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Posted: 10/26/2008 7:15:53 PM EDT
| Well I went to the range today and blasted through about 400rds of Wolf with only two FTE. I am thinking no big deal since it was range ammo but then it happened. My Colt AR6721 would not do anything. A friggin spent casing was stuck in the chamber and would not come out. I had to take it home and ram it out with a cleaning rod. I have about 200 rds left but so will be needing more ammo soon. Any suggestions for range ammo?????? I have heard stories about the Wolf and never thought it would happen to me but.......I was wrong. |
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I have had 2 rounds of Wolf stick in my RR out of the last 500 rounds of the stuff down the pipe. They stuck while being fed...so unfired.... I could not phsically pull the charging handle back to get them out, but instead had to whack the butstock on the ground to loosen them up. Upon checking with a dial indicator, the neck was a bit oversized...I wrote the numbers down in my shop but don't have them in front of me. I still have the two offenders sitting on the shelf. |
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Shot 400 rounds through my AR with a Noveske barrel on Saturday, without a problem. Instead of blaming it on Wolf, maybe we should blame it on sub par guns. In the same matter, my Model 1 ran fine with the stuff. The "WOLF IS DA DEBIL!" sentiment is getting pretty annoying around these parts in reality. |
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Most of the time, top quality barrels with tighter tolerances than the standard grade stuff will choke on wolf.
At the same time, if you shoot wolf THEN switch to brass, it will get stuck a lot quicker. I don't shoot wolf much because of the crud it deposits in a hot barrel in the chamber area. For blasting it's fine as long as you clean out the chamber after a few hundred rounds at the most. Look into Silver Bear ammo too. Cheap still and has no 'poly-crap' to melt in your chamber. I've been shooting Silver Bear in my AR15's, STG-556, Mini14, AK, etc..etc.. |
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I use to be a Wolf believer until I tried to use it at a training course. I had a couple FTE and changed to my backup handloads that I brought just to be safe. My issue with Wolf has been with round left in a HOT chamber it will FTE when fired and out comes the rod.
Fire off 10 or 15 rounds then have to stop for whatever reason for even 10 or 15 sec with a round in the chamber and I have stuck round I now consider Wolf to be blasting ammo at best and only if you empty the mag or fire a very slow string. My personal theory based on what I see on the case when it is driven out is as follows: YMMV The steel case is not sealing the chamber tightly enough to prevent carbon build up on the chamber walls. The hot chamber, carbon and steel's natural reaction to heat to expand combine to "glue" the round into the chamber. Some folks blame the Poly coating but the gunk I am seeing on the case that is driven out is carbon pure and simple. I have pulled a bullet on a Wolf case, emptied the powder and put a heat gun on it. The poly coating never turned into the what I was seeing on the cases I have to drive out and the cases that were extracting prior to the FTE showed no signs of poly being removed ETA: The upper is a LMT 16" M-4 chrome lined barrel with a LMT BCG Further ETA: If it works for you great, no hard feelings and by all means use it. I am just relaying my problem with it. |
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Why do people buy the most expensive, accurate AR they can get their meaty hands on and TOLERATE cheap ammo? These people are only fooling themselves with WOOF...ah...WOLF. I bought some Military Classic for a tactical shoot with my Bushmaster (20"). There were a few stages where I shot a couple of 20 round mags. Maybe not enough to overheat the chamber, but I had no problems (250 rounds for the day total). |
| MINIMUM of 20,000 rnds threw full auto colt, with 10" and 14" barrels and never a single problem. Shot the laquered and poly stuff. I love the shit. If your $700 gun wont shoot it send it to me, my $13,000 gun will, whats that tell you? Maybe its the gun, not the ammo. My RRA AR15 alos has never had a problem, or ANY of the guns i shoot it threw. I dont understand what the deal is. |
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My first stuck case was also at 400 + rounds. I try to swap out to brass every other mag or so. FAIL! Shooting brass cased ammo prior to Wolf will cause a steel casing to get stuck in the chamber. It has something to do with brass expanding more in the chamber where as the steel cases do not expand like the brass casings do. I have 6 AR that are complete and have shot plenty of wolf without cleaning. Never really had a problem. My "beater" AR (RRA entry tac) has seen multiple thousand rounds of Wolf with no cleaning or lube and the gun is perfectly reliable. |
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Negatory Ghost Rider!
You can shoot all of the brass cased ammo you want BEFORE shooting ANY brand steel cased ammo. Do NOT shoot brass cased ammo after shooting steel cased ammo until you have thoroughly cleaned the chamber. It has been said many, many times ad-nauseum. Steel cases do NOT expand to seal the chamber allowing soot to be blown around the case, the soot builds up, eventually causing a failure to extract. Since brass cases DO expand, when you have dirtied your chamber firing steel cased ammo, the brass cases will become stuck, usually ripping the case head off the case. The steel case ammo will also eventually FTE. You would think by now that this would be common knowledge. Fire 200-300 rounds, spray your chamber out with brake cleaner, re-lube the bolt/carrier and go back to shooting. Besides that, it is an AR, the worlds only self-dirtying battle rifle. You must keep them clean. |
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I've put 800rds of wold through one my ar's with out cleaning it and i've NEVER had a FTE or a stuck case. NEVER... i've put 3 cases (3K rounds) of wolf 62gr. through my AK101 and i still haven't cleaned it. it just got to where it is starting to gum up the bolt area... How do all of you guys have so many problems with wolf? I've NEVER had problems with it. even when shooting it in race gun AR's... are you guys keeping your guns oiled? |
Just ordered a bunch from AIM. Good stuff. 
