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5/27/2013 9:39:29 AM EDT
This stuff is just poop. I would hold steel to a higher standard this this stuff. Tons of FTF/ FTE. I have never had any problems with any of my ARs tell I ran this stuff.
Anyone else use ether of this stuff?

5/27/2013 10:35:58 AM EDT
[#1]
I've got some of the boxes on the left, I don't know if I've shot any but think I have without any issues. I tend to buy Federal 193 whenever possible.
5/27/2013 10:37:45 AM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
This stuff is just poop. I would hold steel to a higher standard this this stuff. Tons of FTF/ FTE. I have never had any problems with any of my ARs tell I ran this stuff.
Anyone else use ether of this stuff?

http://<a href=http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8544/8856926822_7beaea44d7.jpg


I have some gonna try it next wknd.
We shall see...
5/27/2013 10:47:41 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
I've got some of the boxes on the left, I don't know if I've shot any but think I have without any issues. I tend to buy Federal 193 whenever possible.


see I normally only buy federal. But WM had some so I thought I would give it a try
5/27/2013 12:38:12 PM EDT
[#4]
Winchester white box is well known to be junk.  I bought a half-case of Q3131 many years ago - still have some.  I never had feed issues, but it is the most inaccurate ammo I've ever tried, and dirty too.  Absolute crap - I'll never buy it again.  WalMart has it right now for $12.37/box, incidentally.
5/27/2013 12:49:25 PM EDT
[#5]
Q3131 a1 or a2?

Crap? Bullshit.
5/27/2013 1:15:30 PM EDT
[#6]
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Winchester white box is well known to be junk.  I bought a half-case of Q3131 many years ago - still have some.  I never had feed issues, but it is the most inaccurate ammo I've ever tried, and dirty too.  Absolute crap - I'll never buy it again.  WalMart has it right now for $12.37/box, incidentally.


The old Q3131A and USAR1VP were both made in Israel and are excellent.

I miss the USAR1VP 40 round value packs at Wal-Mart for $7.73.
5/27/2013 2:40:44 PM EDT
[#7]
Shoots fine in my guns.
5/27/2013 3:36:07 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
This stuff is just poop. I would hold steel to a higher standard this this stuff. Tons of FTF/ FTE. I have never had any problems with any of my ARs tell I ran this stuff.
Anyone else use ether of this stuff?

http://<a href=http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8544/8856926822_7beaea44d7.jpg


Give us the serial number, lot number ,manufacturing date.   Vendor name.     Please.
5/27/2013 4:41:46 PM EDT
[#9]
That is usually very good ammo.

Did you run any other ammo that day that functioned fine?
5/27/2013 5:07:39 PM EDT
[#10]
Oh yes Walmarts answer to the ammo crisis.
Tell manufactures to pump it out as quick as they can and to heck with QC.






5/27/2013 5:10:27 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
This stuff is just poop. I would hold steel to a higher standard this this stuff. Tons of FTF/ FTE. I have never had any problems with any of my ARs tell I ran this stuff.
Anyone else use ether of this stuff?

http://<a href=http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8544/8856926822_7beaea44d7.jpg


I've shot some of the stuff on the right.  I had better success with Tula.
5/27/2013 5:33:20 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Quoted:
This stuff is just poop. I would hold steel to a higher standard this this stuff. Tons of FTF/ FTE. I have never had any problems with any of my ARs tell I ran this stuff.
Anyone else use ether of this stuff?

http://<a href=http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8544/8856926822_7beaea44d7.jpg


Give us the serial number, lot number ,manufacturing date.   Vendor name.     Please.



This ....

I have had decent luck with USA / Winc. ammo, granted it was all USA Q3131 or Q3131A, and if this is true about all the current batches, I will feel very let down .....has the OP notified Winchester with his concerns ?

5/27/2013 7:34:30 PM EDT
[#13]
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That is usually very good ammo.

Did you run any other ammo that day that functioned fine?


yes I did. I ran Federal brown box m193 and American Eagle 223. 100 rounds of each and they shot like a champ.
5/27/2013 7:54:47 PM EDT
[#14]
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Quoted:
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This stuff is just poop. I would hold steel to a higher standard this this stuff. Tons of FTF/ FTE. I have never had any problems with any of my ARs tell I ran this stuff.
Anyone else use ether of this stuff?

http://<a href=http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8544/8856926822_7beaea44d7.jpg


Give us the serial number, lot number ,manufacturing date.   Vendor name.     Please.



