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9/24/2008 3:32:02 PM EDT
Saw it at WalMart Federal 100rd Value Pack 55gr for 39.97 not a great deal. I checked the box and it had no performance information on it. ONLY marking found 223B.
????? Anybody?
9/24/2008 3:36:45 PM EDT
[#1]
There are two different casings on this load--FC 08 and LC.  I have not chronied mine, but I wonder if they will have two different velocities like the AE and their 2 cases.

LC cases will be good for reloads.
9/24/2008 3:56:37 PM EDT
[#2]
I saw some boxes of it at my Walmart too.  Not a great price but not too bad either if it is decently loaded stuff.  I'm curious to see reports of how it performs.  
9/24/2008 5:59:03 PM EDT
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Saw it at WalMart Federal 100rd Value Pack 55gr for 39.97 not a great deal. I checked the box and it had no performance information on it. ONLY marking found 223B.
????? Anybody?


I saw the same thing at the local wally world here in ok.  Right next to the box of 200 Fed. .223 for $76.87. Better deal by $3.00 or so.  and The 200 ct box I got was all LC cased.

my .02 worth
9/27/2008 4:18:23 PM EDT
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There are two different casings on this load--FC 08 and LC.  I have not chronied mine, but I wonder if they will have two different velocities like the AE and their 2 cases.

LC cases will be good for reloads.


I bought 2 of these 100 round boxes last night at my local ChinaMart...I mean WalMart.  While loading my mags up later, I noticed that one box was full of the FC 08 cases and the other box had the LC cases complete with NATO cross.  Is the LC stuff .223 or 5.56????  Would'nt it be 5.56 with the NATO cross?

9/27/2008 4:41:42 PM EDT
[#5]
Im wondering how it works too, since work just gave me a few Maomart giftcards.
9/27/2008 5:55:40 PM EDT
[#6]
I bought 7 packs of it, I've shot 150 rounds of it so far without an failures.  Seems to be very clean and accurate.  I like it, I've got a .30 cal ammo can full of it. Good ammo if you don't want to buy xm193 online or use nasty wolf ammo.
9/27/2008 8:12:45 PM EDT
[#7]
I never managed to get the local WMs to carry the 200 round packs, but one of them now has these new 100 round packs.  I've followed up with the manager to see if they can still add the 200 round boxes to inventory, but no response yet.

I bought one box but haven't been able to get to an outdoor range in a while so no info on how it works.

9/28/2008 3:13:55 AM EDT
[#8]
well that would be a damn good pirce for Hawaii.. but walmart does not even sell ammo here..
9/28/2008 3:21:05 AM EDT
[#9]
I wish my local wally world had the 100 or 200 round value packs instock, they sell them, but the Va members always buy them up before I get there
9/28/2008 5:48:01 AM EDT
[#10]
I don't think that there will be too much of a chrony difference between the LC/Nato+ and the FC 08 brass cased 55-gr A/E ammo, since it's all .223 stuff, not a 5.56mm load.
9/28/2008 6:33:52 AM EDT
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I don't think that there will be too much of a chrony difference between the LC/Nato+ and the FC 08 brass cased 55-gr A/E ammo, since it's all .223 stuff, not a 5.56mm load.


Well-maybe not.  I  will be interested to see how this turns out. The LC will hopefully turn out to be equivalent to xm193 which has been full powered , fairly accurate and have great brass for reloading . The old AE load (although reportedly made in the same plant) was somewhat lowered power , pretty crummy accuracy and the brass was only worth picking up for scrap. Many reports of this FC headstamped AE brass having serious problems on the first or second reload. Sone claim light thickness of the brass , Some claimed it was soft .

It has been working well for me in that lots of the casual Ar shooters at my club have been using these 100 packs and I have been grabbing up lots of the brass
9/28/2008 7:34:08 AM EDT
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The Federal cased ammo runs right at 2850 fps out of my 16" SS barrel. Havent tried it out of my CL barrels yet. They generally run 40-50 fps slower than the SS barrel.
9/28/2008 4:55:57 PM EDT
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Can anyone tell me if the LC cased ammo with the NATO cross is really 5.56?  The box says .223 but I've never heard of .223 ammo with a NATO cross...???

9/28/2008 5:13:05 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Saw it at WalMart Federal 100rd Value Pack 55gr for 39.97 not a great deal. I checked the box and it had no performance information on it. ONLY marking found 223B.
????? Anybody?


