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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Steel case FTE (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/7/2012 10:25:49 AM EDT
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Alright so, went down to the range today, it was the second time my first AR was being fired. Previously there was only 60 rounds of Remington UMC .223 through it. It ate up 120 rounds M855 green tip, and the first 30rd mag of steel cased .223 went through without any issues with either type. Somewhere in the first half of the second mag of of the steel cased, something went wrong.
I pulled the trigger and got a click, so I rotated the rifle and pulled the charging handle back so I could see inside the chamber, and sure enough there was a round in there.The bolt wouldn't go all the way home, so I couldn't separate the upper from the lower to work on it that way. I rack the charging handle several times but nothing, so I drop out the mag rack it a few more times. I inspected the round in the chamber closer and saw that the primer appeared to have been fired, but the extractor tore the edge of the casing. I wasn't sure what was wrong with it at this point, so I locked the bolt to the rear and put a cleaning rod down the muzzle of the gun, and tried to poke the casing out, it came lose a little, but the bolt slammed back forward and pushed the casing back into chamber. I tried pulling the charging handle back again, but the bolt won't move more than a quarter of a inch or so, and it's still too far back to pop out the rear pin and open it up. At that point I went pointed the rifle off to side, because I still wasn't sure if the round fired or not, and went around and picked up all my brass, put everything away and left. I dropped it off at the gunsmith near me because I didn't really want a live round in my house. It really has me thinking though, what went wrong? What can I do in the future with this sort of malfunction? Needless to say, I don't think I'll be running anymore steel cased through it. |
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what brand steel cased was it?" Tula is horribly known for this kind of issue, also you should never intermix steel and brass when shooting, only use one. It was Tula. In the future I won't be mixing them. the issue is that brass and steel expand differently and allow different ammount of fauling into the chamber. also get some wolf WPA and silver BEAR, your chances of that happening again will be much much smaller |
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Or buy brass and have the chance limited even more. LOL except steel is much cheaper at $180 per 1k vs $300 per 1k, there is nothing wrong with steel. go read the box o' truth 
Its on the internet so believe ME!!!! ha ha ha. I can't wait till the military switches to it then if its so awesome. If you want to shoot cheap get a .22 conversion or buy an AK, IMO. 
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I had the same issue, with Tulammo
However, I had 2 rifles with me my PSA m4 4150 and my Surplus Ammo M4 The PSA has shot everything...Tula, Rem, Federal, PMC both 223 556 yada yada yada. The surplus shot all Brass No problems first mag of Tula FTE every other shot. the case rims were ripped dented etc. the cases were logdged in there tight. Would I be using this ammo in a firefight no, but I hoped the second rifle would eat everything not the case. I shot mag after mag of Tula in the Psa nothing.... No more Tula even though it was less than 5 a box. |
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Or buy brass and have the chance limited even more. LOL except steel is much cheaper at $180 per 1k vs $300 per 1k, there is nothing wrong with steel. go read the box o' truth
Its on the internet so believe ME!!!! ha ha ha. I can't wait till the military switches to it then if its so awesome. If you want to shoot cheap get a .22 conversion or buy an AK, IMO. way to be childish and very ignorant. the box o' truth is full of insightful provent facts, the mods here will often refer people to it. but sure continue on being ignorant here since go read this http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=268 oh but wait, i forgot you dont believe things on the internet |
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Or buy brass and have the chance limited even more. LOL except steel is much cheaper at $180 per 1k vs $300 per 1k, there is nothing wrong with steel. go read the box o' truth
Its on the internet so believe ME!!!! ha ha ha. I can't wait till the military switches to it then if its so awesome. If you want to shoot cheap get a .22 conversion or buy an AK, IMO. way to be childish and very ignorant. the box o' truth is full of insightful provent facts, the mods here will often refer people to it. but sure continue on being ignorant here since go read this http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=268 oh but wait, i forgot you dont believe things on the internet Typical Arfcom 
Here is some first hand knowledge for you. 
