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Posted: 12/5/2009 1:16:14 PM EDT
| When were P-Mags released to the public. Just wondering if there are any pre-ban models floating around in California. |
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When were P-Mags released to the public. Just wondering if there are any pre-ban models floating around in California. Don't mean to burst your bubble but fuggetaboutit!I am an ex-californian and remember off the top of my head that the >10 rds. magazine ban went into effect on Jan. 1, 2000.Any >10 rds. mags that were possessed in the state by an individual were grandfathered in. And those mags could not be sold to anyone other than licensed dealers(IIRC there is a special Cal. DOJ "high capacity mag dealers permit"?) or law enforcement agencies.Basically if you were living in california at the time you had until Jan. 1, 2000 to acquire all the standard capacity mags you wanted for life.Because of this,if you moved to california after the ban date there is no legal way for a mere citizen to acquire standard capacity mags.I am pretty sure PMAGs didn't come out onto the market until this decade.IANAL YMMV.One of the many reasons that I got the fuck out the first chance I got.Miss the weather though. |
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what would preban mean? Made before the ban in 1993 I think it was. Would be legal in ban states such as NJ,CA There are NO pre-ban P-mags They are only a few years old. "pre-ban" means mags (or firearms) made on or before 9/13/94 They're "legal" in NY and (depending on the position of the moon and stars) MA Nothing over 15 rds is legal in NJ regardless of date of manufacture CA is unique. Preban are legal to posess if owned prior to their ban, and preban components can be repaired with new parts. No complete +10 mags can be imported to CA, but existing owners can repair and replace their mags. Pmags were introduced, IIRC, in 2007. The only pre-94 plastic/polymer AR mags are Orlites, Thermolds, and the Ramline/Eagle brittle plastic ones. |
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When were P-Mags released to the public. Just wondering if there are any pre-ban models floating around in California. California residents have been known to replace their worn out preban mag parts with Pmag components, giving the appearance of having a complete Pmag 
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It is completely legal to repair/replace every single part of your magazine, as long as you don't create a new magazine in the process. Magazine repair kits must be sent or brought in disassembled. This is why you see people running PMags. They completely repaired their worn-out USGI mags with PMag parts.
CADOJ Letter explaining this From the letter: "Q1: Can you import newly manufactured parts to repair a legally obtained hi-cap magacine? A1: Yes Q2: Are there any restrictions on which parts can and cannot be imported? A2: No Q3: Can you import all the parts of a single high-cap magazine at once, provided they are unassembled? A3: Yes" Quoted:
California residents have been known to replace their worn out preban mag parts with Pmag components, giving the appearance of having a complete Pmag
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It is completely legal to repair/replace every single part of your magazine, as long as you don't create a new magazine in the process. Magazine repair kits must be sent or brought in disassembled. This is why you see people running PMags. They completely repaired their worn-out USGI mags with PMag parts. Except that NO parts of the PMAG with the exception of the spring can be used in a USGI alloy mag. Guess it all depends on California's definition of 'repair'... While we do feel for those in the socialist states we still will not sell unassembled PMAGs to such locales. BTW The PMAG was introduced in January of 2007. |
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When were P-Mags released to the public. Just wondering if there are any pre-ban models floating around in California. California residents have been known to replace their worn out preban mag parts with Pmag components, giving the appearance of having a complete Pmag
Since the components won't fit (I believe) in any other type of mag I think any good prosecutor could blow this explanation to pieces. The letter does prove it is an unenforcable law. |
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When were P-Mags released to the public. Just wondering if there are any pre-ban models floating around in California. California residents have been known to replace their worn out preban mag parts with Pmag components, giving the appearance of having a complete Pmag
Since the components won't fit (I believe) in any other type of mag I think any good prosecutor could blow this explanation to pieces. The letter does prove it is an unenforcable law. The old advice was to crush and store the damaged body as proof that a (now replaced) pre-ban mag existed. The mag body is the naughty part. |
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