The Box O' Truth: Shooting Wolf steel-cased Ammo in an AR15 
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I have been at the range on two seperate occassions and seen the dude shooting next to me have a Wolf round break off in his chamber. That was enough for me to take the Wolf pledge.... "I will never shoot Wolf through my weapons."
Glad it's working for some of you. I just think it's important to shoot a quality round through weapons that you care about. |
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i don't get it....
I've put 800rds of wold through one my ar's with out cleaning it and i've NEVER had a FTE or a stuck case. NEVER... i've put 3 cases (3K rounds) of wolf 62gr. through my AK101 and i still haven't cleaned it. it just got to where it is starting to gum up the bolt area... How do all of you guys have so many problems with wolf? I've NEVER had problems with it. even when shooting it in race gun AR's... are you guys keeping your guns oiled? My ears are bleeding.... please clean your guns. 
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i don't get it....
I've put 800rds of wold through one my ar's with out cleaning it and i've NEVER had a FTE or a stuck case. NEVER... i've put 3 cases (3K rounds) of wolf 62gr. through my AK101 and i still haven't cleaned it. it just got to where it is starting to gum up the bolt area... How do all of you guys have so many problems with wolf? I've NEVER had problems with it. even when shooting it in race gun AR's... are you guys keeping your guns oiled? My ears are bleeding.... please clean your guns.
I've got 20 AK's and 9 AR's... I keep all of them clean. unless I am trying to push them to failure. I was shooting each to see how much I could shoot it before I had to clean it out. MP5 did not last very long....... |
| I have invariably used Wolf in four or five mags and winchester white box or radway green or federal in four or five more, everytime I have taken my two Bushy ARs to the range. I even tested at 100 yards the inherent accuracy of each against the other shooting from a bench. I have never jammed a round or casing in either AR, and also have shot a few boxes of Wolf through a CMP carbine I got last year, and through both my CZ75 and Springfield 1911. Yes, I clean every weapon that I fire after each and every trip to the range. Thats what 'uncle' taught me to do, so thats what I will continue to do. So far so good, and I do not think that I am tempting the fates. |
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i don't get it....
I've put 800rds of wold through one my ar's with out cleaning it and i've NEVER had a FTE or a stuck case. NEVER... i've put 3 cases (3K rounds) of wolf 62gr. through my AK101 and i still haven't cleaned it. it just got to where it is starting to gum up the bolt area... How do all of you guys have so many problems with wolf? I've NEVER had problems with it. even when shooting it in race gun AR's... are you guys keeping your guns oiled? My ears are bleeding.... please clean your guns.
Why? My Colt gets cleaned about every 3-5k and I've never had a problem. I think obsessive cleaning causes half the ammo issues people suffer from 
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Quoted: Quoted: i don't get it....I've put 800rds of wold through one my ar's with out cleaning it and i've NEVER had a FTE or a stuck case. NEVER... i've put 3 cases (3K rounds) of wolf 62gr. through my AK101 and i still haven't cleaned it. it just got to where it is starting to gum up the bolt area... How do all of you guys have so many problems with wolf? I've NEVER had problems with it. even when shooting it in race gun AR's... are you guys keeping your guns oiled? My ears are bleeding.... please clean your guns. My newly built A3 fired 880 rounds of Wolf Black Box before the gunk caused failure to extract. I clean them perfect after each range session and I alwasy get up to 800 to 1k before I have problems. Clean, Lube, Shoot, Clean. It is really simple. I also don't understand how so many people complain about Wolf. It works great for me and my 4 mutt rifles and my friends M16. |
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kinda of new to the ar world just bought my first tuesday. it has a stainless varmit barrel is the wolf ammo ok for it. Probably not. Bull barrels tend to be .223 or WYLDE chambered for accuracy, and those chambers tend to have extraction issues when used with wolf. Most of my rifles have no issues with Wolf, but the two with WYLDE chambers will get FTEs if they're not clean and well lubed when shooting wolf. |
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I went to the range today to sight in my deer rifles and brought along my Busmaster because I wanted to try the Eotech at 100yds.
The target was the full-size B-27 target, the ammo was Wolf Military Classic polymer (55gr) and was shot with the Eotech at 100yds leaning across the bench. I was high and to the left when I began but after moving the appropriated clicks on the Eotech the last 25rds or so where centered on the target. Wolf may not be the best ammo, but for the price and quite decent accuracy, I'll take it. My Bushmaster is proably at about the 2k round mark with the Wolf with not one single failure to feed, fire or extract. 
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I have never used much Wolf in my ARs, it was the only thing I feed the AKs though, other than surplus...I don't ever recall more than a couple of FTF...
If it was really that terrible, why would they still sell metric tons of it in the US? I'd imagine there would be a massive boycott, or factory recall if it waas as bad as some make it out to be...But I understand there are those that would never fire steel cased ammo through their weapons...to each his own...got to respect that! BTW, does their .45 ACP have a better reputation overall? I fire brass because I hope to start reloading one day, or I give my brass to someone that does reload on the day we go to the range together... It does kind of bum me out that some people don't police their empties if they are Wolf though  Pick 'em up, keep the range clean! JMHO
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Most problems with Wolf I have seen are related to improper lubrication... it is a little dirtier than most, so you need a little more oil than most to keep things running well long-term.
Still... A can say first hand a good AR will go through 200 rounds of Wolf completely dry with no problems. |
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