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12/13/2007 11:23:48 PM EDT
Can I get some help on IDing these rounds?..............I already know the orange is tracer.
left to right
purple-'91LC
green/pink-'69LC
green-'65FA
white-'66FA
tracer-'91LC
12/14/2007 3:40:57 AM EDT
[#1]

The green is duplex, for sure.
I believe the green over pink is dim-tracer.
Purple is stumping me completely.
White,  umm...seems like, a short range load maybe, but I just don't recall. I do have some in my collection but am spacing out on exactly what they are right now. .
12/14/2007 3:48:57 AM EDT
[#2]
#1 has a brown tip and is a GREEN tracer. Made for spec. ops. use during "Desert Storm" to confuse the enemy into thinking they were being fired upon by their own people.
There is also a purple tipped round from this same era that is a "starlight" tracer, but the color is much lighter and more obviously purple. Usually seen linked 1:10 for use in the "minigun" on helicopters.

#2 is a "starlight" tracer. Invisible to the naked eye, you must be wearing NVGs to see. There are several color combinations to mark this load, but they ended up settling on purple (see above).

#3 is a "duplex" load, XM-256 IIRC. Two 71gr. projectiles seated in tandem. Very successful but never fully adopted or mass produced.

#4 is a "low recoil" ball load. XM-???. Uses the same "first" projectile as the "duplex"load.

D.D.
12/14/2007 3:56:19 AM EDT
[#3]
...Oh yeah, the white tips are 'low recoil'. I knew it was something like that.
12/14/2007 5:01:38 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
#1 has a brown tip and is a GREEN tracer. Made for spec. ops. use during "Desert Storm" to confuse the enemy into thinking they were being fired upon by their own people.
There is also a purple tipped round from this same era that is a "starlight" tracer, but the color is much lighter and more obviously purple. Usually seen linked 1:10 for use in the "minigun" on helicopters.

#2 is a "starlight" tracer. Invisible to the naked eye, you must be wearing NVGs to see. There are several color combinations to mark this load, but they ended up settling on purple (see above).

#3 is a "duplex" load, XM-256 IIRC. Two 71gr. projectiles seated in tandem. Very successful but never fully adopted or mass produced.

#4 is a "low recoil" ball load. XM-???. Uses the same "first" projectile as the "duplex"load.

D.D.


#3: '65 FA is the clue. U.S. 7.62x51mm duplex was standardized on 7 May '64 as Ball-Duplex M198 with (2) 80-84gr. steel jacketed FMJ bullets @2750FPS. The bottom bullet has a 9 degree angle on the base to give it dispersion. It tested to be very effective and was mass produced as boxed ammo for the M14/M21/bolt rifles and belted ammo for M60 use. But I have yet to find anyone that had personally used it in combat. I have several boxes of '65 FA M198 and John M. Miller has a cut-away example in his collection.

                                                    Carey
12/14/2007 7:46:56 AM EDT
[#5]
By the way, FA was a US plant same as Lake City.  Seems like it was in PA or someplace like that. closed about 1976
12/14/2007 8:14:12 AM EDT
[#6]

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By the way, FA was a US plant same as Lake City.  Seems like it was in PA or someplace like that. closed about 1976


From Wiki:

During the presidential campaign of 1976, vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale stood in front of the Frankford Arsenal and promised that it would remain open. The Carter/Mondale ticket won the election but the promise was not fulfilled; the arsenal closed for U.S. government use in 1977.


This is something to remember with the fast approaching election year.

                                               Carey
12/14/2007 8:39:58 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
By the way, FA was a US plant same as Lake City.  Seems like it was in PA or someplace like that. closed about 1976


From Wiki:

During the presidential campaign of 1976, vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale stood in front of the Frankford Arsenal and promised that it would remain open. The Carter/Mondale ticket won the election but the promise was not fulfilled; the arsenal closed for U.S. government use in 1977.


This is something to remember with the fast approaching election year.

