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Posted: 1/12/2014 11:24:27 AM EDT
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I have a chance to buy some 7.62 NATO SLAP ammo
anybody have any experience with this stuff? how much should I pay per round? is it safe to shoot? WCC 85 SLAP headstamp. thanks |
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I have a chance to buy some 7.62 NATO SLAP ammo anybody have any experience with this stuff? how much should I pay per round? is it safe to shoot? WCC 85 SLAP headstamp. thanks Is it military issue or a type 6 loading m855's in a sabot? real deal SLAP. tungsten projectile. he has a few boxes of the stuff. |
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Around $20 if cleaned, $30 (each) if original. If in a true military box with label, expect to pay double as the box is very rare. If they are real, please email me.
Its AP says so in the head stamp Saboted Light Armor Piercing - SLAP. Don't use with a muzzle break as the sabot can come off in barrel and ruin your day! wolfgang |
| Ive shot them through my Tactical modified Remington 40 X with 20 inch barrel. Point of aim/impact did not correspond to match ammo not surprisingly! Forget velocity but over 4200 fps as I recall. Will look it up and post later. Have a LE friend who shot a dog with it on a drug raid. Would not expect it to be very effective as it is a 55 grain tungsten pointed projectile, but it was a quick incapacitation. Projectile is not an M855!!! It was designed by BRL, and sabot by winchester/Olin. |
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Chronographed summer of 1992.
APDS SLAP 4301 fps from 20 inch Remington 40X, 1-10 twist. Point of impact slightly high and right of 168 and 175 BTHP match ammo but all ammo tested within 2 inch group at 200 yards using 168 grain zero. 168 Federal 2643 fps 175 Black Hills 2621 fps. 180 nosler partition (fedral premium) 2641 fps 165 Trophy Bonded Bear Claw Federal Premium High Energy, 2939 fps! 165 Nosler Ballistic Tip 46.5 grains BLC2 2751 fps 147 grain LC ball, 2695 fps Tested recently Mk319 130 grain Barrier Blind 2953 fps. 110 Hornady TAP 3260 fps |
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Shiff,
I have reloaded 165 grain 30-06 black tip AP into 762 match cases using 42 grains IMR4895 or 44 grains IMR 4064. Not esp accurate as the black tip was pulled from belted MG ammo which has about a 5 inch spec for dispersion at 100 yds. It owuld do about 3-4 inches from an accurate bolt gun. Nice 80 grain, 6mm steel core as I recall however. the SLAP is in another category entirely. It was designed to perforate Russian BTR 60/80 armor which is +6mm high hardness steel inclined at about 60 degrees. (Cant remember exactly but steep incline). I ofund my range card for those loads and was surprised how close to point of aim it was. |
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holy shit, my friends father has a 2 50cal cans in boxes full of this stuff. We just thought it was some gimmick ammo, he never shot it. is it really worth so much? sounds like you just got lucky! yeah, apparently $20 a pop is the going rate. yep, $400 a box. Now, are you gonna tell him, or just buy a bunch for cheap??? 
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OP,
Here is the data sheet info on M948/XM948 SLAP & M959/XM959 TRACER. WCC listed them as "M" cartridges which is normally an indicator of DOD type classification. Technically, they should have been listed as "XM" cartridges since neither was ever type classified by DOD. The listed "Projectile Weight" includes both the projectile & sabot weight. There were several variations on these cartridges. More info can be found on the IAA forum. 
M948/XM948 SLAP fired a 52.5gr. tungsten penetrator in a penetrator-specific sabot: 
M959/XM959 TRACER fired the standard 52.8gr. 0.224" M196 tracer bullet with cannelure in a tracer-specific sabot:. 
Original "RED HEAD" primer sealant on 9-1 M13 linked 7.62 SLAP/SLAP-T for M134 Minigun use. The sabot/case mouth is sealed with the standard asphaltum tar-like bullet sealant. 