That last few out of his second mag are Silver Bear. [youtube]  [/youtube]
I would rather shoot and see - then Google and say. If you love the stuff then power to you guy. |
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Or buy brass and have the chance limited even more. LOL except steel is much cheaper at $180 per 1k vs $300 per 1k, there is nothing wrong with steel. go read the box o' truth
Its on the internet so believe ME!!!! ha ha ha. I can't wait till the military switches to it then if its so awesome. If you want to shoot cheap get a .22 conversion or buy an AK, IMO. way to be childish and very ignorant. the box o' truth is full of insightful provent facts, the mods here will often refer people to it. but sure continue on being ignorant here since go read this http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=268 oh but wait, i forgot you dont believe things on the internet Typical Arfcom
Here is some first hand knowledge for you.
That last few out of his second mag are Silver Bear. [youtube]<a href="http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e237/amushooter10/?action=view¤t=SilverBearKeyHole.mp4" target="_blank">http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e237/amushooter10/th_SilverBearKeyHole.jpg</a>[/youtube] I would rather shoot and see - then Google and say. If you love the stuff then power to you guy. i remember that thread and the issue was his barrel. also i didnt get my info from google i can also say ive shot between 4-5k rounds of Wolf WPA and never had an issue. |
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http://theboxotruth.com/docs/edu18.htm
this is the link to box o truth And I agree, "I will continue to use conventional high quality ammo, and only use the Wolf for practice" Like test firing the rifle. again to each his own. |
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It was not his barrel. It was the SB ammo.
We had the same issue with that ammo when we shot it through Colt M4's, A2s, and a BCM and a RRA. And if you read that article YOU sent me it says in plain English, quote" Underpowered, Inaccurate, DIrty" And then list more specific problems. And it goes on about modifying your rifle to make it work with Wolf. That is good info, and there is a lot of good info on here. But you can get 1k for 265$ now a days of brass. That is also pretty cheap. To each their own, and if you love the stuff then have at! I applaud the guy for shooting at all. I wish more people would. Remember, SAME TEAM!! 
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http://theboxotruth.com/docs/edu18.htm this is the link to box o truth And I agree, "I will continue to use conventional high quality ammo, and only use the Wolf for practice" Like test firing the rifle. its all LIES, tis the interwebz so it must be true!!! Quoted:
It was not his barrel. It was the SB ammo. We had the same issue with that ammo when we shot it through Colt M4's, A2s, and a BCM and a RRA. And if you read that article YOU sent me it says in plain English, quote" Underpowered, Inaccurate, DIrty" And then list more specific problems. And it goes on about modifying your rifle to make it work with Wolf. That is good info, and there is a lot of good info on here. But you can get 1k for 265$ now a days of brass. That is also pretty cheap. To each their own, and if you love the stuff then have at! I applaud the guy for shooting at all. I wish more people would. Remember, SAME TEAM!!
I'm out. also never said it was the best or greatest, but its a good plinking ammo and is better IMO than a .22 since you get the same kick and feel of the rifle |
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I had the same issue, with Tulammo However, I had 2 rifles with me my PSA m4 4150 and my Surplus Ammo M4 The PSA has shot everything...Tula, Rem, Federal, PMC both 223 556 yada yada yada. The surplus shot all Brass No problems first mag of Tula FTE every other shot. the case rims were ripped dented etc. the cases were logdged in there tight. Would I be using this ammo in a firefight no, but I hoped the second rifle would eat everything not the case. I shot mag after mag of Tula in the Psa nothing.... No more Tula even though it was less than 5 a box. This one was an M4 style that I picked up from JSE surplus, so I really don't have much info on who manufactured any of the parts. I'll have to see if I can order some actual Wolf ammo online. I haven't been able to find it anywhere local, so I picked up some of the Tula just to see if my AR would eat the russian stuff before I invest in 1000 rounds of it. A dedicated 22 upper is for sure on my wishlist, though. |
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/snip also never said it was the best or greatest, but its a good plinking ammo and is better IMO than a .22 since you get the same kick and feel of the rifle True, wolf feels more like real 223/5.56 than a 22lr does. Plus you get really good at clearing malfunctions.
