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Posted: 6/14/2007 1:37:27 PM EDT
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I've re-created all the missing posts in the ammo review thread and added the archived comment so that non-Team members can read them. The big exception right now is the WOLF thread. This is rather unfortunate, since it also is the most asked about ammo too. There are 19 pages of reviews, and I don't have the time right now to add all those comments. Here's where I would be VERY appreciative if some of you guys could help out: 1) Look at the other threads, and you can see how I formatted the cut-and-paste comments. 2) Whoever has the time, reply in this thread and say "I'm doing page number X" before doing anything so that others don't duplicate your work. 3) Go to the archived thread and gather the comments folks have made. Omit anything that isn't an actual review. 4) Scratch that on #4. Apprarently, IMs cut off at a certain character count. Just paste the results in a reply in this thread along with the page number. That would really help me out. Thanks guys. Here's a sample of the format I'm looking for: pdm Seems my results are similar to others who've tried this ammo: GOOD STUFF!! Ammo: 55 gr Wolf Polymer bbl: 16" RRA Total of 500 rds fired without cleaning. Zero Failure to feed or fire. No problems at all. The chamber area appears clean (for 500 rds!) No more of the red crap present. Recoil similar to IMI 193. No science here.... I fired a mixed mag and could not tell the difference. Not tested for accuracy. Bought 4K from Sportsmans Guide. Total with memebership was approx $370.00 to the door. Price is great and the ammo is very acceptable, especially for speed work. My 193 goes on the shelf for a rainy day. Good shooting, all Paul dfm Spent a week shooting rabbits/coyotes in eastern Nevada during the holidays. Finished off 500 rounds of the old Wolf, blasted through a 1000 round case of the new polymer-coated stuff. No problems with either and that was after leaving both in the truck overnight with the temperature around -10. ... |
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I'll do pages 1 - 5. Page 1 sent by IM Page 2 Waldo I tried the new 62gr today. Worked for me, but the old stuff did also. Personally, I don't care if anyone else likes it or not. SkiandShoot Added another vote for Used and had ZERO problems. I shot 250 rounds of the new stuff: 16" Fulton armory non chrome lined barrel. Ate it up like candy wanting more. 250 rounds of the new stuff: 20" Bushmaster chrome lined. It couldnt get enough. Had to put the rifle down due it being too hot to shoot! Will definetely be buying more soon. Waldo Another update. I just fired 150 rounds of it in a 24" varmint AR in -2* temps. No probs. Stemmler I shot 150 rounds each of 55 and 62 grain with a Bushmaster Varminter. No problems what so ever, I was very happy with how it shot and experienced no problems. Collin 240 rounds, really really cold day...15 degrees and snowing. No problems with the 62gr fmjs I'm sure that some Happyshooter Cut and pasted from my report in another thread: Today I picked up two small packs of wolf .223 at the Birch Run fun show, one each of the 55 and 62. I braved the cold and snow to shoot off 100 of the 62 at my club's rifle range. I did all shooting at 50 yards because the 100 yard path through the snow was not well tramped. Three shot group (front and rear bagged) was under an inch. Thirty rounds from one mag, also off the bags but semi-fast fire, went into less than 4. I used my fulton which has given me problems with regular wolf before, but does okay with silver bear. No function problems at all. Cases feel slick to the touch. Another shooter, who is a real sub-inch nut (bolt guns and sub-minute--note he was at the range during cold and snow) said it felt to him almost like the cases were molyed. Note: I bought and shot the FMJ. The seller also had wolf HP in poly cases, but it cost more and I didn't get it. Gartchen 1,000 rounds - ZERO problems. 