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Posted: 4/17/2003 6:57:16 AM EDT
| FYI. the sunset portion of the crime bill only relates to guns. the magazines are NOT coverd in the sunset portion of the law. unless the law is changed. magazines will remain 10 rds unless they were mfg prior to 13 sept 1994. just got comfermation from the NRA. R GUNS OUT. |
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Quoted: FYI. the sunset portion of the crime bill only relates to guns. the magazines are NOT coverd in the sunset portion of the law. unless the law is changed. magazines will remain 10 rds unless they were mfg prior to 13 sept 1994. just got comfermation from the NRA. R GUNS OUT. [b]BULLSHIT.[/b] Here's a quote from the NRA's web site. "Large capacity ammunition feeding devices" The law also prohibits a private individual from possessing or transferring a "large capacity ammunition feeding device" manufactured after Sept. 13, 1994. Government agencies and their agents (the military, police departments, etc.) are exempt. The law defined that term to include "a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device . . . that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition; but does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition." Such "devices" manufactured prior on or before Sept. 13, 1994, including those manufactured outside the United States, remain legal to possess, transfer and import. Such "devices" manufactured after that date must be stamped with the date of manufacture. The law places the "burden of proof" upon the government, not the individual, in the event of a criminal charge relating to possession of such a "device." [b][red]This portion of the law, too, is scheduled to expire on Sept. 13, 2004.[/red][/b] |
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Quoted: from what I have ben told (NRA)that the sunset portion only relates to guns. magazines are in a seperate portion of the law that will NOT sunset. keep in mind the crime bill will not expire, only a portion of it will. just passing on some info. Have you read the law? Your information is erroneous at best. |
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[b][size=3]GUN DEALER GUILTY OF IMPERSONATING COPS[/b][/size=3] [i]Chicago Tribune[/i]; Chicago, Ill.; Oct 17, 1997; Jerry Crimmins.; A gun dealer who owns R Guns, 140 N. Western Ave., Carpentersville, pleaded guilty in Kane County Circuit Court this week to impersonating a police officer, said Jerry Singer, a spokesman for the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. The charge is a felony and the gun dealer, Roger Lee Krahl, will lose his federal firearms license, said Singer. Judge James Doyle sentenced him to 18 months' probation, said Singer. Singer said Krahl, 33, of Algonquin, used letterheads from more than a dozen police departments to make it seem he was a police officer when he placed orders for assault weapons from manufacturers. Krahl used the letterheads to buy more than 100 assault weapons and accessories. [i]Copyright Chicago Tribune Co. Oct 17, 1997[/i] Since when has the NRA made a practice of helping [b]CONVICTED FELONS[/b]? Does the NRA even know you're a [b]CONVICTED FELON[/b]? They will when I talk to them tomorrow. This website isn't a halfway house or your probation officer's chat room. |
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Quoted: well after chasing rumors for a few weeks. I called the regional NRA guy for ILLINOIS, and this is what he tells me. IF i am wrong so be it. but this was the info coming out of the NRA. I think that info came out of somewhere [moon]but doubt it was from NRA. |
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Quoted: [b][size=3]GUN DEALER GUILTY OF IMPERSONATING COPS[/b][/size=3] [i]Chicago Tribune[/i]; Chicago, Ill.; Oct 17, 1997; Jerry Crimmins.; A gun dealer who owns R Guns, 140 N. Western Ave., Carpentersville, pleaded guilty in Kane County Circuit Court this week to impersonating a police officer, said Jerry Singer, a spokesman for the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. The charge is a felony and the gun dealer, Roger Lee Krahl, will lose his federal firearms license, said Singer. Judge James Doyle sentenced him to 18 months' probation, said Singer. Singer said Krahl, 33, of Algonquin, used letterheads from more than a dozen police departments to make it seem he was a police officer when he placed orders for assault weapons from manufacturers. Krahl used the letterheads to buy more than 100 assault weapons and accessories. [i]Copyright Chicago Tribune Co. Oct 17, 1997[/i] Since when has the NRA made a practice of helping [b]CONVICTED FELONS[/b]? Does the NRA even know you're a [b]CONVICTED FELON[/b]? They will when I talk to them tomorrow. This website isn't a halfway house or your probation officer's chat room. Oh hell, this is getting SAD quick. I am starting to feel sorry for this poor guy [RGUNS]. [whacko] |
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1997 ?? Yeah, he's a [b]CONVICTED FELON[/b], so he can't actually possess or deal in guns any longer. He walks a pretty fine line with the BATFE and has the FFL held in his dad's name, Tom Krahl. If you support RGuns, you're supporting a [b]CONVICTED FELON[/b]. Everyone gets their panties in a bunch over paying $7.50 to see a movie made by antigunners, but have no qualms about supporting someone who gives the shooting sports a bad name. |
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I am not condoning RGUNS previous actions before. But.... That news article does not mean he was convicted. It could mean he was given Probation Before Judgement. Therefore it is not a conviction and the no guns for felons policy would not apply here. I am not sure if he was given PBJ but most likely he was if he did not have a long criminal record in the past. Just wanted to add that tid bit of legal info here. |
