Posted: 2/15/2021 12:38:11 PM EDT
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Not really. According to the FBI BRF, over penetration causing collateral damage (injury to bystanders) is such a rare occurrence that it’s a statistical nonissue. The FBI BRF does however warn that the greatest danger for any projectile is UNDER penetration and failure to reach vital organs. Fragmenting varmint or “urban” loads are highly problematic and can cause issues with under penetration, which is why you see a lot of LE agencies moving away from them. For home use, there are a couple urban loads that will likely work sufficiently for shooting someone, but they’re all 55gr or higher and there’s no guarantee of penetration like with a bonded JSP, copper monolith JHP (like the TSX, GMX), or FMJ. Varmint loads don’t handle bone well, and variances in soft tissue density between fat and muscle also cause issues. Something to be aware of when considering the efficacy of certain types of loads that were designed to kill rodents and small nuisance mammals.
Old gun shop Fudd lore dictates that a 5.56 FMJ won’t go through two layers of drywall, so it’s best for home defense. This is utter bullshit that has been prove false, as M193 will go through at least 14 layers of drywall (7 walls). There are YouTube videos proving the penetration ability of the round. The key to not over-penetrating is NOT MISSING. The body will cause the round to dump a majority of its energy if the round leaves the body. Statistically however, the .223/5.56 has a lower incidence of over-penetration than standard combat caliber pistol loads like 9mm JHPs and similar that are used by LE. This is not only applicable to urban loads, but also to barrier blind rifle loads like the Speer Gold Dot/Federal Fusion JSP (same bullet), Federal Tactical Bonded JSP/TBBC, Barnes TSX, etc. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quote History Quoted:Quoted: Q: does anyone have examples of over-penetration actually causing injury, death, or issues? Not at all saying it isn't something to be mindful of - I think both ammo selection and knowing which directions you can/should/shouldn't/can't shoot are both important. But I realized that I haven't ever actually heard of it happening outside of police, which are both notoriously inaccurate compared to most civvie shootings as well as going in without knowledge of a home's shooting lines as an actual inhabitant would have. Not really. According to the FBI BRF, over penetration causing collateral damage (injury to bystanders) is such a rare occurrence that it’s a statistical nonissue. The FBI BRF does however warn that the greatest danger for any projectile is UNDER penetration and failure to reach vital organs. Fragmenting varmint or “urban” loads are highly problematic and can cause issues with under penetration, which is why you see a lot of LE agencies moving away from them. For home use, there are a couple urban loads that will likely work sufficiently for shooting someone, but they’re all 55gr or higher and there’s no guarantee of penetration like with a bonded JSP, copper monolith JHP (like the TSX, GMX), or FMJ. Varmint loads don’t handle bone well, and variances in soft tissue density between fat and muscle also cause issues. Something to be aware of when considering the efficacy of certain types of loads that were designed to kill rodents and small nuisance mammals. Old gun shop Fudd lore dictates that a 5.56 FMJ won’t go through two layers of drywall, so it’s best for home defense. This is utter bullshit that has been prove false, as M193 will go through at least 14 layers of drywall (7 walls). There are YouTube videos proving the penetration ability of the round. The key to not over-penetrating is NOT MISSING. The body will cause the round to dump a majority of its energy if the round leaves the body. Statistically however, the .223/5.56 has a lower incidence of over-penetration than standard combat caliber pistol loads like 9mm JHPs and similar that are used by LE. This is not only applicable to urban loads, but also to barrier blind rifle loads like the Speer Gold Dot/Federal Fusion JSP (same bullet), Federal Tactical Bonded JSP/TBBC, Barnes TSX, etc. Well-said, sir! There was a reason FBI created the barrier blind test and moved to use of ammo that meets that penetration test. And, the data also supports the extremely low likelihood of collateral damage from over penetration. I've been using and handloading bonded soft points and Barnes TSX solid copper hollow points for decades in hunting deer and other large game. The same bullet construction merits barrier blind testing. Just run Speer Gold Dot, TBBC, Federal Fusion, Barnes TSX. They expand rapidly, hold together, have superb terminal performance across a broad range of velocities, break bone and get the job done. Over penetration collateral damage no longer enters the FBI thought process because of the minuscule risk, and it ought not ours. Save the varmint ammo and outdated frag ammo (mil use it only because of stupid Hague Convention rules), for varmints or target/range use, or purely as backup supply if you run short of the good stuff. Varmint ammo is a poor choice. Frag ammo is unreliable, and neither penetrates sufficiently.
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