500 ish through a RRA Std M4 500 ish through a RRA Std A2 at 50 yards - 1-2 inches no problem. I get that with the Green stuff from my AK also. Delivered for $101.00 from Sportmans Surplus (w/coupon). Another 2,000 on the way. Finally can afford to really go out and shoot my AR's now. It's all good. Usually shoot Q13 winchester - so this is great!! good luck MTNmyMag I shot about 300 rounds of the Wolf P 223 55 grn fmj today seemed decently accurate plinking cans, rocks and empty hulls. No failures to extract or any problems. Did not seem to burn as dirty or stink as bad as the Old style wolf did. I fired all rounds through a "parts rifle" RRA and Bushy mix 16" A2 Car Midlength post ban ejection was snappy to the right and back. end page 2 begin page 3 go8dalejr Bought 500 rds from SG 0 problems other than my rifle looked like it was sprayed with graphite powder. Accuracy ok around 3moa will use it for blasting if I can't find anything close to it's price thats cleaner. Forgot to post colt6400c 55grfmj. Wheelgunner I bought 2000 rounds on faith at San Francisco Cow Palace gun show. Wolf "P" 55 grain HP. Olympic M4gry SS barrel. About 120 rounds fired. Location, Chabot gun club, plinking range. I would have shot more but a little boy about 10 was curious about AR, I told him its kind of same as a mini 14 but looks different. Asked him if he wanted to try it. He was a little hesitant at first but tried it after permission of his adult in charge. He shot it from the small bench, he was to small to pick it up. Make a long story short, He took over my bench and I did not get to shoot as much. No problems what so ever! Note: With this gun I could not get through 20 rounds of the "old lacquered" stuff without a problem. Before it would not go into full battery because case stuck partially in chamber. I used to have to hit the feed assist pretty hard 3 times to get the bolt to close. There was no way I could open the bolt. The lacquer ammo was purchased last year. I ended giving the rest of the 1K rounds to my buddy that has no problems with it in his Oly 16" Heavy Barrel. Again no problems what so ever. Even bump fired 20 rounds, NO problems. Still went through 1/2 inch mild steel plate at about 40 yards, same as Fed XM193. I don't know about accuracy since I was at plinking range, but it hit everything I shot at. Even the 10 year old hit just about everything he was aiming at. Dan HELOBRAVO Went out today and tried my new Wolf .223 ammo. I fired seven thirty round magazines of 62gr fmj poly coated rounds. I got them from cheaper than dirt. The tech support guy knew what i was looking for and even verified there was a "P" printed on the case. I had absolutely no problem with these rounds. My shooting was no worse than using S.A. battlepack or Israeli made rounds. Rounds were left in the chamber while I did other things with no "sticking" in the barrel. I'm buying 1000 more soon. sled_999 1) Wolf polymer (62gr, HP) 2) RRA upper/lower, A2, 16" stainless barrell 3) 100 rounds fired i had 4 failures to feed in the 100 rounds i fired--always on the last round. one round that failed to feed had a fold/crease in the neck--something i've never seen before. i found one spent round that was cracked. i did not inspect them all. dirty also, mucked up the chamber. needless to say, i'm disappointed. i ran 200 rounds of winchester Q3131A 55gr with the same mags before the wolf and had no problems whatsoever. i don't think i'll be using the wolf for plinking anymore. i find it odd that it was always the last round. is the is a mag spring issue? shotar Shot it, loved it. It works, Its good. In fact I notice slightly more bump than the old stuff. I shoot only wolf for social occaisions and have never had a problem in my rifle with new or old. I think this batch I just hit the 9k rounds mark. I think out of that I have perhaps had 4 failures of any kind that were related to dud rounds. FULLMAGTAP Chronoed both SA battlepack and polymer wolf. Heavy Metal was right on the money with wolf being way underpowered. Setup: 44 degrees fahrenheit 14ft from muzzle 16" bushmaster barrel Results: SA battlepack3072fps+3083fps Wolf (polymer)2817fps+2755fps Reciever end of gas tube is worn. Looking at it how it would be facing you when you're shooting the ring is well defined except from just before 6 o'clock to 9 o'clock going clockwise. It is completely worn off smooth and blended into the undercut area. holidaypf I tried the polymer coated 55 gr. jhp this Saturday. I fired 200 rounds through my flat top AR that has a 1 x 10 Oly SUM barrel. About 65 percent of the shots went into a 3 inch group at 100 yards and the rest flung unpredictably within about an 8 inch circle. I had zero malfunctions. I've only fired Wolf ammo in my sks rifles, which has me thinking they could be much more accurate than I had thought. I'll have to try some better ammo in them. I suspect that the problem with the Wolf ammo, and I call that kind of shooting a problem, is inconsistent bullets. Some of the hollow points were quite a bit different looking than others. My flattop has a 20 power scope and I shot it off of a caldwell rest in the front and sandbags in the rear. The rifle shoots 1 to 2 inch groups with Black Hills Remanufactured 55 gr fmj and various handloads I use. The only "P" I found was in the blue serial number stamped on the inside of the boxes. I picked up the ammo at Cheaper Than Dirt in Fort Worth. They have 500 rounds