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/snip also never said it was the best or greatest, but its a good plinking ammo and is better IMO than a .22 since you get the same kick and feel of the rifle True, wolf feels more like real 223/5.56 than a 22lr does. Plus you get really good at clearing malfunctions. i can honestly say ive never had a malfunction going 500rnds per range trip |
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Or buy brass and have the chance limited even more. LOL except steel is much cheaper at $180 per 1k vs $300 per 1k, there is nothing wrong with steel. go read the box o' truth
Its on the internet so believe ME!!!! ha ha ha. I can't wait till the military switches to it then if its so awesome. If you want to shoot cheap get a .22 conversion or buy an AK, IMO. way to be childish and very ignorant. the box o' truth is full of insightful provent facts, the mods here will often refer people to it. but sure continue on being ignorant here since go read this http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=268 oh but wait, i forgot you dont believe things on the internet I think saying "there's nothing wrong with it" is a bit much. There ARE problems with it. If there weren't, you wouldn't see threads like this one. Yes it's cheap, and to some folks, that all that matters. But I don't drink cheap beer and I don't shoot steel-cased .223/5.56 ammo. And I don't worry about stuck cases. |
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Or buy brass and have the chance limited even more. LOL except steel is much cheaper at $180 per 1k vs $300 per 1k, there is nothing wrong with steel. go read the box o' truth
Its on the internet so believe ME!!!! ha ha ha. I can't wait till the military switches to it then if its so awesome. If you want to shoot cheap get a .22 conversion or buy an AK, IMO. way to be childish and very ignorant. the box o' truth is full of insightful provent facts, the mods here will often refer people to it. but sure continue on being ignorant here since go read this http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=268 oh but wait, i forgot you dont believe things on the internet I think saying "there's nothing wrong with it" is a bit much. There ARE problems with it. If there weren't, you wouldn't see threads like this one. Yes it's cheap, and to some folks, that all that matters. But I don't drink cheap beer and I don't shoot steel-cased .223/5.56 ammo. And I don't worry about stuck cases. Beer and ammo is very different. I dont go through 500 cans of beer a month, but i do go through 1k rounds of ammo a month. |
| I really wish everyone would stop shooting steel cased ammo....hopefully it would drive demand and cost down for me ;) I've shot plenty of the stuff in three different builds over 10 years....Model 1 Sales and Delton with no malfunction.....laquer and polymer coated cases. I'm even sitting on a few crates of beautiful brass cased 80's vintage Guatemalan IMG M193 type ammo with really no need to shoot it up since steel case is always good to go :D |
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Same thing happened to me... Mega lower, RRA upper, wolf steel cased ammo. Round didn't extract,, the rim was torn from the extractor, and the bolt wouldn't seat and when it did it took a lot of force to move it.
I put the charging handle on a hard surface and drove it back by leaning on the buttstock. Once the bolt was free of the stuck round it moved fine and locked to the rear easily. I shoved a cleaning rod into the muzzle and tapped on the end. It drove the stuck case out. A little elbow grease, a lot of CLP, and a chamber brush and the problem hasn't resurfaced. I'll be honest and say I haven't run several hundred rounds through my rifle since then because life seriously got in my way and prevented that but I have put a couple hundred. I'll try to use brass only as soon as the Wolf is gone. |
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I'm with sinlessorrow on the Wolf ammo...
Shooting Wolf lets me shoot around 60% more for the same amount of money vs brass, and that's a good thing IMO I don't understand the ammo snobbery when referring to RANGE AMMO.... geez... Its just going in the dirt or punching paper for crying out loud [:// I have been shooting about 90% Wolf ammo for practice for the last 6 years and have not had one single stuck case... I would totally understand the flaming if someone was using Wolf or Tula in the line of duty as a LEO or for TEOTWAWKI reserves, but that's not the case. I also don't understand the need for every member on here to post about every fucking stuck case they have with steel, everyone on here myself included know that when shooting steel cased ammunition you run the risk of a stuck case. If you cant bear the thought of a stuck case, don't shoot steel its that simple... |
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I'm with sinlessorrow on the Wolf ammo... Shooting Wolf lets me shoot around 60% more for the same amount of money vs brass, and that's a good thing IMO I don't understand the ammo snobbery when referring to RANGE AMMO.... geez... Its just going in the dirt or punching paper for crying out loud [:// I have been shooting about 90% Wolf ammo for practice for the last 6 years and have not had one single stuck case... I would totally understand the flaming if someone was using Wolf or Tula in the line of duty as a LEO or for TEOTWAWKI reserves, but that's not the case. I also don't understand the need for every member on here to post about every fucking stuck case they have with steel, everyone on here myself included know that when shooting steel cased ammunition you run the risk of a stuck case. If you cant bear the thought of a stuck case, don't shoot steel its that simple... Well there ya go! Also, when ya swab the bore, don't neglect the chamber.....brush that carbon buildup out.......I would feel unsettled if my rifles couldn't cycle both brass and steel ;) |
