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1/11/2007 5:39:15 PM EDT
I have some questions about the beta C mags

1. Do I need stripper clips to use the loader that comes with it?
2. What is the teflon stuff that comes with the mags used for?
3. Are the Beta C mags reliable?  

Thanks for the input guys.  
1/11/2007 6:20:32 PM EDT
[#1]
1. No

2. Lubrication

3.  No (and they are fragile) - the Army (TAACOM) issued a 'safety of use' message on them and the Army quit using them due to their hideous performance.  They are range toys.
1/11/2007 7:18:19 PM EDT
[#2]
So I guess they arent worth $250 then?
1/11/2007 7:22:28 PM EDT
[#3]
Fragile

Noisy


Heavy


Fun.  
1/11/2007 8:55:16 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
So I guess they arent worth $250 then?


If you want one, buy one.  I've spent money on shit I wanted that objectively wasn't "worth it" and I've passed up sweet, sweet deals that were "worth it" I didn't want.

Caveat emptor.
1/11/2007 9:05:06 PM EDT
[#5]
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Quoted:
So I guess they arent worth $250 then?


During the ban, they were priced from two, to three, even four times that.

The question is if you think you'll ever want a novelty like a C-mag.  

They won't be getting any cheaper.
1/12/2007 12:25:48 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:


1. Do I need stripper clips to use the loader that comes with it?


It depends on the loader that it comes with they do make a stripper clip loader.

They hold up pretty well. There more of a range toy. The only thing that will really need to be replaced would be the mag tower.

The Teflon that comes with it is just a lube.

If they get banned again there a pretty nice investment.
1/12/2007 5:52:08 AM EDT
[#7]
I have used my c-mag about 11 times now, I have no issues to report and I would buy it again if I find more disposable money.

I do not low crawl through sand, I do not run out of the rear of a Bradley. I treat my rifles and accessories 100% better than how a combat weapon is treated.

If you use it at the range, or a 3-gun comp it will not be an issue.

If you get one, get the 10 round stripper loader, it works better than the 5 round loose loader; or you can modify a LULA to fit without getting stuck on the tower.

My friends love it when I pull it out at the range. They are amazed that my rifle goes through 100 rds of Wolf without a jam or blowing up.
1/12/2007 5:53:28 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:


1. Do I need stripper clips to use the loader that comes with it?


It depends on the loader that it comes with they do make a stripper clip loader.

They hold up pretty well. There more of a range toy. The only thing that will really need to be replaced would be the mag tower.

The Teflon graphite that comes with it is just a lube.

If they get banned again there a pretty nice investment.


fixed for ya.

Graphite while loading every other time works fine. do not use oils/liquid lube
1/12/2007 9:02:56 AM EDT
[#9]
I wish they would come out with a metal version, i would pay more for a more reliable version.
1/12/2007 9:06:05 AM EDT
[#10]
Range toy, but plenty of fun.  I bought one for my 9mm SBR build in progress.  Heck of an investment if there should ever be another mag ban.
1/12/2007 10:28:52 AM EDT
[#11]
I think the reliability comments need perspective.

No, they are not COMBAT reliable.  

YES, they are range reliable and fun.  

Far as I can tell their only drawback is if dropped you probably broke it.  And of course, that doesn't pass the combat test does it
1/12/2007 1:06:19 PM EDT
[#12]
Unless you just NEED one for a cool range toy, avoid them. They are fragile and noisy as hell. I dropped one from chest level, empty, onto the sidewalk and it punched a hole the size of a fifty cent piece in the drum. Cost approx $80 to fix.

Save your money.

S.O.
1/14/2007 2:32:45 PM EDT
[#13]
They were going for as high as $800 when the ban was on.  If you're interested in owning one then now is the time to pick them up at around 2-fiddy a pop (complete kit).  

Anyone want to place a bet on a new ban NOT being on the horizon?  When it happens you could turn some nice coin if you decided you didn't like/want it.





1/14/2007 2:44:56 PM EDT
[#14]
The naysayers who say this thing is no good for the range have never used one in a M!6 with a heavy barrel.  Combat of course is a different story.

And about all these "dropping" horror stories -- just treat your stuff right.  
1/14/2007 6:37:48 PM EDT
[#15]
Any comments on the 90rd snail mags?  They're cheaper by about 100.00 and other than the weight distribution being odd are there issues with them and how do they compare to the Beta C's?
1/14/2007 6:59:49 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
Any comments on the 90rd snail mags?  They're cheaper by about 100.00 and other than the weight distribution being odd are there issues with them and how do they compare to the Beta C's?


