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12/2/2008 4:21:28 PM EDT
DPMS increased the price of their Magpul magazines by over $11.  I contacted Magpul and they were less than amused.  DPMS is no longer on the list of businesses I buy from.  They were $14.95 now $25.95.

http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=5084&cat=1507
12/2/2008 4:29:08 PM EDT
[#1]
welcome to the thing that makes our country great.... and sucks at the same time.  As soon as Magpul catches up on their orders.  I am sure average prices will go down.


12/2/2008 4:51:42 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
welcome to the thing that makes our country great.... and sucks at the same time.  As soon as Magpul catches up on their orders.  I am sure average prices will go down.





YUP!

If my Golden Retriever's turds cured cancer, you bet I would be selling them for a pretty penny even though I have a back yard full of them and more come out everyday.
12/2/2008 5:13:21 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Quoted:
welcome to the thing that makes our country great.... and sucks at the same time.  As soon as Magpul catches up on their orders.  I am sure average prices will go down.





YUP!

If my Golden Retriever's turds cured cancer, you bet I would be selling them for a pretty penny even though I have a back yard full of them and more come out everyday.




12/2/2008 5:26:27 PM EDT
[#4]
Cheaper than dirt to the rescue . . . they are charging a MERE 29.97 for their Pmags
Cheaper than dirt my butt
Even Brownell's went up.  $16.97 for the Black 30 rounders.  What stinks is that Magpul hasn't raised their prices, but our "brothers" here are trying to stick it to us. I hope the 30.00 Pmags rot on the shelf.  Bad thing is, they are too good of a product to do that
12/2/2008 5:42:37 PM EDT
[#5]
I ordered 10 mags on 11-14 and don't have them. I also have asked for updates with no luck. I understand the backlog but they could have responded back in the lasy 18 days. Many of the other swamped vendors still respond back. 44mag and Brownells have responded back with in 24 hrs.. DPMS will not get any further business from me and of course Cerberus will probably be liquidated as well.
12/2/2008 5:47:49 PM EDT
[#6]
Yep the vendors that don't jump on the gouging bandwagon will be the ones making out in the long run. Legal transfers is one that I believe has not gouged. LPK's are still the same price.
12/2/2008 5:55:37 PM EDT
[#7]
Brownells has not raised their dealer/mil/leo pricing.
12/2/2008 6:02:27 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Yep the vendors that don't jump on the gouging bandwagon will be the ones making out in the long run. Legal transfers is one that I believe has not gouged. LPK's are still the same price.


I agree with this.  Anyone that price gouges shooters during hard times, is a person I won't be doing business with...

12/2/2008 6:23:09 PM EDT
[#9]
In the past, I've always stood by DPMS... and to a point I do. My upper has been backordered for 6 months, and I will likely wait until I get it (I was just quoted at about 12-24 months with the upgrades I got).

But I do not like the way DPMS is handling themselves. Like I mentioned before, I recently had contact with them. Mainly, my question was just to make sure that my order is still going to be scheduled. I made sure to tell them that I was not looking for any type of timetable and that I was fine with the wait. I really asked because I set aside the $720 in my checking account so that whenever it ships, it will be there when they bill it. Now, $720 could do a lot... considering I'm having a M1903 rebuilt for $770+.

When I got their response, I was really on the edge of canceling my order, and finding a 16 inch upper on GunBroker (which, I may still do). I emailed DPMS once before (2-3 months back), and their reply was very hospitable and gave me the sense that they value me as a customer. This one, it gave me those unattached answers which I find right on the borderline of being rude... plus, didn't even answer the question I want (that my order is still being built/planned to be built). That may have been a one time thing, being canceled out by the other correspondence I had with them, but I’ve been seeing quite a few saying the similar stuff… and now seeing this, I’m not to supportive as I used to be.

I’ll be honest, I will go with a DPMS upper for my DPMS lower. But I do not know if I will be getting one that I want, or if I’ll find one close, and then upgrade it. I always valued a good product that I want over any amount of time, but how it is starting to be handled, I may go the other route just for the principle of it.
12/2/2008 8:29:18 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
DPMS increased the price of their Magpul magazines by over $11.  I contacted Magpul and they were less than amused.  DPMS is no longer on the list of businesses I buy from.  They were $14.95 now $25.95.

http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=5084&cat=1507


Two words... IMAGINE THAT.

I would be interested to hear their explanation for this.  Magpul says that their prices (and their bottom line) hasn't changed whatsoever.  That means...DPMS is doing this all by themselves...with no real reason based upon material shortages or manufacturing processes which could drive prices up.  It's simply nothing more than gouging...lest the "free market" people show up and call me a dumbass for calling these people out for exactly what they are.

12/2/2008 8:35:45 PM EDT
[#11]
If I ran a company selling items and people were pulling stuff off like CTD.  I would gouge the supplier to get my stuff.  The other dealers that don't get the original cost.  The product will still be sold out either way.
12/2/2008 8:36:23 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Two words... IMAGINE THAT.

I would be interested to hear their explanation for this.  Magpul says that their prices (and their bottom line) hasn't changed whatsoever.  That means...DPMS is doing this all by themselves...with no real reason based upon material shortages or manufacturing processes which could drive prices up.  It's simply nothing more than gouging...lest the "free market" people show up and call me a dumbass for calling these people out for exactly what they are.



If you are not "free market", then are you a socialist? Does Obama need to make this right so you can get the mags at the price you think they need to be at?