for 60 bucks and it comes in an ammo can. I guess it might be worth the price if you want cheap stuff to practice your breathing/trigger control with but don't care about hitting anything other than your backstop. NEtracker Well, I got to the range for 2 hrs of much needed therapy Sat. afternoon. I fired my M1 & BM M4gery. This was the first time I tried the "new" Wolf polymer coated 55gr. stuff. I usually shoot the Federal XM193, which is very accurate for me, with the carry handle sight. I found that the Wolf is definitely more tame, and not as loud as the XM193 (no chrony, but it seems Wolf is slower). Started off with some boxes of XM193, then I cycled 100 rnds of the Wolf, and had no issues. It is no dirtier than shooting the XM193 from what I observed. Wolf seems like good & cheap plinking ammo, not very accurate; I'll need to try more. MEH92 Ammunition: Wolf 55gr FMJ poly coated Gun: PWA lower, BM 16" A3 upper, chrome 1/9 Sight: Aimpoint ML2 Magazines: 20 and 30 round military contract (mixed) I just finished my second trip to the range and have become a believer in the new Wolf poly-coated ammunition. Until now all I have used is S&B 55gr and Federal XM193. Both worked superbly but I was curoius about the new Wolf offering. After 460 rounds I had multiple failures to feed with two specific 30 round military contract magazines. I had no other problems with any of my other 30 rounders and zero malfunctions with any of my 20 rounders. I segregated those two 30 rounders and loaded them with my standby Federal XM193 and had no malfunctions. Maybe these two mags just aren't compatible with the Wolf. I ran out of ammo or I would have loaded them up again to see if the problem repeated itself. I'm going to test them next trip to the range. Other than those two magazines the Wolf preformed flawlessly. It ejected neatly into a small pile (about 4' diameter). It does not seem nearly as hot as the Federal XM193. When firing them back-to-back there is a noticible difference in recoil and report. It is no dirtier than the Federal and it seems much cleaner than the S&B. It also does not stink like the S&B. Accuracy is not up to par with the Federal XM193. I shot a few groups at 50 yards from a seated position resting the gun on a blanket. I'm no sharpshooter but the groups were fairly representative of my ability and I didn't have any called flyers. The Federal grouped 4 rounds in 1.28" loading the first round from a magazine. The Wolf grouped 5 rounds in 3.43" loading the first round from a magazine. Point of impact was generally about 1" lower than the XM193. I didn't expect the Wolf to be as accurate but it's just fine for practice. All-in-all I'm very pleased with the new Wolf ammo and will use it again for close-up practice ***************************** UPDATE I had a chance to shoot it today. The gun was a little on the dry side and there were a several failures to go into battery. I oiled the gun and it worked just fine. I shot about 300 rouns without failure after oiling it once. The round definitely does not seem nearly as hot as NATO 55gr fodder. My friend's 10-year-old shot it for a few magazines and it malfunctioned a few tims, once failing to extract and twice failing to go into battery. The boy is young and the A1 stock is too long for him. He had to mount the toe of the stock over his shoulder so there was no steady base for the gun to recoil upon. When using Federal M193 and Winchester Q3131A the gun worked fine using this technique. I think that the underpowered ammo needs a firm hold to operate my gun reliably. repub18 I had many problems with the new Wolf ammo. Every 5 or so rounds failure to feed it got real annoying real fast. I had used all my mags and the same problem I just dont think the new wolf is hot enough for the bolt to push the next round into the chamber. It always got stuck while trying to push the next round in. I was using a New Bushmaster Dissapator with all brand new Labelle Teflon Mags. end page 3 begin page 4 frisco Working on my 5th case of 55gr FMJ in my M16...no problem so far, other than getting real dirty....(I don't clean my 16 that often, other than the bolt/carrier group.) 