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10/31/2006 12:42:22 PM EDT
I've tried searching but came up empty.

Has anybody tried to drill or cut holes in thier magazines to see how many rounds are loaded? Just like the witness holes on most pistol mags.

Thanks,
Brandon
10/31/2006 12:50:25 PM EDT
[#1]
Magpul I believe makes a mag with a window for that purpose. Keep in mind that pistol mags are enclosed in the grip and the holes are less likely to let debris in when inserted in the firearm. On an AR the holes would be on the outside and there is no telling what could get in while the gun is in use.

T
10/31/2006 4:20:04 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
I've tried searching but came up empty.

Has anybody tried to drill or cut holes in thier magazines to see how many rounds are loaded? Just like the witness holes on most pistol mags.

Thanks,
Brandon


Someone drilled one here about a year or so ago and posted a picture.  It's probably in the archives now.
11/1/2006 3:16:16 AM EDT
[#3]
Extra holes= a way for dirt and other crap to get into your mag, which inturn = inop mag.

learn to count, its easier.
11/1/2006 3:44:56 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I've tried searching but came up empty.

Has anybody tried to drill or cut holes in thier magazines to see how many rounds are loaded? Just like the witness holes on most pistol mags.

Thanks,
Brandon


Someone drilled one here about a year or so ago and posted a picture.  It's probably in the archives now.


I remember that thread.  The guy drilled holes in the back of the mag.  It was a while ago and I'll try to find it in the archives but I'm not sure how much luck I'll have.

I would get one of the Magpul mags before I would ever drill any holes in  my mags.  Drilling holes in a mag that is out in the open is a very bad idea
11/2/2006 11:27:08 AM EDT
[#5]
Magpul has the only design I've seen that would really work I think. In addition to the issue of opening up the mag there's also the issue of the top 1/2 to 1/3 of it being enclosed in the magwell. So while it could work, not only does it seem to me that it would be rather akward to tilt the rifle to look at the back of the mag (and only slightly less akward to look at the indicator on the side of the magpulls *L*) the last ten or so rounds would be uncountable without pulling the mag at which point if you're that concerned you may as well just perform a tactical reload. So if you want to, go for it, I'll not stop you, it sounds like an interesting project.
11/12/2006 11:08:35 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:the last ten or so rounds would be uncountable without pulling the mag at which point if you're that concerned you may as well just perform a tactical reload. So if you want to, go for it, I'll not stop you, it sounds like an interesting project.

I think that is why the orange spring loop is there.  When it hits the top of the window the mag is empty.
11/12/2006 12:15:29 PM EDT
[#7]
Easier to understand with a picture and a movie.



Maglevel Demo Movie (Windows Media)
11/13/2006 7:19:28 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
I've tried searching but came up empty.

Has anybody tried to drill or cut holes in thier magazines to see how many rounds are loaded? Just like the witness holes on most pistol mags.

Thanks,
Brandon


Someone drilled one here about a year or so ago and posted a picture.  It's probably in the archives now.


I remember that thread.  The guy drilled holes in the back of the mag.  It was a while ago and I'll try to find it in the archives but I'm not sure how much luck I'll have.

I would get one of the Magpul mags before I would ever drill any holes in  my mags.  Drilling holes in a mag that is out in the open is a very bad idea


N_T was the one who drilled the witness holes in the mags. It worked well for him IIRC. It would work well for range mags.
11/13/2006 9:01:12 AM EDT
[#9]
Hey Magpul

That's a great idea - I like the window instead of witness holes

Thanks
Brandon
11/13/2006 10:48:26 AM EDT
[#10]
Why not cut a slit window in one of the vertical recesses, and then Gorilla-Glue a thin piece of plexi over it? If you were going to do more than one mag the labour wouldn't be too bad.

edit:
BTW how did they paint that mag on the right? That's craftsmanship.
11/13/2006 11:58:51 AM EDT
[#11]
Eh, I think it was me that you guys are thinking of. I posted pics quite awhile ago but have since deleted them. I have 2 mags that are drilled that I frequently shoot at our farm with. No problems to date.

One is a preban Adventureline and the other is a ban-era NHMTG. Bunch of rounds through them and nothing to say but they work. I would post another pic, but my camera went TU a month ago and I haven't had the time, energy, or money to get another one.

WIZZO
11/13/2006 6:25:07 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Why not cut a slit window in one of the vertical recesses, and then Gorilla-Glue a thin piece of plexi over it? If you were going to do more than one mag the labour wouldn't be too bad.

edit:
BTW how did they paint that mag on the right? That's craftsmanship.


it's Crye ammo and I believe Magpul let Crye do the paint job on it
11/13/2006 6:35:46 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
Why not cut a slit window in one of the vertical recesses, and then Gorilla-Glue a thin piece of plexi over it? If you were going to do more than one mag the labour wouldn't be too bad.



The recesses are rub-rails for the casings inside.  It would be better to operate on the flats between the vertical recesses.  Probably should keep to the center of the large flat.  The magpul followers I have, skates next to the edge of the flat.  Some heavy clear packing tape would do nicely on the holes that lay outside the mag well lips when attached to the lower receiver.

You could alternate the holes from left to right to reduce weakening the mag body structure with the holes.
11/15/2006 8:22:24 AM EDT
[#14]
WIZZO_ARAKM14,

These must be your pictures then -





I have to admit I have used your pictures as examples of unintended consequences.  The pictures always gets a good laugh from the troops.
11/15/2006 8:25:36 AM EDT
[#15]
Yeah, those are the ones I deleted.

I wouldn't take it to war, nor would I ever recommend it, but I'm just saying that they haven't given me any trouble.

WIZZO

ETA: I'm pretty sure that the last 10rds are up in the magwell, so when you no longer see primers, you're running pretty low. I think the other 2 pics is the mag at 29 and 30rds (29 is showing the green follower).
11/15/2006 12:06:05 PM EDT
[#16]
Neat WIZZO,

 Now we need something for the night fighter or tactical reloader, something illuminated, or something one can feel with no daylight available.
11/15/2006 5:24:41 PM EDT
[#17]
I was imagining something along the lines of a Steyr FAL Mag.  But that is definitly different.
11/15/2006 5:41:44 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
WIZZO_ARAKM14,

These must be your pictures then -

img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/20rdmag/DCP_0766a.jpg
img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/20rdmag/DCP_0759a.jpg
img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/20rdmag/DCP_0758a.jpg




Interesting .... very interesting.
11/26/2006 7:28:11 PM EDT
[#19]
On one of my range mags, I put four witness holes.  They indicate 10, 12, 14, and 16 rounds.  Only the last two holes are visible when the mag is inserted.



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