Until you own it, it is not your place to dictate who should sell for what. You have two options:

Relax and wait for the market to come back down.

Get it while the getting is good.



12/2/2008 9:18:18 PM EDT
[#13]


12/2/2008 9:19:24 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Two words... IMAGINE THAT.

I would be interested to hear their explanation for this.  Magpul says that their prices (and their bottom line) hasn't changed whatsoever.  That means...DPMS is doing this all by themselves...with no real reason based upon material shortages or manufacturing processes which could drive prices up.  It's simply nothing more than gouging...lest the "free market" people show up and call me a dumbass for calling these people out for exactly what they are.



If you are not "free market", then are you a socialist? Does Obama need to make this right so you can get the mags at the price you think they need to be at?

Until you own it, it is not your place to dictate who should sell for what. You have two options:

Relax and wait for the market to come back down.

Get it while the getting is good.





+1
12/3/2008 8:07:51 AM EDT
[#15]
Simple supply and demand. That's how business works. I bought a 10 pack of FDE pmags from them about 6 months ago for less than $130. Would it be fair if they came to me and said I screwed them?
12/3/2008 8:15:13 AM EDT
[#16]
This is no different than the gas companies gouging after 9/11, etc...only differerence is that our state's attorney general went after any gas company found to be gouging...I'm sitting back laughing at all the idiots paying a premium for this stuff right now...wait about six months and these mags will be back down to the normal price...
12/3/2008 11:39:42 AM EDT
[#17]
Just take a look at the EE board. DPMS is not alone. Vote with your wallet.
12/3/2008 11:53:17 AM EDT
[#18]
DPMS wishes to apologize for issues caused by the increase in price of the Magpul P-Mags on our website. Our initial intention was not to "gouge" our customers but rather, dissuade them form ordering P-Mags from DPMS. As you can tell from the above posts, there are many places still selling these extremely popular magazines for much less and it was our hope that our customers would simply move to those websites for their order. We currently have over 11,000 P-Mags on backorder and have placed an order with Magpul for over 20,000. That being said, for the time being DPMS has removed the Magpul P-Mag from our website until we receive enough to cover the current backlog. Once the backlog has been taken care of, DPMS will resume offering the P-Mag at a competitive price. We do not have an estimated time at which they will be made available.

Again we apologize for any issue this may have caused.


12/3/2008 12:59:58 PM EDT
[#19]
Thanks for the apology. But don't you think it would be easier to post on the website
"We are no longer accepting orders for Pmags" ?


Jacking the price up is a big turn-off.  I guess that is evident now.
12/3/2008 1:46:42 PM EDT
[#20]
I'm always amused by people who think it's price gouging.

It's call supply and demand.   Every business buys items and sells them at the price the market will pay FOR PROFIT, yet no one bitches about that, it's called capitalism and a free market.  If you don't like the prices, don't pay them.

Bottom line is if you were unwilling to prepare for what anyone with any common sense could see was coming long long before Nov. 4th then you do one of a few things.

Get on a backorder list, and hope they come in before anything political happens, or monitor the stores of those that don't accept backorders and catch them when they get a shipment.

Don't order anything and hope that in the next few months demand settles down and prices drop down the road, taking the chance that if a ban does come around you are going to pay a hell of a lot more for mags than anyone is selling them for right now.

Pay higher prices by those who did have the foresight to buy early and avoid the out of stock issue, and were smart enough to buy extra so they could make a buck from those that are unprepared.  Accept the extra price you are paying is simply the cost of your lack of preparation and quit bitching.

The same is true of any of the AR's.  Anyone who thinks they are safe by ordering an AR that's not going to be delivered for another 6-12 months is taking a chance.   If a ban goes through before it arrives you'll never see it.  If it doesn't you'll get one at a better price.  If you buy now you pay more, but you know you have one, again the price you pay for not being on the ball and buying one 3 months ago.

12/3/2008 1:59:13 PM EDT
[#21]
Magpul is being fair and NOT gouging. These other schmucks?  Double the price??  Total BS.  Remind me to never buy from you or DPMS.
12/3/2008 3:57:58 PM EDT
[#22]
Some of you guys crack me up, if you dont like the price just dont buy it.

I know this supposedly simple concept is a tough one to grasp sometimes but man its really easy.

If people want to pay elevated prices to make themselves feel secure in this so called panic situation, let them. If everyone else leaves it alone you wont see the price skyrocket.

Being unprepared for this situation is the cause of the prices. Much like the stock market being what it is. People sell off to fast and the price dives. People buy too fast and the price climbs.

Sure, its a scary thought that those gun grabbers are going to get their hands on our rights to what we want to buy. Its however very unlikely.

Like another poster said, you can all get on back order lists and wait it out. I have several in the fire and I can only hope that the parts show up before anything like bad mojo turned up but if it doesnt, who cares? My bolt gun is far more dangerous than any semi I have. If I need a semi that bad, Ill take it off a soldier when that day comes. Its far smarter for you to just plan out a well thought out stockpile than to have a stock pile of semi rifles and parts. Bullets are bullets and I dont want one well placed one coming at me anymore than 20 poorly placed ones.

The whole industry is thriving off of fear, sit back and relax. Things will pan out sooner or later.
12/3/2008 5:11:34 PM EDT
[#23]
As a bonus LArry from cproducts said if the price gouging companies their wai till for makgs will be 2-3 yearsl
12/3/2008 5:15:51 PM EDT
[#24]
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