Yep I saw those today also at my local Foo-Mart also. Luckily I stocked up about 3 years ago on SS109 and M855 ammo, and a few thousand rounds of good target ammo also, so I really did not give it much thought since I was buying other ammo that was not in that caliber. Maybe someday they won't have any U.S. stuff, just Wolf or something else.

Also I have fired alot (2k+) of Wolf, mostly 62 gr FMJ, through 2 of my 3 Bushmasters, and I have never noticed it being that much dirtier or any other problems. And since being in the Army, I just about always spend at a minimum of 2.5 hours cleaning what ever Bushy that I fired anyway. That is one thing the Army ingrained into me, get my weapons clean and spend hours doing it, even though I don't have any inspections or an armorer thats a hard-ass. I actually enjoy cleaning my AR 15s.

Here is a target from a brand new M4s Aimpoint that I bought from LaRue Tactical a few weeks ago. This was it's first zero on a brand new M4A3 type Bushmaster w/ 16 inch barrel. The bottom target was all 62 gr Wolf ammo
9/28/2008 7:38:45 PM EDT
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Can anyone tell me if the LC cased ammo with the NATO cross is really 5.56?  The box says .223 but I've never heard of .223 ammo with a NATO cross...???



I am betting that the LC cases are just commercial reloads using those cases--the FC is all new.  So, that nato cross does not signify a true M193 load.


What I was getting at with my initial post about the 2 different cases/loads:

American Eagle by Federal came in 2 different cases:  LC(reloads) and new FC.

The velocities were as follows:  16" barrels--M193 (~ 3000fps) > AE LC case (~2900fps) > AE FC case (~2800fps)

My thoughts are that these new value packs may have similar velocity spreads.
9/29/2008 1:07:40 PM EDT
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So, that nato cross does not signify a true M193 load.


Thanks, that's what I was wanting to know.

9/29/2008 1:30:00 PM EDT
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ATK runs Lake City and owns Federal. They are just using some LC cases. It is not reboxed xm193.
10/3/2008 5:10:19 AM EDT
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Thanks for the heads up.  I went to 3x local Walmarts to look for these and finally found them at the last one.  $39.97/hundred pack seems a pretty good deal for Federal brand.  I am awaiting delivery of my first AR (Noveske N4 Light Recce Low Profile 16") delivering to my FFL on Monday. So I am stocking up on ammo to head to the range.  

Can someone recommend an online place where the prices are better than $39.97/hundred?  

The indoor range where I will go first to get to know my AR only allows US made ammo.  Wolf locally sells for $6.99 which is cheaper; however, I not fond of their brand when I used 9mm/.45.
10/3/2008 5:30:03 AM EDT
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I did find on

http://www.natchezss.com/

Federal NATA XM193 for $6.99/20
Remington $6.49/20

I will probably pickup some of these.
10/3/2008 3:08:51 PM EDT
[#20]
Reloaders beware.I have had and still have some Federal bulk pack from wal-mart.
It shoots fine for plinking etc..
Check the primers my 1st pack was lake city brass but all primers where off centered.
10/3/2008 4:04:00 PM EDT
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Can someone recommend an online place where the prices are better than $39.97/hundred?  

The indoor range where I will go first to get to know my AR only allows US made ammo.  .[/quote

There are several vendors who have better .223/5/56mm prices than what you paid.  Fiocchi (USA) often can be found for less, but with the range Nazis you've encountered the name would probably confuse them into thinking it was foreign.

Maybe you could call up your junior US Senator & have him explain it to them, I'm sure he knows as much about ammo as he does about everything else!      
10/3/2008 7:12:43 PM EDT
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I bought some. You can't tell until you open the enclosed white boxes, which headstamp is inside. The white boxes are glued shut. Fine for plinking. I don't reload, so Black Hills is my range ammo.  My local fun store has 5 boxes (ie 100) of Remington for $45. You never know  what the deals are til you look around. If I was buying 1000 rounds at once, I'd consider mail order, but I'm in WM every week anyway.
10/4/2008 9:41:56 PM EDT
[#23]
I bought from the Natchez online store: $6.99/c Federal XM193 5.56 & $6.49/c PMC .223 which is cheaper than the local Walmart stuff.  
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