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Posted: 8/27/2010 2:18:50 AM EDT
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Federal appears to offer two varieties of their .223 on stripper clips in cardboard sleeves, 900/case.
One is AE223AF and the other XM193AF. The XM193AF is more expensive. Is the XM193AF the XM193 we have known and loved for almost 10 years now? And the AE223AF is simply American Eagle .223, which is not loaded to the M193 spec? That is, lower velocity, probably not tar sealed? |
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Muzzle on AE is 3240 FPS just about or the same as M193. Did you do your own chrony work or are you just saying what is listed on the boxes or their website?????????????????? I just purchased a quantity of both and will probably be going to the range on monday to test it with my chrony. I will post some info once I get it done |
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Muzzle on AE is 3240 FPS just about or the same as M193. Did you do your own chrony work or are you just saying what is listed on the boxes or their website?????????????????? I just purchased a quantity of both and will probably be going to the range on monday to test it with my chrony. I will post some info once I get it done Thanks. I would be interested to hear the velocity figures. I see that AE as more plinking / target and the XM as SD ammo. I think either would be decent choice for bulk SHTF storage, especially on the stripper clips. YMMV- 4073 |
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Muzzle on AE is 3240 FPS just about or the same as M193. Did you do your own chrony work or are you just saying what is listed on the boxes or their website?????????????????? I just purchased a quantity of both and will probably be going to the range on monday to test it with my chrony. I will post some info once I get it done I getting the info from Federal Balistics page of their website. Velocity in Feet per Second (To nearest 10 FPS) Velocity Load No Caliber Muzzle 100 Y 200 Y 300 Y 400 Y 500 Y AE223 223 Rem. (5.56x45mm) 3240 2874 2536 2222 1931 1667 |
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That's misleading on their website. It's either a .223 loading or a 5.56 loading. They can't just say .223 & then have (5.56X45) added to it. Because it's not the same thing. It's not misleading but it sure is confusing. The round is listed as .223 commercial ammunition. Federal doesn't even list their 5.56 military specs loads on the website. No mention of M193 or M855. I will agree with you their packaging is confusing as hell though. In the past the American Eagle brand was just .223. Now Federal packages A&E .223 and 193 & .223 tactical in the same box with the labeling changed. It reminds me of the old loose packed PD ammo. Some said it was fine, others said it was seconds (floor sweepings) etc. It was labeled training use only. I don't think we ever got an answer as to what PD stood for. I for one have been buying IMI M193 & M855 lately. At least I know what it is. |
| Federal's site regarding XM193> http://www.federalpremium.com/resources/xm193.aspx |
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Thanks Grady. This must be new to the site. The last time I searched it really well was a couple or five years ago when all the fuss was being made about the PD classification of the ammo. At that time there was nothing listed on balistics of M193 or M855. 
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Muzzle on AE is 3240 FPS just about or the same as M193. Did you do your own chrony work or are you just saying what is listed on the boxes or their website?????????????????? I just purchased a quantity of both and will probably be going to the range on monday to test it with my chrony. I will post some info once I get it done I getting the info from Federal Balistics page of their website. Velocity in Feet per Second (To nearest 10 FPS) Velocity Load No Caliber Muzzle 100 Y 200 Y 300 Y 400 Y 500 Y AE223 223 Rem. (5.56x45mm) 3240 2874 2536 2222 1931 1667 [/quote Federal probably tested xm193 out of a 16" carbine and the AE223 out of a 22 or 24" barrel, thus resulting in similar velocities. |
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Federal probably tested xm193 out of a 16" carbine and the AE223 out of a 22 or 24" barrel, thus resulting in similar velocities. From this link a few posts up regarding XM193: • INSTRUMENTAL VELOCITY: 3165 +/- 40 FPS (78 feet from muzzle) using a 5.56 test barrel, 20" long Whether or not this is to believed is another matter. Marketing and Engineering often fail to see eye-to-eye in several industries. |
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I would like to chime in, as I have shot plenty of both XM-193 and AE223. AE223 hits approximately 1.5" to 2" lower from the bench (slow fire) than its XM-193 counterpart. The difference can be more or less pronounced depending on lot to lot variations, shooting rate, my condition (am I tired or fresh), barrel heat, shooting using irons Vs. optics, etc. There is also a difference in lateral point of impact - I have a few ARs and generally the AE223 hits 1" to 1.5" to the right of the XM-193. Again, the difference in lateral POI also varies depending on conditions described above.
From unsuported or awkward shooting conditions, I can't see the difference in POI between the two loads - but that's because I just suck at it 
I can definitely tell the difference between the two loads just from the report and the gun's impulse. The XM-193 has definitely more of a "thump" than the AE223. In my opinion, if I was on the budget (and I am), I'd get a few hundred XM-193 as my bulk self defense load against mutant Martian zombies. For practice and fun, I'd get .223 loads that would cycle my ARs - that way I don't have to "drive open throttle" all the time using the XM-193. |
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That's what I figured. There is no way XM-193s can be just "floor sweeping, production over runs, blems, etc etc". Just look how many tens of millions of those things are floating around out there. To have that many "floor sweeping / production over runs / blems", that got to be one of the worst disaster in manufacturing history. It's not like we manufactured hundreds of millions of M-193 for the military recently. |
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