388' ASL, Temp 68-70 F, 10' from muzzle FanoftheBlackRifle 100 rounds 62gr FMJ through my bushmaster in a2 config one fail-to-feed, but that was due to a crappy mag (feed lips bent pretty badly after it was knocked off the table) i'm happy with it for plinking ammo Dan-357 Just got 500 rounds last weekend at the gunshow, 55 gr FMJ. Shot 100 rounds yesterday though my AR, 16" model 1 upper with a free floated stainless steel barrel, and tromix lower. No failures at all. I'll save my XM193 for a rainy day, and I will certainly be buying more of this for my plinking needs. drjdog5150 Bushmaster 16" ;Just shot 500 rounds without a single problem, this new ammo is almost identical to the old S&B steel case stuff...I never had a problem with that stuff and I look foward to not having any problems with this new wolf, will be a repeat customer! Also, I have only used wolf through my AK and I have only had one fail to fire in 3000 rounds, seems some people just don't wanna give steel cases a fair shake... markmcjunkins I just got back from the range and had ammo related malifunctions. The ammo used was wolf poly 55gr fmj. My Bushmaster has over 5000 rounds of Federal XM193 and South African surplus and I just shot a match that was 60 rounds with no problems. The mags I used today where the same mags I used Saturday for the match. I had two bolt ride overs and the bolt would not lock back on the last round of the mag. I did not break out the chronograph. I believe this ammo will chrono slow. It underpowered in my limilted range use. The tempeture out at range time was 45 degrees. I suspect the preformance will be better when it warms up. I'm not going to quit using it unless it wont function this summer. I fired 20 rounds and had the 2 bolt ride overs. 10% failure. ar15seeker Over 500 rounds fired with no problem at all, even works well in my early Pro Ord Carbon-15. Most shot with a Bushy 14.5" CAR, and some with a Bushy 20" V-Match. 62 grain seems under powered, 55 grain seems fine. Accuracy good enough to tear up soda cans at 50 yards. TxLewis Team Member it was good enough for me to buy another 2000 rounds this week. Shot about 700rds through my 16" rockriver with busy ulw barrell. any problems were mag related. (range only mags) When you're gonna shoot 1000 rds in two days for nothing but plinking and bumping, $85/K beats the heck out of $165/k TXL 00_buckshot Firearm: Bushmaster XM15-E2S Barrel Length: 16" HBAR, 1/9" Twist, Chrome Lined Sights: Aimpoint Comp ML2 Ammunition: Wolf Polymer 55gr. FMJ, Lot P186-04 Rounds Fired: 200 All 200 rounds were fired without any problems. My Bushmaster fed, extracted and ejected without any signs of trouble. The bolt hold also engaged ever time on the last shot for all 7 magazines. Six of the seven magazines were Thermolds and functioned 100%. Accuracy is shitty at best. I was able to get a 1" or under 3 shot group @ 50 yards from time to time but could not do it on a consistent basis. Grouping was averaging 4"-5" at approx. 75 yards. Good ammo for plinking but not anywhere close to the accuracy and consistency of XM193 and Q3131A. However, for 40% less of the cost of the other two mentioned it's worth it. The good thing about this ammo besides it's cost is I don't have to worry about collecting the cases after shooting. chp5 I got some "new" Wolf ammo and had many FTE's in my Bushy - the same rifle that digested 5,000 rounds of the "old" Wolf .223 with no problems. I called Wolf and they told me they had some early runs of the new stuff that was underpowered. They paid to ship the ammo back to them and sent me a new case. The new case works 100%. Good customer service and good/inexpensive practice ammo. Go buy some and actually shoot that safe queen!! End page 4 Begin page 5 JoeInCT Bought 100 rds each of 55gr and 62gr FMJ Saturday just to try it. Sunny 65 gusty wind. DPMS Classic A2 20" HBAR open irons at 100 yds with about 5,000 rds thru it to date. Rifle hadn't been cleaned after the last two range sessions totaling about 600 rds. Only bore-snaked the barrel. No functioning issues. Tried it out with GI 20, ProMag 20, and DPMS 10 mags. Cooler than S&B M193 and Fed XM193 ammo shot for comparison. Had been avoiding Wolf, not sure I wanted to subject my rifle to steel and lacquer. But the poly ammo worked fine; however couldn't get any feel for accuracy due to wind conditions. At $3 per box, OK for blasting on a budget. Will have to wait for better conditions to decide on accuracy issue. UPDATE Have gone thru about another 500 rds. Two days were dead calm. Accuracy results? I can hit the target at 100 yds, but as long as I don't expect much from it, I'm not disappointed. Also find it much dirtier than almost everything else, rifle needs a real cleaning job after using it, sometimes while using it. Had one case stick in the chamber, when I popped it out with a cleaning rod, it was filthy. Quick chamber cleaning and she worked OK after that. Evil_Ed I posted this also in the hometown forums.. I'll paste it here as well: -------- Thumbs up. Fired off about 300 rounds of SA M193 surplus and decided after my SP1 and M4gery had been warmed up enough, proceeded to dump another 200+ rounds of Wolf through them. NOTICABLY less thump, different (but not bad; not that cat urine) smell. Not something I'd carry as duty