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Posted: 5/18/2012 11:08:18 PM EDT
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Bought 100 rds to see if it was that bad. Fired 90 rounds of Lake City and then loaded the Tula.
First round gets stuck in the chamber. Didn't have a rod along, so had to call it a day. Got home and it was really stuck, would not tap out. Finally sprayed Kroil on both ends and it popped free. I read something about shooting brass and steel during the same day. I thought the advice was shoot the brass first and finish with steel. Did I get this mixed up? Gun had 200 rds. of Lake City run before the Tula with no bore cleaning and no malfunctions. |
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a few weeks ago I shot about 450 tula/herters.
One piece of advice I can give from experience is not to shoot tula or steel casing ammo through a hot barrel. I shot about 4-5 mags in rapid, the next mag i had a FTE, the tula round was stuck in barrel, luckily the round did leave the chamber, had to "mortar" baack the BCG, strip the upper/lower apart once a few other AR owners came by one confirmed via flashlight the lead as gone and used a rod to push it out. What I've learned/done to prevent this again: 1. don't shoot steel in hot barrels. 2. don't be a cheap bastard even on plinking, I don't shoot steel ammo anymore 
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a few weeks ago I shot about 450 tula/herters. One piece of advice I can give from experience is not to shoot tula or steel casing ammo through a hot barrel. I shot about 4-5 mags in rapid, the next mag i had a FTE, the tula round was stuck in barrel, luckily the round did leave the chamber, had to "mortar" baack the BCG, strip the upper/lower apart once a few other AR owners came by one confirmed via flashlight the lead as gone and used a rod to push it out. What I've learned/done to prevent this again: 1. don't shoot steel in hot barrels. 2. don't be a cheap bastard even on plinking, I don't shoot steel ammo anymore I've never found that to be the case. If your gun can't shoot steel cased ammo, there's something wrong with it. All I shoot through my AR is steel cased ammo. |
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a few weeks ago I shot about 450 tula/herters. One piece of advice I can give from experience is not to shoot tula or steel casing ammo through a hot barrel. I shot about 4-5 mags in rapid, the next mag i had a FTE, the tula round was stuck in barrel, luckily the round did leave the chamber, had to "mortar" baack the BCG, strip the upper/lower apart once a few other AR owners came by one confirmed via flashlight the lead as gone and used a rod to push it out. What I've learned/done to prevent this again: 1. don't shoot steel in hot barrels. 2. don't be a cheap bastard even on plinking, I don't shoot steel ammo anymore ^^ THIS is good advice, especially # 2. Folks spend hard earned $ on a high $ gun and find the cheapest ammo to shoot thru it. I've never shot a rd of steel cased ammo thru any AR that I own, and I've owned 1 or more since 1979. Clean the chamber real good, give the steel cased ammo away to a friend, and stick with good quality brass cased ammo. I am not saying you won't have problems with brass cased ammo by no means, but it cuts down the % tremendously. Police up your fired cases, and if you don't reload, put them on the EE board, somebody will buy them once you get a bunch to sell. Hope this helps! |
Buy a GI type cleaning kit and always take it to the range with you. Stuck cases all the time with wolf mc. I just pop the case out with the cleaning rod then use the chamber brush. I bought a sizable amount of wolf mc some years ago before really knowing anything about it.  And now I'm not such a cheap bastard and buy brass. 
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I bought some tula from walmart to try it out too
Fired 2 or 3 mags rapid fire with no problems, load another mag and rounds kept getting stuck in the chamber...imo tula is garbage and I will never shoot it again Now I reload my own ammo, 2000+ rounds fired and not 1 malfunction |
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a few weeks ago I shot about 450 tula/herters. One piece of advice I can give from experience is not to shoot tula or steel casing ammo through a hot barrel. I shot about 4-5 mags in rapid, the next mag i had a FTE, the tula round was stuck in barrel, luckily the round did leave the chamber, had to "mortar" baack the BCG, strip the upper/lower apart once a few other AR owners came by one confirmed via flashlight the lead as gone and used a rod to push it out. What I've learned/done to prevent this again: 1. don't shoot steel in hot barrels. 2. don't be a cheap bastard even on plinking, I don't shoot steel ammo anymore ^^ THIS is good advice, especially # 2. Folks spend hard earned $ on a high $ gun and find the cheapest ammo to shoot thru it. I've never shot a rd of steel cased ammo thru any AR that I own, and I've owned 1 or more since 1979. Clean the chamber real good, give the steel cased ammo away to a friend, and stick with good quality brass cased ammo. I am not saying you won't have problems with brass cased ammo by no means, but it cuts down the % tremendously. Police up your fired cases, and if you don't reload, put them on the EE board, somebody will buy them once you get a bunch to sell. Hope this helps! So really your opinion on steel cased ammo doesn't mean much of anything. Not trying to be a dick, just saying. OP - Pick up one of these and your chances of having a stuck case will go way down. This spring should come standard on all ARs. http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Extractor-Spring-Uprade-Kit-p/bcm%20extractor%20spring%20upgrade.htm |
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a few weeks ago I shot about 450 tula/herters. One piece of advice I can give from experience is not to shoot tula or steel casing ammo through a hot barrel. I shot about 4-5 mags in rapid, the next mag i had a FTE, the tula round was stuck in barrel, luckily the round did leave the chamber, had to "mortar" baack the BCG, strip the upper/lower apart once a few other AR owners came by one confirmed via flashlight the lead as gone and used a rod to push it out. What I've learned/done to prevent this again: 1. don't shoot steel in hot barrels. 2. don't be a cheap bastard even on plinking, I don't shoot steel ammo anymore ^^ THIS is good advice, especially # 2. Folks spend hard earned $ on a high $ gun and find the cheapest ammo to shoot thru it. I've never shot a rd of steel cased ammo thru any AR that I own, and I've owned 1 or more since 1979. Clean the chamber real good, give the steel cased ammo away to a friend, and stick with good quality brass cased ammo. I am not saying you won't have problems with brass cased ammo by no means, but it cuts down the % tremendously. Police up your fired cases, and if you don't reload, put them on the EE board, somebody will buy them once you get a bunch to sell. Hope this helps! Yes, steel case is totally unreliable, please give it all away. IM me for shipping info....l 
