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5/15/2008 12:17:35 PM EDT
Has anyone tried this combination or have an opinion about the advantages/disadvantages of this set-up?

Thanks.
5/15/2008 12:21:56 PM EDT
[#1]
Whats wrong with the Pmag spring in it now?
5/15/2008 1:07:15 PM EDT
[#2]
Nothing as far as I know, but I was curious if there would be any benefit to using the CMMG spring (stronger, more corrosion resistant with the ceramic coating, etc.).
5/15/2008 1:19:32 PM EDT
[#3]
Let's see, what is wrong with replacing a spring with another of a different length...

Think about it.
5/15/2008 1:25:04 PM EDT
[#4]
The CMMG braided spring (or any other UGSI spring) should workin the PMag. The CMMG spring will likely only allow the PMag to load 29 rounds (like in the USGI).
5/15/2008 5:38:49 PM EDT
[#5]
just tried it.

it will do 30 rounds, but the mag won't lock with the bolt closed and the mag cover does not work. it took a bit of effort to get the 30th round in, i don't recommend it.

although it may work, the CMMG spring will stay in my aluminum mags

everything seems to work fine with 29 rounds.
i will have to test fire this combo to be sure.

here is a picture with 29 rounds


5/16/2008 3:44:26 AM EDT
[#6]
Thank for the feedback.  Best to leave well enough alone - the PMAG is a great mag as is.
5/16/2008 12:57:08 PM EDT
[#7]
I've got a few that I cut two coils off and tossed in some PMAG's, No issues in a few hundred rounds.  

That said, the SS spring is a damn fine spring.  500 hr saltwater test, thumbs up, no corrosion whatsoever. CS spring was flakey moosh.  

Out of the ten's of thousands of rounds I've fired and seen fired by other Magpul employees I've yet to see one of our SS springs worn to the point of causing malf.  

One theory is that a weak spring will perform better in a PMAG than in a USGI or HK HR mag.  The reason is the feed lips have less resistance and friction on the brass casing than steel or aluminum.  That's why guys are reporting increased cyclic rates with the PMAG, less friction, faster and smoother feed.

Wow, my bad.  I'm ramblings.  It's your choice, if you want to put a CMMG spring in your PMAG, do it.  I've got some in mine just to see how they run and they run fine.  
5/17/2008 6:17:04 PM EDT
[#8]
Thats sooo true. I can unload rounds in my PMags with nothing but my thumb, they just pop right out. now my OKays, thats a whole diffrent story.

Quoted:
I've got a few that I cut two coils off and tossed in some PMAG's, No issues in a few hundred rounds.  

That said, the SS spring is a damn fine spring.  500 hr saltwater test, thumbs up, no corrosion whatsoever. CS spring was flakey moosh.  

Out of the ten's of thousands of rounds I've fired and seen fired by other Magpul employees I've yet to see one of our SS springs worn to the point of causing malf.  

One theory is that a weak spring will perform better in a PMAG than in a USGI or HK HR mag.  The reason is the feed lips have less resistance and friction on the brass casing than steel or aluminum.  That's why guys are reporting increased cyclic rates with the PMAG, less friction, faster and smoother feed.

Wow, my bad.  I'm ramblings.  It's your choice, if you want to put a CMMG spring in your PMAG, do it.  I've got some in mine just to see how they run and they run fine.  
5/18/2008 4:01:40 AM EDT
[#9]

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That's why guys are reporting increased cyclic rates with the PMAG, less friction, faster and smoother feed.



Never heard before that the magazine had anything to do with cyclic rate, can you explain this more??
5/18/2008 7:42:03 AM EDT
[#10]

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That's why guys are reporting increased cyclic rates with the PMAG, less friction, faster and smoother feed.



Never heard before that the magazine had anything to do with cyclic rate, can you explain this more??


MSTN did some tests and said that the PMag ran 50 rpm faster than the stock USGI mag running full auto in the same gun with same ammo.

We suspect this is due to the reduced friction when stripping the round of polymer on brass of the PMag feed lips compared to the ALU on Brass of the USGI
5/18/2008 3:10:29 PM EDT
[#11]
Gentlemen,
 I would like to ask what is the best replacement spring for ANY 30 round mag out there?  I mean, is there a "BEST" replacement spring for when the spring actually does wear out?
 Am I correct that the CS ISMI Springs are considered to be a little stronger, but the SS springs are sometimes chosen istead, for their corrosion resistance properties?
 I thought I read that the CS ISMI springs are usually stronger, and have better memory (or better LACK of memory), and that's why they are liked by many.
 Is this correct?
What companies offer 30rd SS replacement springs, and what companies offer CS 30rd replacement springs?
5/19/2008 5:13:44 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
That's why guys are reporting increased cyclic rates with the PMAG, less friction, faster and smoother feed.



Never heard before that the magazine had anything to do with cyclic rate, can you explain this more??


MSTN did some tests and said that the PMag ran 50 rpm faster than the stock USGI mag running full auto in the same gun with same ammo.

We suspect this is due to the reduced friction when stripping the round of polymer on brass of the PMag feed lips compared to the ALU on Brass of the USGI


Is that a good thing??  AFAIK the military specifies a certain cyclic rate when evaluating a certain weapon and likes it to stay that way.  It seems that an increase in cyclic rate would waste ammo and cause more stress on the moving parts.
5/19/2008 8:10:59 AM EDT
[#13]
the military is concerned more about reliability than an a slight 5% increase in rpm.

also the rpm increase won't cause any appreciable wear because the pmag only affects the loading portion of the firing cycle.
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