ammo, but for practice, no problems. All my problems were failures to chamber, and they were all magazine-related (damn Orlites!). Other than that, no problems. All rounds fired, no hangfires, all rounds extracted (to the same nice pile, usually), and no gunk in the chamber. It seemed a little dirty to me, but that's ok. (Dirt measured by the gunk under the extractor on all cleanings...yes, I clean the extractor...) It cleans up pretty easily with q-tips and hoppes where possible, and a quick scraping with a bore brush if not. The steel/polymer doesn't seal as well as brass does, but that's known. --------- My range ammo will generally be Wolf from now on, while my current go-to is Q3131A. I haven't tested it for accuracy, but I'm not the worlds most accurate shooter after a night out drinking, so it wasn't in the test criteria star2323 I fired a couple 100 more rounds of the new poly wolf this weekend. I had lots of problems. This stuff is way underpowered. Half of the time the bolt was not blown back far enough to completely engage the trigger and it would fire off 4 or 5 rounds full auto. Anybody else seen this problem? markmcjunkins I've had pretty good results with this ammo and finished getting my newest carbine together. I shot this at 300 prone not bipod or bags. Aimpoint ML2, 22m68 with cant. ext., RRA mid-lenght 16", ARMS 40A2. I did ok with the irons but I'll shy away from posting that spread. Wolf 55 gr. FMJ poly. Upper 70's lots of wind varying and gusts to 15 mph. TheKnack RRA 18" Varminter- 200 rounds of the new polymer Wolf. Had two FTF because of low powered loads but it could also be the weapon since it is still fairly new....however IMI, Federal and Black Hills function 100%. Also noted a couple two round bursts for whatever reason. Accuracy was decent for cheap priced ammo. 2-2-1/2" 5-shot groups at 100 yards with a scope. Black Hills 68 grain averages 1/2-1", IMI 55FMJ=1-2", Federal 55FMJ=1-2-1/2". Barrel twist is 1-8". While cleaning I was impressed with the low amount of residue present. Will keep buying it because of price for plinking only. Semper Fi woodenword 55-grain FMJ, 20-inch ASA, 500 rounds. No problems experienced, I pull the trigger, it goes boom. But, I never had any problem with the laquer-coated stuff. tallgrass I will never again buy this ammunition. My brother and I bought 1000 rounds. We both have original A1 uppers from the HP. The ammunition seemed severely underpowered. The bolt carrier is not blown far enough back to properly strip/feed the next round. I tried several series of Hotshot/Wolf/Federal/Winchester and always had a problem when the wolf round was fired. The stuff is inexpensive but not worth the headache. For those who like Wolf I be leaving more for you from now on. tonymel19 Just purchased 1500rds of 55gr FMJHP and 500rds 62gr FMJ. 1) Used 55gr FMJHP 2) Bushmaster XM15-E2S 1/9" 16" BBL 3) 500 rounds fired My friend and I fired all 500 rounds within a 1 hour sitting and had no failures whatsoever. Groupings were decent shooting at 50 yards, but definitely not the best. Quite acceptable! I paid $280 for the 2000 rounds at my local dealer, which comes out to $.14 per round. I would definitely buy more of these for plinking and save the Federal XM193 from Lake City for a rainy day. Tony MudBug I guess I'll add that I also bought 1000 rounds of the Wolf polymer from Sportsmansguide.com a couple weeks ago. I fired about 300 rounds through my newly built 16" carbine with one FTF. Since this is my first AR, and the first ammo I've shot through it, I have nothing to compare it to exept my other rifles and pistols, no other 5.56mm though. I'm happy with it as plinking ammo, the price is great and it performance is fine. TimPack I went through 500rds of the 55gr this weekend and they were all flawless. No FTF. I was using my Annv Bushmaster modular. The accuracy isnt as good as the Win white box, but its still a decent 3inch group at 100yards, prone with a cheap hologram scope. I also tried 300 rds of PCA ammo, and it too was great. I even left one ion the chamber for 10 minutes, no probs there. the accuracy was better than the wolf, but not alot, and it was much easier to carry in the leg mag holder. KClapp I bought 1000 rounds of Wolf polymer .223 55gr. FMJ from our local Gander Mountain for $117.65. That included the 5% local sales tax and the 10% discount they give on more than 10 boxes. I shot 100 rounds this weekend. 