This ....

I have had decent luck with USA / Winc. ammo, granted it was all USA Q3131 or Q3131A, and if this is true about all the current batches, I will feel very let down .....has the OP notified Winchester with his concerns ?



Here are the lot numbers. I also have not Contacted Winchester. Even if I did they would not do anything for me. Its not like it blew up my gun. Thank god though.

5/27/2013 8:35:28 PM EDT
[#15]
I've shot some and it's not my favorite. I prefer federal and fiocchi for 55gr plinking stuff. I just think the winchester is over priced, and really doesn't shoot very accurately out of my guns, so I don't buy it
5/28/2013 4:38:19 AM EDT
[#16]
I thought this was a joke at first... All of the Win USA 5.56 i've shot has been top notch although I haven't shot any of it manufactured recently. If this is true I'm going to be disappointed in Winchester; a huge company such as that shouldn't have widespread QC problems even in a crisis.
5/28/2013 8:27:38 AM EDT
[#17]
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I thought this was a joke at first... All of the Win USA 5.56 i've shot has been top notch although I haven't shot any of it manufactured recently. If this is true I'm going to be disappointed in Winchester; a huge company such as that shouldn't have widespread QC problems even in a crisis.


they kinda seem a little over powered.
5/28/2013 9:57:52 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
This stuff is just poop. I would hold steel to a higher standard this this stuff. Tons of FTF/ FTE. I have never had any problems with any of my ARs tell I ran this stuff.
Anyone else use ether of this stuff?

http://<a href=http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8544/8856926822_7beaea44d7.jpg


Just got back from shooting both kinds in my new 6920
perfect function
5/28/2013 12:34:14 PM EDT
[#19]
I've shot a bunch of the white box in the past with no problems. Haven't tried any of the newer production lately.

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5/28/2013 3:17:59 PM EDT
[#20]
I couldn't even make it through a box and like the OP, I had several FTE's.  Everything else I fired that day functioned fine.....PMC, PPU, WPA.

I thought I was crazy.  Really didn't expect that based on past experiences with Winchester ammo.
5/28/2013 3:57:24 PM EDT
[#21]
The winchester made in Korea that i had is total junk, i've said it before, wolf is twice as good as that shit.
5/28/2013 5:24:03 PM EDT
[#22]
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I couldn't even make it through a box and like the OP, I had several FTE's.  Everything else I fired that day functioned fine.....PMC, PPU, WPA.

I thought I was crazy.  Really didn't expect that based on past experiences with Winchester ammo.


well at least I am not the only one.
5/28/2013 5:55:50 PM EDT
[#23]
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The winchester made in Korea that i had is total junk, i've said it before, wolf is twice as good as that shit.


Which is odd, because I find PMC to be fairly decent...
5/28/2013 8:46:55 PM EDT
[#24]
Funny as it costs a ton more then any other brand. (Your paying for the name)
5/28/2013 8:55:13 PM EDT
[#25]
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Funny as it costs a ton more then any other brand. (Your paying for the name)


paying for the malfunction drills.
5/28/2013 8:56:11 PM EDT
[#26]
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The winchester made in Korea that i had is total junk, i've said it before, wolf is twice as good as that shit.


Which is odd, because I find PMC to be fairly decent...


Never had a problem with PMC......hope it's not a sign of things to come
5/31/2013 10:54:18 AM EDT
[#27]
I had four rounds out of 1000 that misfired.  Good solid hits with nothing.



PMC M193.  The Ammo was mixed with different lots so I can't report the Lots Number.



Anyone have any problems like this with PMC?



-WAZ
5/31/2013 11:22:27 AM EDT
[#28]
I've shot a good amount of the stuff on the left and never had any issues.
5/31/2013 11:34:00 AM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:
This stuff is just poop. I would hold steel to a higher standard this this stuff. Tons of FTF/ FTE. I have never had any problems with any of my ARs tell I ran this stuff.
Anyone else use ether of this stuff?

http://<a href=http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8544/8856926822_7beaea44d7.jpg


I will not buy Winchester ammo anymore...

I bought 3 boxes of 9mm of the white boxes at walmart, the casings and primer were all different colors, and the bullets were set at different depths... I never shot it, emailed Winchester about it, never heard from them...

So no more business from me...