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I'm with sinlessorrow on the Wolf ammo... Shooting Wolf lets me shoot around 60% more for the same amount of money vs brass, and that's a good thing IMO I don't understand the ammo snobbery when referring to RANGE AMMO.... geez... Its just going in the dirt or punching paper for crying out loud [:// I have been shooting about 90% Wolf ammo for practice for the last 6 years and have not had one single stuck case... I would totally understand the flaming if someone was using Wolf or Tula in the line of duty as a LEO or for TEOTWAWKI reserves, but that's not the case. I also don't understand the need for every member on here to post about every fucking stuck case they have with steel, everyone on here myself included know that when shooting steel cased ammunition you run the risk of a stuck case. If you cant bear the thought of a stuck case, don't shoot steel its that simple... Well there ya go! Also, when ya swab the bore, don't neglect the chamber.....brush that carbon buildup out.......I would feel unsettled if my rifles couldn't cycle both brass and steel ;) Yeap,cleaning the chamber with a chamber brush and CLP between uses helps dramatically when shooting steel cased ammo,particularly.Dano in the troubleshooting forum has covered breaking in chambers and cleaning requirements in regards to steel cased ammo and tight dimensional chambers many times recently and in the past.Solid information and worth folks reading if they are so inclined. In fact I tend to run a chamber brush in the chamber every 300-400 rounds soaked with Break Free CLP aerosol when shooting Wolf.Takes about five minutes during a range visit. I prefer the older 62gr. FMJ Wolf lacquer coated for range fodder when I can find it.Ive yet to run into an issue with cases sticking in the chamber and I have not seen the need to increase extractor tension beyond what a Colt extractor spring and insert provides. Wolf USA does batch test the ammo they sell,and have a money back guarantee,with customer support based here in the USA,so if there is an issue they replace the ammo or refund your money.The other brands do not have this level support system available to us.Not to mention they have beenaround here for a looong time.Safest bet IMHO when buying bargin priced import ammo,steel or brass cased. |
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I'm with sinlessorrow on the Wolf ammo... Shooting Wolf lets me shoot around 60% more for the same amount of money vs brass, and that's a good thing IMO I don't understand the ammo snobbery when referring to RANGE AMMO.... geez... Its just going in the dirt or punching paper for crying out loud [:// I have been shooting about 90% Wolf ammo for practice for the last 6 years and have not had one single stuck case... I would totally understand the flaming if someone was using Wolf or Tula in the line of duty as a LEO or for TEOTWAWKI reserves, but that's not the case. I also don't understand the need for every member on here to post about every fucking stuck case they have with steel, everyone on here myself included know that when shooting steel cased ammunition you run the risk of a stuck case. If you cant bear the thought of a stuck case, don't shoot steel its that simple... Pretty much sums it up right here^^^ Keep shooting is the bottom line
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Yep....steel case is GTG for plinking, practicing, training....hell I even varmint hunt with steel cased hp's. I've NEVER had a single malfunction with steel cased and I've been through 4-5k so far....mostly monarch and wolf. I've fired very little Tula.
I thoroughly clean and lube my rifles after a few hundred rounds (usually over the course of a couple weeks here and there). Then rotate to another rifle. It's a little dirtier and a little less accurate. That is all. Oh, and this is from my personal experience, though teh dreaded interwebz seems to support us well on this. 
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I also don't understand the need for every member on here to post about every fucking stuck case they have with steel, everyone on here myself included know that when shooting steel cased ammunition you run the risk of a stuck case. If you cant bear the thought of a stuck case, don't shoot steel its that simple... I only posted about it because I was wondering if this was a common thing or if I had some weird monster malfunction. I'm not coming here to say how bad steel case was, I was just genuinely intrigued about what had happened with my rifle. |
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Or buy brass and have the chance limited even more. LOL except steel is much cheaper at $180 per 1k vs $300 per 1k, there is nothing wrong with steel. go read the box o' truth The prices I am seeing for steel are around 200-210 shipped per 1k. I have seen brass at $280-290. If you are willing to pick up your brass you can sell it and recoup 50-60% of the cost difference. |
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Steel casings are easier to police, a magnet works great. Although it's price at the recycling place is less. My range actually has a concrete floor in the shooting area, and the tula made a nice pile right at about 4 or 5 oclock. I'm thinking about getting into reloading my brass though, maybe save some money that way and still shoot full power 5.56. |
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Ok so just a quick Q? What should I be paying for Wolf? And where can I find this in stores without buying off the net? Ty Well, online you can find it for around $200 for 1k rounds, but you may have to pay a little extra if you shop local. I would start by calling around to sporting goods stores and gun stores that you're willing to travel to for ammo, and just ask if they have it. |
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i have one rifle that won't eat steel ammo. but the one i shoo the most (SBR) eats up every steel ammo i feed it. i am pretty happy about it. i also have decide to stick with single weight and brand (62gr WPA). i have not had a single failure in 2 guns i shoot it with in past 1500-2000 round range.