Having owned both, I would advise the Beta over the snail no matter what the price difference.


The Beta is a better plastic (- as if thats possible) and is even keel on the rifle.




I made a few bucks off of them during the ban. They are a nice toy, but I wont be buying anymore.


100 round mag- $100-$250
NIW 30 round mag  <$10


Read the above two lines until it makes sense.


1/14/2007 10:25:59 PM EDT
[#17]
They are also great for prairie dogs you can shoot 100 rounds without taking your eyes off the targets to reload.
1/15/2007 7:04:37 PM EDT
[#18]
I recently got a Beta C-mag recently in a trade. I came across this information tonight:

July: Wexford Group International (on behalf of the US Army's Rapid Equipping Force) conducts tests on the Beta C-Mag with the 82nd Airborne at Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan. The field test is intended to evaluate the C-Mag as a back up for loose ammo, or when linked ammo is unavailable or in short supply. Its ultimate goal is to be an alternative to the link issue ammo. The results are once again negative. While loading the magazines, there are numerous jams, speed loaders break, and several magazines will not accept the full capacity of ammunition. Once live firing begins, there are repeated weapon malfunctions. Failures to chamber and double feeds are the most common problems.

TECOM publishes the following in "Test Record Number S-51340":

"The C-Mag is not suitable for use in training. The C-Mag demonstrated low reliability, poor durability, poor ergonomics, and resulted in a significant increase in weight for the same combat load."


Hopefully mine works better than those did..
1/15/2007 9:17:51 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
I recently got a Beta C-mag recently in a trade. I came across this information tonight:

July: Wexford Group International (on behalf of the US Army's Rapid Equipping Force) conducts tests on the Beta C-Mag with the 82nd Airborne at Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan. The field test is intended to evaluate the C-Mag as a back up for loose ammo, or when linked ammo is unavailable or in short supply. Its ultimate goal is to be an alternative to the link issue ammo. The results are once again negative. While loading the magazines, there are numerous jams, speed loaders break, and several magazines will not accept the full capacity of ammunition. Once live firing begins, there are repeated weapon malfunctions. Failures to chamber and double feeds are the most common problems.

TECOM publishes the following in "Test Record Number S-51340":

"The C-Mag is not suitable for use in training. The C-Mag demonstrated low reliability, poor durability, poor ergonomics, and resulted in a significant increase in weight for the same combat load."


Hopefully mine works better than those did..


There really not made for combat. Its a Range toy.
1/16/2007 5:40:18 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
I recently got a Beta C-mag recently in a trade. I came across this information tonight:

July: Wexford Group International (on behalf of the US Army's Rapid Equipping Force) conducts tests on the Beta C-Mag with the 82nd Airborne at Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan. The field test is intended to evaluate the C-Mag as a back up for loose ammo, or when linked ammo is unavailable or in short supply. Its ultimate goal is to be an alternative to the link issue ammo. The results are once again negative. While loading the magazines, there are numerous jams, speed loaders break, and several magazines will not accept the full capacity of ammunition. Once live firing begins, there are repeated weapon malfunctions. Failures to chamber and double feeds are the most common problems.

TECOM publishes the following in "Test Record Number S-51340":

"The C-Mag is not suitable for use in training. The C-Mag demonstrated low reliability, poor durability, poor ergonomics, and resulted in a significant increase in weight for the same combat load."


Hopefully mine works better than those did..


I would like to know what kind of monkey they used. those speed loaders are pretty tough.

I would also like to know how you get jams while LOADING the c-mag.

I don't trust/believe half of the test results that the military does, they tend to stack the test results against the item in question if somebody does not like the idea.

1/16/2007 11:07:44 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

I don't trust/believe half of the test results that the military does, they tend to stack the test results against the item in question if somebody does not like the idea.


Word
1/16/2007 11:16:09 AM EDT
[#22]

I would like to know what kind of monkey they used. those speed loaders are pretty tough


There is almost no limit to the destructive ability of an enlisted soldier in a parachute infantry regiment
1/16/2007 11:18:34 AM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
So I guess they arent worth $250 then?


Opportunity Cost Decision Making.

Think of what else you could buy/do with $250.

I can't see how the BETA would be better than 20-25 new mags or other toys.
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