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_16/543748_6_Days_of_Magpul___4000_rounds_of_steel_ammo____.html |
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a few weeks ago I shot about 450 tula/herters. One piece of advice I can give from experience is not to shoot tula or steel casing ammo through a hot barrel. I shot about 4-5 mags in rapid, the next mag i had a FTE, the tula round was stuck in barrel, luckily the round did leave the chamber, had to "mortar" baack the BCG, strip the upper/lower apart once a few other AR owners came by one confirmed via flashlight the lead as gone and used a rod to push it out. What I've learned/done to prevent this again: 1. don't shoot steel in hot barrels. 2. don't be a cheap bastard even on plinking, I don't shoot steel ammo anymore ^^ THIS is good advice, especially # 2. Folks spend hard earned $ on a high $ gun and find the cheapest ammo to shoot thru it. I've never shot a rd of steel cased ammo thru any AR that I own, and I've owned 1 or more since 1979. Clean the chamber real good, give the steel cased ammo away to a friend, and stick with good quality brass cased ammo. I am not saying you won't have problems with brass cased ammo by no means, but it cuts down the % tremendously. Police up your fired cases, and if you don't reload, put them on the EE board, somebody will buy them once you get a bunch to sell. Hope this helps! So really your opinion on steel cased ammo doesn't mean much of anything. Not trying to be a dick, just saying. OP - Pick up one of these and your chances of having a stuck case will go way down. This spring should come standard on all ARs. http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Extractor-Spring-Uprade-Kit-p/bcm%20extractor%20spring%20upgrade.htm Well, evidently it doesn't mean much of anything, just throwing out my opinion on the subject, just as you did....I could care less if you agree or not. I've shot plenty of steel cased ammo thru AK's, but none thru any AR that I own...never. I just don't care for it. As for you, knock yourself out, that's the reason there are different types of ammo for everybody to choose from. As for me, I'll stick to my reloading and occasional factory buy. 
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Tula white box or black box? I don't recall quite this many gripes about stuck cases and failures with Wolf when it was made at Tula. I've still got about 500 rounds of white box and I've had my share of stuck cases. I love steel cased ammo, but this brand just seems to be crap.
I'll pick up some Silverbear or new wolf next time. |
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This was new black box called Tulammo. .223 / 62gr.
Not the end of the world, but it did cut short the fun. I wouldn't mind pushing a stuck case out now and then. What concerned me was how bad it was stuck. Wasn't moving until I lubed it and then it came out pretty easy. Still have a couple thousand rounds of Lake City, so no big deal. Not buying any more, will try a different brand of steel in the future. |
| Went out Wednesday of last week with my wife and a buddy. After about 4 magazines had one that got stuck in the chamber very, very tightly. Couldn't get it out without a heavy coating of CLP. While I knew what I was getting into, I doubt ill ever buy Tula again. |
| The Tula is the same as the old black box Wolf, which seemed to be the one that gave people the most problems. Wolf WPA is now made at the same factory as Bear (Brown/Silver) and should be good to go. I've had very good luck with the Bear ammos. I've shot a limited amount of the old Wolf and Tula with no problems, but have shot probably >5000 rounds of the Bear with very only a couple of issues. |
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I've repeated this story many times here on Arf.com, but my family and I have fired around 10,000 rounds of Russian steel case ammo through our various ARs over the years. Most of it was the old green-cased Wolf 55gr. FMJ, fired through my daughter's 1978-era Colt SP-1, my son's parts-gun CAR-15, and my parts-gun A2. The only problems we've ever had was when my son's CAR-15 had the non chrome-lined barrel that came with the kit. After I swapped it out for a chrome-lined 1/9 Bushmaster 'pencil-barrel' his rifle ran 100%. For the sake of disclosure, the extractor in my daughter's SP-1 DID pack it in shortly after we started shooting Wolf, but the extractor was as worn as the fire control parts I had to replace right along with the extractor. I blame the total amount of wear on the entire gun(which was substantial, which explains why I got it so cheap..), not the ammo.....
For us the only part of the Russian ammo that gave us problems was not the lacquer coating, but the primer and case-mouth sealant. It would flake off and then mix with hot LSA or Break-Free and occasionally turn into sticky "boogers" in the bolt carrier. usually not enough to shut the rifle down but definitely enough to make cleaning a gooey mess. If the ammo works in your gun then shoot all of it that you can find. I wouldn't want to fight with Wolf unless it was all I had on hand at the time, but it's better than having to fight with your bayonet.....
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| i just got my first AR a few months ago, Ruger SR-556, and I have about 80 rounds of brass and well over 400 of Tula. Like said before if it works in YOUR gun, then by all means use it. I have not had one single FTF or FTE, and hold very very good groups with it. Do I have to spend a few extra minutes cleaning over brass, sure but those extra minutes are well worth the dif. in price over brass. I will stand by Tula until something catastrophic happens, till then, keep on shooting. |
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