on my sbr, i shot only about 20 rounds of brass and other 1500+rounds are steel case. if it shoot the steel ammo.. why not.. i save money and allows me to shoot more and more fun. works for me. |
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i have one rifle that won't eat steel ammo. but the one i shoo the most (SBR) eats up every steel ammo i feed it. i am pretty happy about it. i also have decide to stick with single weight and brand (62gr WPA). i have not had a single failure in 2 guns i shoot it with in past 1500-2000 round range. on my sbr, i shot only about 20 rounds of brass and other 1500+rounds are steel case. if it shoot the steel ammo.. why not.. i save money and allows me to shoot more and more fun. works for me. Yeah. I really just want to shoot more, and accuracy isn't on the top of my list of priorities. I'll have to order some actually Wolf brand ammo online or check some more stores in my area, and try that. A little update on the topic, I just unloaded the rest of the mag that had the malfunction in it, and I had 29 left. I know that the rifle shot after I reloaded the mag, so it was only a FTE, and the round wasn't live. That makes me feel sooo much better. |
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i have one rifle that won't eat steel ammo. but the one i shoo the most (SBR) eats up every steel ammo i feed it. i am pretty happy about it. i also have decide to stick with single weight and brand (62gr WPA). i have not had a single failure in 2 guns i shoot it with in past 1500-2000 round range. on my sbr, i shot only about 20 rounds of brass and other 1500+rounds are steel case. if it shoot the steel ammo.. why not.. i save money and allows me to shoot more and more fun. works for me. Yeah. I really just want to shoot more, and accuracy isn't on the top of my list of priorities. I'll have to order some actually Wolf brand ammo online or check some more stores in my area, and try that. A little update on the topic, I just unloaded the rest of the mag that had the malfunction in it, and I had 29 left. I know that the rifle shot after I reloaded the mag, so it was only a FTE, and the round wasn't live. That makes me feel sooo much better. AIM has WPA for cheap. http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=21&name=.223%2f5.56x45 |
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i have one rifle that won't eat steel ammo. but the one i shoo the most (SBR) eats up every steel ammo i feed it. i am pretty happy about it. i also have decide to stick with single weight and brand (62gr WPA). i have not had a single failure in 2 guns i shoot it with in past 1500-2000 round range. on my sbr, i shot only about 20 rounds of brass and other 1500+rounds are steel case. if it shoot the steel ammo.. why not.. i save money and allows me to shoot more and more fun. works for me. Yeah. I really just want to shoot more, and accuracy isn't on the top of my list of priorities. I'll have to order some actually Wolf brand ammo online or check some more stores in my area, and try that. A little update on the topic, I just unloaded the rest of the mag that had the malfunction in it, and I had 29 left. I know that the rifle shot after I reloaded the mag, so it was only a FTE, and the round wasn't live. That makes me feel sooo much better. AIM has WPA for cheap. http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=21&name=.223%2f5.56x45 Thanks. They're gonna email me when its back in stock. |
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i have one rifle that won't eat steel ammo. but the one i shoo the most (SBR) eats up every steel ammo i feed it. i am pretty happy about it. i also have decide to stick with single weight and brand (62gr WPA). i have not had a single failure in 2 guns i shoot it with in past 1500-2000 round range. on my sbr, i shot only about 20 rounds of brass and other 1500+rounds are steel case. if it shoot the steel ammo.. why not.. i save money and allows me to shoot more and more fun. works for me. Yeah. I really just want to shoot more, and accuracy isn't on the top of my list of priorities. I'll have to order some actually Wolf brand ammo online or check some more stores in my area, and try that. A little update on the topic, I just unloaded the rest of the mag that had the malfunction in it, and I had 29 left. I know that the rifle shot after I reloaded the mag, so it was only a FTE, and the round wasn't live. That makes me feel sooo much better. AIM has WPA for cheap. http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=21&name=.223%2f5.56x45 Thanks. They're gonna email me when its back in stock. i can only recommend the WPA branded wolf. black box wolf was made by the same guys as tula. the new WPA is made by the guys who make bear |
