pretty mag! They have not shown to be any more durable or reliable in any testing. According to the testing report, the tan follower USGI Mags came in a very close second to the PMags. ( And actually beating PMags on one test) I haven't owned my E2s long but I can already see that they load and unload significantly easier than regular Okays or D@H.( Although not as easy as PMags) |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 12:07:19 PM EDT
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I posted this photo comparison on another forum last year. I know others are fans of D&H mags and haven’t had any issues with them, but I personally don’t consider them “USGI” - more like “USGI style” - and would rather spend the extra few bucks for Okay mags. Apologies for the fuzzy photos - it was hard to focus on the gray magazine bodies in my poor kitchen lighting. Here's a '12 production D&H (Noveske branded) on the top with a '11 production Okay below. Note the ripples in the D&H spine where it's pinched in at the weld spots, while the Okay has a smooth spine with no gap showing. The Okay seams actually appear to be sealed somehow - not sure if that’s an effect of the dry lube finish: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/27888/2982FE82-84DF-4B18-B41E-03CE9A63F892_jpeg-821776.JPG Top of the rear and front spine seams. Note that this expensive Noveske-branded mag came with an older green follower, and the spring seems lower quality also (I'm no expert on spring materials, but it's kind of chalky in appearance). I know PSA mags come with Magpul followers. I bought a few Noveske mags when I was ordering some other things from their website because I was curious who they were made by. They turned out to have the D&H cage code on the body with the Noveske cage code on the floor plate (for double the price of the PSA version): https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/27888/649CDAE2-C465-4D56-A771-50ED5C8113DC_jpeg-821777.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/27888/DBA8003A-A030-47A7-8305-5FD3E14A1440_jpeg-821778.JPG Again, I don't really doubt that these D&H mags will hold up ok, but if I'm going to buy aluminum mags, I'm going to stick with the ones that seem to be better quality to me. That's just where I'd rather spend my money. This shows the glaring differences in quality and tolerances. The front and back of the D&H spine appears bowed out and not flush. Let alone even that green follower appears to have garbage plastic molding qualities. |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 1:20:20 PM EDT
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Here is an Adventure line USGI mag with 30 rds https://i.imgur.com/5BI7wsy.jpg Here it is trying to stuff a 31st rd.. nogo https://i.imgur.com/izdX2OQ.jpg A Gen 2 PMAG with 30 rds https://i.imgur.com/4GdUG7g.jpg and here it is with the 31st rd in it https://i.imgur.com/MBh7wrY.jpg A side by side length comparison https://i.imgur.com/OzpzF7T.jpg Then after Magpul shows up on the scene and actually does some product improvement, what doe the Army do? copy there follower design. yeah Army... ... |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 4:55:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: How did they copy magpul? The military released a temporary fix in the green followers before magpul existed. Then later came out with their final fix that was the tan follower which is non tilt due to the way the new spring design locks onto the follower to prevent it from tilting. The magpul follower appears to use the same spring as before and the army spring/follower combo is completely new. The original idea to fix the follower was the military’s and everything else is just an improvement to that idea. There are only so many ways you can improve on a 50 cent piece of plastic that performs a simple function. |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 5:08:24 PM EDT
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Anti tilt followers are not a new thing.
For example, the steel followers in old AK Steel Mags are anti tilt. |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 8:01:04 PM EDT
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My understanding is Magpul offered the non-tilt follower to Uncle sam, who rejected it, and then suddenly had there own. Unless you have some data that shows otherwise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: How did they copy magpul? The military released a temporary fix in the green followers before magpul existed. Then later came out with their final fix that was the tan follower which is non tilt due to the way the new spring design locks onto the follower to prevent it from tilting. The magpul follower appears to use the same spring as before and the army spring/follower combo is completely new. The original idea to fix the follower was the military’s and everything else is just an improvement to that idea. There are only so many ways you can improve on a 50 cent piece of plastic that performs a simple function. |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 9:14:17 AM EDT
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The name Brand, popular option mags seem to work for most everyone. We all have our particular choice ( mine are Lancers followed by most any of the aluminum, Surefeed and D&H) but without exception you want all of them to function flawless in your rifle.. I am lucky, mine will feed from any Quality mag. I have some 20's from Vietnam, one particular, that has no finish but the gold anodizing left on it. It got where it was unreliable so I put an X on it and set it over to the side. Then I ran across some new springs, changed it out and it's like new. So I changed all the springs in the 20's just to be safe (I leave all my mags loaded, always) and have now installed all the new followers in the 30's. My point is if you FA won't run on what ever you have or have to pick up to continue with the battle, do some fixing. Mine shoots what ever I stick in it and I'm 100% confident it will function for me
Strela, the springs in the 20's are a cheap investment (followers for the 30's are also). Never have too many mags or too much ammunition! |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 7:30:05 PM EDT
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My understanding is Magpul offered the non-tilt follower to Uncle sam, who rejected it, and then suddenly had there own. Unless you have some data that shows otherwise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: How did they copy magpul? The military released a temporary fix in the green followers before magpul existed. Then later came out with their final fix that was the tan follower which is non tilt due to the way the new spring design locks onto the follower to prevent it from tilting. The magpul follower appears to use the same spring as before and the army spring/follower combo is completely new. The original idea to fix the follower was the military’s and everything else is just an improvement to that idea. There are only so many ways you can improve on a 50 cent piece of plastic that performs a simple function. FYI, Magpul still uses the old outdated USGI style spring in their magazines. |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 7:38:58 PM EDT
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FYI, Magpul still uses the old outdated USGI style spring in their magazines. |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 7:42:42 PM EDT
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Magpul offered just a follower. The upgraded tan follower GI mags incorporated an entirely new follower and spring system, not just a follower upgrade. FYI, Magpul still uses the old outdated USGI style spring in their magazines. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: How did they copy magpul? The military released a temporary fix in the green followers before magpul existed. Then later came out with their final fix that was the tan follower which is non tilt due to the way the new spring design locks onto the follower to prevent it from tilting. The magpul follower appears to use the same spring as before and the army spring/follower combo is completely new. The original idea to fix the follower was the military’s and everything else is just an improvement to that idea. There are only so many ways you can improve on a 50 cent piece of plastic that performs a simple function. FYI, Magpul still uses the old outdated USGI style spring in their magazines. |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 8:47:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those dang 2016 models! Ancient! While they will last longer, IMO, the standard springs are more than adequate. |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 9:09:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what my last set of Okays did this summer. It got to where they would spit out a round every now and then when doing bolt open reload and would occasionally double feed. Set of mags was ~9 months old and ~1K rounds per mag. |
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Posted: 2/2/2019 10:59:55 PM EDT
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Stop slapping the magazine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That's what my last set of Okays did this summer. It got to where they would spit out a round every now and then when doing bolt open reload and would occasionally double feed. Set of mags was ~9 months old and ~1K rounds per mag. Those mags would puke on a push/pull reload. |
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Posted: 2/4/2019 10:17:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My understanding is Magpul offered the non-tilt follower to Uncle sam, who rejected it, and then suddenly had there own. Unless you have some data that shows otherwise. |
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