                                               Carey


So you are suggesting that its possible they would close LC?  LC the only remaining US gov't ammo plant in the US, a plant who has been at 100% production for years.  I highly doubt it.
12/14/2007 8:59:26 AM EDT
[#8]

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Quoted:

Quoted:
By the way, FA was a US plant same as Lake City.  Seems like it was in PA or someplace like that. closed about 1976


From Wiki:

During the presidential campaign of 1976, vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale stood in front of the Frankford Arsenal and promised that it would remain open. The Carter/Mondale ticket won the election but the promise was not fulfilled; the arsenal closed for U.S. government use in 1977.


This is something to remember with the fast approaching election year.

                                               Carey


So you are suggesting that its possible they would close LC?  LC the only remaining US gov't ammo plant in the US, a plant who has been at 100% production for years.  I highly doubt it.



I said nothing of the sort, thank you very much. Just remember what the candidates promise vs. their actions after they take office.

                                             
12/14/2007 9:16:41 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
By the way, FA was a US plant same as Lake City.  Seems like it was in PA or someplace like that. closed about 1976


From Wiki:

During the presidential campaign of 1976, vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale stood in front of the Frankford Arsenal and promised that it would remain open. The Carter/Mondale ticket won the election but the promise was not fulfilled; the arsenal closed for U.S. government use in 1977.


This is something to remember with the fast approaching election year.

                                               Carey


I,m kinda curious what they actually still make at Rock Island and LC other than ammo ..........75% of our small arms are made by FN now (note that all you over zealous US worshippers)
12/14/2007 10:58:44 AM EDT
[#10]

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Quoted:

Quoted:
By the way, FA was a US plant same as Lake City.  Seems like it was in PA or someplace like that. closed about 1976


From Wiki:

During the presidential campaign of 1976, vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale stood in front of the Frankford Arsenal and promised that it would remain open. The Carter/Mondale ticket won the election but the promise was not fulfilled; the arsenal closed for U.S. government use in 1977.


This is something to remember with the fast approaching election year.

                                               Carey


I,m kinda curious what they actually still make at Rock Island and LC other than ammo ..........75% of our small arms are made by FN now (note that all you over zealous US worshippers)


Well LC only makes ammo and items related to storing and shipping that ammo.  IE  bandoleers, links, crates, etc...  That's pretty much all they ever made.  Other than apparently the made some caskets during WW2.
LC never made any small arms.  
12/14/2007 11:00:38 AM EDT
[#11]

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Quoted:
By the way, FA was a US plant same as Lake City.  Seems like it was in PA or someplace like that. closed about 1976


From Wiki:

During the presidential campaign of 1976, vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale stood in front of the Frankford Arsenal and promised that it would remain open. The Carter/Mondale ticket won the election but the promise was not fulfilled; the arsenal closed for U.S. government use in 1977.


This is something to remember with the fast approaching election year.

                                               Carey


So you are suggesting that its possible they would close LC?  LC the only remaining US gov't ammo plant in the US, a plant who has been at 100% production for years.  I highly doubt it.



I said nothing of the sort, thank you very much. Just remember what the candidates promise vs. their actions after they take office.

                                             


My bad. You could have just said,  "all politicians regardless of party are liars" that would have been a better statement.
12/14/2007 11:20:16 AM EDT
[#12]

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By the way, FA was a US plant same as Lake City.  Seems like it was in PA or someplace like that. closed about 1976


From Wiki:

During the presidential campaign of 1976, vice presidential candidate Walter Mondale stood in front of the Frankford Arsenal and promised that it would remain open. The Carter/Mondale ticket won the election but the promise was not fulfilled; the arsenal closed for U.S. government use in 1977.


This is something to remember with the fast approaching election year.

                                               Carey


So you are suggesting that its possible they would close LC?  LC the only remaining US gov't ammo plant in the US, a plant who has been at 100% production for years.  I highly doubt it.



I said nothing of the sort, thank you very much. Just remember what the candidates promise vs. their actions after they take office.

                                             


My bad. You could have just said,  "all politicians regardless of party are liars" that would have been a better statement.


If I am ever in need of someone to prepare statements for me, I will let you know.
12/14/2007 11:22:58 AM EDT
[#13]
Jeff,

  Here is a link to Land Warefare Systems.  An unclassified site that will allow you to identify eveything from a 223 round to tank if it is NATO or American made.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/index.html

Kevin
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