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Ok so just a quick Q? What should I be paying for Wolf? And where can I find this in stores without buying off the net? Ty Well, online you can find it for around $200 for 1k rounds, but you may have to pay a little extra if you shop local. I would start by calling around to sporting goods stores and gun stores that you're willing to travel to for ammo, and just ask if they have it. Thanks I will look into it. Ill buy a few boxes just to see how it goes with my ST Carbine. I know it will shoot it, but after reading horror stories (I know its the internetz) I do not want to take many chances messing my rifle up. |
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i have one rifle that won't eat steel ammo. but the one i shoo the most (SBR) eats up every steel ammo i feed it. i am pretty happy about it. i also have decide to stick with single weight and brand (62gr WPA). i have not had a single failure in 2 guns i shoot it with in past 1500-2000 round range. on my sbr, i shot only about 20 rounds of brass and other 1500+rounds are steel case. if it shoot the steel ammo.. why not.. i save money and allows me to shoot more and more fun. works for me. Yeah. I really just want to shoot more, and accuracy isn't on the top of my list of priorities. I'll have to order some actually Wolf brand ammo online or check some more stores in my area, and try that. A little update on the topic, I just unloaded the rest of the mag that had the malfunction in it, and I had 29 left. I know that the rifle shot after I reloaded the mag, so it was only a FTE, and the round wasn't live. That makes me feel sooo much better. AIM has WPA for cheap. http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=21&name=.223%2f5.56x45 |
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I've shot a lot of steel cased ammo and never had a problem. I have seen stuck cases in oth er people's guns once or twice. stuck cases can be a real bitch to clear.. sometimes it gets in there pretty good. i have one gun that cannot spit out empty steel case.. after about 100 rounds.. it gets worse and worse and it wil fail to eject the casing about 10% of the time. then i feel some brass.. and shoots like a champ.. obviosly, this one does not get shot much, because brass is expensive! i got bravo enhanced extractor, and it does not help.. |
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I am not sure why nobody has asked if his barrel is SS?
SS barrels will stick to steal cases whyle Chrome and chromolly do not usually have a problem. I have to use only brass in my stainless barrels because steal cases get stuck EVERY time. My other barrels shoot steal cases just fine. I keep seperate mags in a seperate ammo can for my stainless barrels and have it labeled accordingly. |
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There are two issues with steel cases in .223/5.56, (and a BUNCH with Tula!). First, steel does not have the elasticity that cartridge brass does, so steel cases do not expand to obturate (seal) the chamber as well as brass cases do, so there is always some soot deposited on the neck of a steel botlenecked rifle case. Second, the profile of the .223/5.56mm case is not very tapered, so that soot can grab the neck and shoulder and cause plenty of resistance to extraction. Those are the ONLY issues with "steel cases."
SOME manufacturers of steel-cased .223/5.56mm ammunition are significantly worse than others. Tula is an example; they are renowned for weak loadings and dirtier than usual powder, so not only is there more soot, there is LESS POWER behind the extraction, which can lead to sticking. For the record, I've noted that Barnaul's .223 loadings (as in the "Monarch Steel" stuff sold through Academy Sports) are nice and snappy, and I've shot thousands of rounds of this through NATO chambers with zero problems. Barnaul is (apparently) the manufacturer of the current "Wolf Performance Ammunition" or WPA Wolf being sold right now, and so far there is little negative to talk about with this stuff. (Tula used to make the legendarily bad Wolf black box crap...) And I suspect that Hornady's steel cases for .223 are also made by Barnaul, though I don't have any proof... So in short steel-cased ammo requires a trivial amount of extra attention (if you want the gun to run with ANY steel-cased ammo, you cannot be a "I never clean my rifle" guy), but crappy, weakly loaded ammo is still crappy, weakly loaded ammo, no matter what the cases are made of. |
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