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I once read of these coming out of the side of barrels. Any truth to that? Several USMC gunners from that era have stated that a WCC 7.62 SLAP penetrator came out the side of an M60 barrel prompting a USMC ban of 7.62MM SLAP use. AFAIK, Army still used 7.62 SLAP in the M134 Minigun & bolt rifle. M14 shooters were instructed not to fire 7.62 SLAP. The sabot is not compatible with a FH or a sound suppressor. So the conventional Swedish Förenede Fabriksverken (FFV) 7.62MM AP cartridge was tested as a replacement for WCC 7.62 SLAP. The FFV 7.62MM AP cartridge was type classified as M993 in 1996. By that time, FFV had merged into Carl Gustav (CG) then CG merged into the NAMMO Group. The exact time line is fuzzy because of all the lawsuits flying over headstamp rights, etc. 
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hey guys, I also have some LC 55 AP with the double cannelures. are these worth anything? The T93E1 AP & the T93E2 AP cartridge which was later type classified as the M61 AP both had a double cannelured bullet. And they do have collector value based on condition. Match up the double cannelures with the ones below. 
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here is some picshttp://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z438/amf41/IMG_3733_zpscfd00dd2.jpg http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z438/amf41/IMG_3735_zpsa15dc594.jpg http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z438/amf41/IMG_3734_zpsacb1bf0e.jpg what are these worth? they look like the second from left in your pics. I figured the bullet would look like the second from left, an LC 54 T93E2 AP, but I needed to see the casing type. LC made both the T93E2 AP cartridges & the DOD standardized 7.62MM M61 AP cartridges in 1955. The only thing that differentiates the (2) is the lot number on the box. LC also made M61 AP in steel casings in '55 & '56. If you have access to the original box these cartridges came from, get the box or at least a picture of the box showing the lot number. I just don't keep up with value. Someone else may knows more about that. I can say the cartridge looks to be in original/unmolested condition all the way down to the annealing marks on the case neck. Very nice! |
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how do i tell if it is t93e or m61? AFAIK, the LC T93E2 & M61 AP cartridges are identical in '55. Only the lot number on the box differentiates the two. If it had an "LC 54" headstamp, it would be T93E2. If it had an "LC (+) 56" headstamp, it would be M61. |
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All have the same "LC 55 NATO" headstamp? |
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All have the same "LC 55 NATO" headstamp? yep. have some tracers, too. |
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sounds like you just got lucky! yeah, apparently $20 a pop is the going rate. yep, $400 a box. Now, are you gonna tell him, or just buy a bunch for cheap??? Quoted:
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holy shit, my friends father has a 2 50cal cans in boxes full of this stuff. We just thought it was some gimmick ammo, he never shot it. is it really worth so much? sounds like you just got lucky! yeah, apparently $20 a pop is the going rate. yep, $400 a box. Now, are you gonna tell him, or just buy a bunch for cheap??? lol if he still has em i'm going to see if he will split em, if he even has them his father sold off a lot of stuff to cover his cancer treatment when the VA stopped covering it. |
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lol if he still has em i'm going to see if he will split em, if he even has them his father sold off a lot of stuff to cover his cancer treatment when the VA stopped covering it. Quoted:
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holy shit, my friends father has a 2 50cal cans in boxes full of this stuff. We just thought it was some gimmick ammo, he never shot it. is it really worth so much? sounds like you just got lucky! yeah, apparently $20 a pop is the going rate. yep, $400 a box. Now, are you gonna tell him, or just buy a bunch for cheap??? lol if he still has em i'm going to see if he will split em, if he even has them his father sold off a lot of stuff to cover his cancer treatment when the VA stopped covering it. Good Man. get him some money. God Bless. |
Back in the good old days, which were in the mid 1990's for some of us, I had close to 60 rds of this. Majority was WCC 95 dated from what I can remember. Some was in M13 links and had a few of the M196 style tracers. Majority were linked 9-1 for a minigun issue. I was in SF at the time, and had a friend at Ft Bragg working with the long haired guys as we called them then. He picked the belt up at a firing position there on a range they were using and put them in his ruck, he said he thought I'd like them! Others I picked up over the years were loose but with the same headstamp. I think I sold each of them for about $12.00 or so...but that was then, this is now. Pretty neat ammo to say the least. 
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