Let us know how they work for you...
6/1/2013 4:40:25 PM EDT
[#30]
Some of you guys need to check your rifles, I shot a bunch of the 5.56 WWB today with no problems what so ever.
6/2/2013 2:35:03 PM EDT
[#31]
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The winchester made in Korea that i had is total junk, i've said it before, wolf is twice as good as that shit.


Which is odd, because I find PMC to be fairly decent...


Never had a problem with PMC......hope it's not a sign of things to come


I hope it's not a sign of things to come either......

I' m either a Federal or PMC user.

I'll never use either Tula or Winchester..........
6/3/2013 12:59:20 PM EDT
[#32]
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Some of you guys need to check your rifles, I shot a bunch of the 5.56 WWB today with no problems what so ever.


I dont think 2 colts and a BCM could all bee broken...
6/6/2013 7:45:56 AM EDT
[#33]
The new Winchester USA sold at Wally World, in the new red, white and blue boxes is SHIT. Was giving me 5MOA+ in a rifle that shoots XM193 at under 2MOA. Same for the PPU I bought there a few months ago. I just hope I have enough legacy ammo from before the crazyness to last until the ammo companies get all the profit taking out of their system and produce decent ammo again. Likley a year from now...
6/6/2013 9:24:27 AM EDT
[#34]
Winchester had a recall on 62gr 5.56 M855 ammo a few months ago, but I don’t remember hearing anything about 55gr 5.56 White box. Here is what I found…
http://www.winchester.com/library/news/Pages/product-recall-556mm-m855.aspx


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The winchester made in Korea that i had is total junk, i've said it before, wolf is twice as good as that shit.


Which is odd, because I find PMC to be fairly decent...


996 rounds of PMC Bronze fired at a carbine class this past weekend without any problems. I’ve probably put about 2,000 + rounds of PMC thru the pipe this past year without a hiccup.
6/6/2013 10:19:03 AM EDT
[#35]
I've had issues with Winchester as well, but all the bad Winchester I've bought has come from Walmart. Never gotten any bad Winchester from my LGS. A co-worker with a Taurus Judge was telling me that there's an issue with Federal .410 rounds from Walmart not ejecting properly. Apparantly it's a common issue that comes up in the forums and it's only the Walmart Federal ammo that's doing it. I kknow Walmart is known for negotiating the lowest 'at-cost' prices, are ammo manufacturers selling sub-standard overseas production to Walmart? I don't seem to have these issues purchasing Winchester ammo from other 'big box' chains...
6/6/2013 5:25:58 PM EDT
[#36]
Never had any issues shooting any Winchester ammo fortunately.  Besides paying $12 something for it.
6/7/2013 7:57:35 AM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
I've had issues with Winchester as well, but all the bad Winchester I've bought has come from Walmart. Never gotten any bad Winchester from my LGS. A co-worker with a Taurus Judge was telling me that there's an issue with Federal .410 rounds from Walmart not ejecting properly. Apparantly it's a common issue that comes up in the forums and it's only the Walmart Federal ammo that's doing it. I kknow Walmart is known for negotiating the lowest 'at-cost' prices, are ammo manufacturers selling sub-standard overseas production to Walmart? I don't seem to have these issues purchasing Winchester ammo from other 'big box' chains...


mine has all been walmart too in the pic
6/7/2013 10:04:39 AM EDT
[#38]
I have run Q3130 white box with no issues

I actually picked up a box of the American Flag winchester last week. Compulsive buy at .50 a round.

WOrse case scenario i'll use the brass to reload.

What rifle are you using? Barrel length etc...
6/7/2013 10:22:50 AM EDT
[#39]
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I thought this was a joke at first... All of the Win USA 5.56 i've shot has been top notch although I haven't shot any of it manufactured recently. If this is true I'm going to be disappointed in Winchester; a huge company such as that shouldn't have widespread QC problems even in a crisis.


+1

I thought that stuff was the best you could get at Walmart.
6/7/2013 5:09:21 PM EDT
[#40]
Wait until you shoot some groups with it, i ain't making this up, wolf steel is twice as good.
Quoted:
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I thought this was a joke at first... All of the Win USA 5.56 i've shot has been top notch although I haven't shot any of it manufactured recently. If this is true I'm going to be disappointed in Winchester; a huge company such as that shouldn't have widespread QC problems even in a crisis.


+1

I thought that stuff was the best you could get at Walmart.


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