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Posted: 8/2/2009 3:11:55 PM EDT
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So i got issued a few mags for my M4 from my Infantry unit and i noticed one of them is heavier than the others and i looked closely and it was a H&K mag.
Are these any good? i was thinking about replacing the baseplate for a magpul ranger plate and a magpul follower but the follower seems to be metal and super durable. will it even fit? |
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I am not that big a fan of H&Ks, I had DRMO a whole bunch because they got dented and beyond that they were notorious for causing doubles in M4s.
If remember a while ago the army issued a safety of use message on them, because of too many failures to feed with them. |
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FYI- this is appx 30 days past . They no longer have a contract for the magazines.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Magazine Cartridge NSN 1005015205992 that for each requisition received for replenishments, there is a 'CA' fatal reject processed by the Item Manager. The message reads: FIELD PROBLEMS WERE IDENTIFIED WITH THE STEEL MAGAZINE(1005-01-520-5992). NO STEEL MAGAZINES WILL BE AVAILABLE UNTIL CORRECTIVE ACTION IS IMPLEMENTED & TESTED TO ASSURE PROPER OPERATION. REQUIREMENTS FOR 30 ROUND MAG CAN BE FILLED WITH THE ALUMINUM MAGAZINE NSN 1005-00-921-5004. |
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FYI- this is appx 30 days past . They no longer have a contract for the magazines. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Magazine Cartridge NSN 1005015205992 that for each requisition received for replenishments, there is a 'CA' fatal reject processed by the Item Manager. The message reads: FIELD PROBLEMS WERE IDENTIFIED WITH THE STEEL MAGAZINE(1005-01-520-5992). NO STEEL MAGAZINES WILL BE AVAILABLE UNTIL CORRECTIVE ACTION IS IMPLEMENTED & TESTED TO ASSURE PROPER OPERATION. REQUIREMENTS FOR 30 ROUND MAG CAN BE FILLED WITH THE ALUMINUM MAGAZINE NSN 1005-00-921-5004. DOH! Thank for the info.... maybe i'll run it through my M4 a few time before getting it replaced. |
| I haven't had any problem with my HK mags. The floorplates, springs and followers are not interchangeable with others...so, no Ranger Plates. I would use it and replace it when it starts giving you trouble. I have a mix of PMags, USGI and HK mags. I wouldn't stock up primarily on the HK mags because they don't shave commonality of spare parts. I have heard of reliability issues but haven't experienced any myself. If you go in harms way take equipment that you trust that you have personal experience with, not a new unproven gizmo. YMMV |
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here's another HK mag questions: Mine say LEO/.mil only. And the date on them says 10/94. Did they have HK mags dating that far back? I thought these things were more recent - past 5 yrsish That's just a variation of the LEO/Gov't warning. The actual date, IIRC, is a two letter code: A B C D E F G H I K 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A 2007 mag would be AH |
| I have been using them for several years, and never had issues with them, even the ones that were dented up from a RPG blast still work to this day. About half of the guys in my unit use them religiously, the other half using either the older ones or personal pmags. I have never seen any chronic problems with the HK mags and I am a instructor so I see more M4s being used than most people in every configuration imaginable.Also I found that the HK mags are much more reliable in the SAW than the standard mag. |
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I have been using them for several years, and never had issues with them, even the ones that were dented up from a RPG blast still work to this day. About half of the guys in my unit use them religiously, the other half using either the older ones or personal pmags. I have never seen any chronic problems with the HK mags and I am a instructor so I see more M4s being used than most people in every configuration imaginable.Also I found that the HK mags are much more reliable in the SAW than the standard mag. The problems with the HK magazines are WELL documented! The springs lose tension and the feed lips are not properly heat treated resulting eventually in the magazine allowing "double feeds". The problem was noticed by Pat Rogers quite awhile back, NOW the U.S. Military has stopped procurement of these "High Reliability" Magazines. PursuitSS |
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I have been using them for several years, and never had issues with them, even the ones that were dented up from a RPG blast still work to this day. About half of the guys in my unit use them religiously, the other half using either the older ones or personal pmags. I have never seen any chronic problems with the HK mags and I am a instructor so I see more M4s being used than most people in every configuration imaginable.Also I found that the HK mags are much more reliable in the SAW than the standard mag. The problems with the HK magazines are WELL documented! The springs lose tension and the feed lips are not properly heat treated resulting eventually in the magazine allowing "double feeds". The problem was noticed by Pat Rogers quite awhile back, NOW the U.S. Military has stopped procurement of these "High Reliability" Magazines. PursuitSS I am not disputing Mr Rogers or any formal study. I am speaking only from my experience and observations. To date I have not personally experienced or observed any of this, but be assured that if I do, I will not hesitate to discard my HK mags and go either exclusively to my magpul mags or the older ones. |
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