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That news article does not mean he was convicted. It could mean he was given Probation Before Judgement. Therefore it is not a conviction and the no guns for felons policy would not apply here. Actually, it DOES mean he was convicted. He plead guilty. What's so hard to see there? He was given probation vice jail time due to his lack of criminal history. Of course, you can always speak with the local BATFE office, or other authorities if you doubt it. |
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Quoted: That news article does not mean he was convicted. It could mean he was given Probation Before Judgement. Therefore it is not a conviction and the no guns for felons policy would not apply here. Actually, it DOES mean he was convicted. He plead guilty. What's so hard to see there? He was given probation vice jail time due to his lack of criminal history. You can STILL plead guilty to a crime and not be convicted. You can still plead guilty and be given probation before judgement-which is NOT a conviction. Why do I have to call the BATF? I know what I'm talking about. Call any lawyer and they will tell you this. |
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Why do I have to call the BATF? I know what I'm talking about. Well, you [i][b]DON'T[/i][/b] know what you're talking about here. You can speak with the local BATFE field office and they'll fill you in on the criminal past of Mr. Krahl. They'll tell you how he had his FFL transferred over into his dad's name because of his felony conviction. You, apparently, don't want to know that. You can STILL plead guilty to a crime and not be convicted. You can still plead guilty and be given probation before judgement-which is NOT a conviction. That is called a deferred sentence and during the deferment period, you are considered a convicted felon. This was not a deferred sentence and Mr. Krahl remains a convicted felon to this day. |
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Also, even IF he was convicted, in some states a Felony can be plea bargained down to a misdemeanor. FWIW Uh, no. If a plea bargain is offered, the defendant pleads to the lesser crime; i.e. the misdemeanor. He doesn't plead guilty to a felony and receive a misdemeanor in return. Example: A relative was charged with a felony in Federal Court. The U.S. Attorney's office offers a plea bargain: he pleads guilty to a misdemeanor and the felony charge is dropped. His co-defendant pleads guilty to the original felony and receives probation vice jail time due to no criminal history. THAT is a plea bargain. |
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Quoted: Why do I have to call the BATF? I know what I'm talking about. Well, you [i][b]DON'T[/i][/b] know what you're talking about here. You can speak with the local BATFE field office and they'll fill you in on the criminal past of Mr. Krahl. They'll tell you how he had his FFL transferred over into his dad's name because of his felony conviction. You, apparently, don't want to know that. You can STILL plead guilty to a crime and not be convicted. You can still plead guilty and be given probation before judgement-which is NOT a conviction. That is called a deferred sentence and during the deferment period, you are considered a convicted felon. This was not a deferred sentence and Mr. Krahl remains a convicted felon to this day. I wasn't saying I knew what I was talking about regarding RGUNS. I WAS SAYING I KNEW what I was talking about regarding how the Probation before judgement rule works. jeez! my bad on the "calling BATF" I thought you meant for me to call them about the PBJ rule. |
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Who cares wht RGUNS has to say. Hey, how about the mags I ordered in FEB 2002. They were supposed to go out that week. Since I will never ever ever be able to get the mags again (because your brothers cousins ex college room mate told you so)unless I buy them from you right now, will I get anything if I order again? You people are pathetic. |
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Well, according to Gun Owners of America, and Knight Ridder news service, he IS supporting the reauthorization of the ban. If he does, I for one, will feel completely betrayed. But, I am VERY surprised more guys arn`t aware of it or discussing it. The NRA supported Tom Ridge for gov. of Pa. where I live, and he inacted some very stringent long gun regs., as well as voted for every gun control measure that ever came through the congress when he was there. NO ONE, should take it for granted that Bush will allow this law to sunset. We better get and STAY active in our political process, guys. |
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Quoted: Well, according to Gun Owners of America, and Knight Ridder news service, he IS supporting the reauthorization of the ban. If he does, I for one, will feel completely betrayed. As will I. No doubt it cost his father alot of votes. As it did the democrats in '94. We'll see. But, I am VERY surprised more guys arn`t aware of it or discussing it. I think it has been discussed quite a bit. The NRA supported Tom Ridge for gov. of Pa. where I live, and he inacted some very stringent long gun regs., as well as voted for every gun control measure that ever came through the congress when he was there. Guy seems like a fascist to me. Scary. Homeland Security? Scary. NO ONE, should take it for granted that Bush will allow this law to sunset. Damn straight. We better get and STAY active in our political process, guys. Yeah, I sent off letters to GWB and my Senators this past week. I guess we can consider this thread officially hijacked. Jim Dandy, Nader's Raiders??!!!! |
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Quoted: Who cares wht RGUNS has to say. Hey, how about the mags I ordered in FEB 2002. They were supposed to go out that week. "THeR UN BAKORDER"...click. Since I will never ever ever be able to get the mags again (because your brothers cousins ex college room mate told you so)unless I buy them from you right now, will I get anything if I order again? Holy shit. His bother's cousin's ex-college roomate??!! Damn, I better call right now! [:E] |
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