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10/18/2005 8:27:42 PM EDT
Are the mags that Brownells are selling as their own D&H, or something else>

Thanks,
Ryan
10/19/2005 5:57:26 AM EDT
[#1]
Apparrently they are now a Gov't contract supplier for M16 mags. Everything I've read says these mags are good to go.
10/19/2005 8:58:57 AM EDT
[#2]
The sale is over at Brownells.
10/19/2005 9:25:25 AM EDT
[#3]
What sale are you talking about?  I saw them in the catalog, and I know what my price would be, I am just wondering if they are good or not.

Thanks,
Ryan
10/20/2005 10:55:57 AM EDT
[#4]
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=17&t=248638
10/25/2005 2:27:18 PM EDT
[#5]
Brownells mags are definitely not D&H. They cannot and do not produce a mil std mag. There are only 3 manufacturers in the US capable of producing a mil std mag. 2 are located in Connecticut and the other is in Kansas.
10/25/2005 9:20:53 PM EDT
[#6]
I got some Brownells and they work great, no problems at all.
10/25/2005 9:21:27 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Brownells mags are definitely not D&H. They cannot and do not produce a mil std mag. There are only 3 manufacturers in the US capable of producing a mil std mag. 2 are located in Connecticut and the other is in Kansas.



You do not have to have a current govt contract to produce "Mil-Std" mags.

Hootbro
10/25/2005 11:33:34 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Brownells mags are definitely not D&H. They cannot and do not produce a mil std mag. There are only 3 manufacturers in the US capable of producing a mil std mag. 2 are located in Connecticut and the other is in Kansas.



Actually, Brownells recently received a .mil contract for M16 magazines.  Apparently all of the very early QC issues they had have been worked out.  
10/26/2005 3:58:14 AM EDT
[#9]
Hootbro-you are correct. All you need is just have the knowledge, equipment, experience and test equipment, plus a Quality Assurance program to pass all of the dimensional criteria as well as the functional testing with each lot of magazines you manufacture. Piece of cake!!
10/26/2005 10:57:42 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Hootbro-you are correct. All you need is just have the knowledge, equipment, experience and test equipment, plus a Quality Assurance program to pass all of the dimensional criteria as well as the functional testing with each lot of magazines you manufacture. Piece of cake!!



It's not rocket science for any stamping company with experience. Not to say others have not screwed the pooch but it can be done and has been done without having to be under a govt. contract. "Mil-Spec" is not always the best spec but it does ensure a basic quality control. The aviation company I currently work for, could be cranking out magazines and AR-15 receivers within a month if they so choosed and I am almost 100% confident that it would be "mil-spec". Experienced machinist and tool & die makers can make anything given the proper print.

Hootbro
10/27/2005 6:11:35 AM EDT
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Unfortunatley your comment trivializes the efforts required to manufacture a magazine[mil-std or not] Anyone who believes it is as easy as producing a stamped part truely has no understanding of the full scope of processes required to produce a mag. I have been a tolmaker for the past thirty years and have been involved with a magazine development project from its start. Without seeing the prints and their requirements it would be unwise for anyone to make a comment on developing a magazine. As far as Mil-std being the best or not it certainly does insure the quality and reliability in the field I would want on the line. Some times it seems like over kill but I would prefer that to a product that may or may not work from one to another. Not meaning to slam anyone here but just wanted to set the record straight as to the difficulty of the project.

rickdownrange
10/27/2005 10:55:10 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Unfortunatley your comment trivializes the efforts required to manufacture a magazine[mil-std or not] Anyone who believes it is as easy as producing a stamped part truely has no understanding of the full scope of processes required to produce a mag. I have been a tolmaker for the past thirty years and have been involved with a magazine development project from its start. Without seeing the prints and their requirements it would be unwise for anyone to make a comment on developing a magazine. As far as Mil-std being the best or not it certainly does insure the quality and reliability in the field I would want on the line. Some times it seems like over kill but I would prefer that to a product that may or may not work from one to another. Not meaning to slam anyone here but just wanted to set the record straight as to the difficulty of the project.

rickdownrange



Still disagree dude. While I will admit to not handling a set of prints concerning mags, I have dealt with many companies in the aviation business big and small I have subcontracted parts at the manufacturing, quality and engineering level that have overcome technical hurdles way beyond a USGI mag.


Now on a somewhat different side note. I have heard the rumor years ago that in the 1970's and 1980's that the original COLT tooling for making USGI would get awarded or subcontracted to minority/women owned business's every few years? Anybody heard of this or got info?

Hootbro
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