88 degrees and about the same humidity. RRA 16" R4 chrome lined barrel. USGI 30 round mags. No malfunctions whatever. It'll do for plinking. Carbine_Man I bought 2,000 rounds of the new Wolf polymer-coated 62gr. FMJ ammo at the Charlotte gun show last Saturday. Fired 180 rounds through my favorite AR15 (pictured in my avatar at left.) Rifle is 16" Bushmaster superlight barrel with Vulcan Carbon/Aramid upper and lower receiver. Mag used is a USGI 30-rounder. I have had good experience in the past with Wolf ammo. Here are my impressions of the new stuff: * Much more consistent sound of the report. * NO MORE SPARKS flying out of the muzzle. * Much less smoke. * Objectionable stinky sulpher smell substantially reduced, hardly noticable. * Almost no muzzle flash. This is much improved over the old stuff. It may be a little dirtier (compared to XM-193) to clean up, but not as bad as the past. I had absolutely ZERO problems, no failures to feed, eject, extract, NOTHING. My last two rounds were a new Wolf round followed by a round of Lake City XM-193. The difference was astonishing. The fireball from the LC was volleyball-sized, compared to nothing for the Wolf. Top-notch plinking ammo, definitely deserves a place in the ammo stash. tk1971 I'm one of those who's had just enough problems that I probably won't buy any more. First of all, I'm all for Wolf's ammo, especially the new polymer stuff, but I just can't stand having different ammo for two rifles that should be able to use the same ammo. I've used 1000 rounds of .223, and 1000 rounds of 9mm. I even recently bought 500 rounds of 7.62x54R (not much of a choice there). It works wonderfully in my 16" BM HBar, but I can only get round counts up to about 200 rounds with my 20" BM HBar before it starts to short stroke (being extremely dirty and all, at least that's the general consensus). I've done everything I could to get the 20" HBar to run more than 200 rounds of the Wolf, but after grasping at straws and trying everything from "tweaking" parts to replacing parts to re-replacing them again, I'd given up (yes, I've polished the chamber, and all the other things that worked for others). Plus, cleaning is extra tricky as there's all these red primer sealant flakes inside the barrel extension area. This is probably not a problem anymore since I just got myself an air compressor that can help blow out the flakes. My 20" HBar rifle is kinda new, so maybe after some break-in? Regardless, I'll probably run a few thousand rounds of XM193 through it before I try Wolf again. For now, I'm using XM193 for my two rifles. I just don't want to worry about segregating/dedicating brands of ammo for different rifles. For .223, I'll probably give it another try someday due to the cost, but not until it can fire from both rifles without problems. M-614 Finally broke down and bought a thousand of the WOLF polymer 55 Gr. FMJ for $105 out the door at last weeks Orlando show. Fired 80 rounds today at the Hernando range in my RRA lower with an early Colt chrome chamber (only) barrel using a Colt MPC bolt and Colt "C" marked carrier. No failures of any kind. I did notice that at 50 yards it groups about 1" lower and about 50% to 75% larger than Win Q3131A. I think it will be fine for the 50 yard and less stages of the Action Rifle match here. Tex78 Wolf 55grn FMJ, polycoated About 120 rnds fired, thru a Bushmaster 16" HBAR. No problems, though I did notice less bump with the recoil. Overall impression? Great ammo for plinking, fast shooting practice etc. Samuel_Hoggson Just returned from a VT shoot. Ran 1000 rds of Wolf polymer 5.56 through three different uppers. As to accuracy: we were blowing up dynamite sticks at short of 200 yds. While all the belt-feds were blasting away I put the 16 on semi and calmly hit two sticks for my first two shots with HBAR upper A2 irons from prone . On the third stick I set it to full and took out a third stick with my third shot. Minute of dymanite, eh??? No FTF that could not be blamed on the #$*&%@ Orlites. No FTEs. I deliberately ran three 30s through and stopped midway through the 4th dump to see if I could get one stuck. No dice. Tried this several times. Did not chrono, but the stuff feels about like commercial (sub-M-193). The stuff is dirty, as many have said, but not at all bad. I was expecting it to completely crud up the gun. Didn't happen. BTW, I didn't chew up an extractor. Will buy more. Only complaint.........if it is one........is that the price appears to be moving up. End page 5 |
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Page 11 simple_in_seattle Had some FTF problems today with the new stuff. Oly 16" carbine upper. Could be the mags. Rounds wouldn't fully chamber. Almost seemed as though they were getting stuck halfway into the chamber. This was a new upper and had only put about 60 rounds through it before I started having some problems. Went home and checked the bolt face, extractor and chamber. Then proceeded to CLP the chamber and give it a quick scrubbing. Didn't have any problems cycling after the cleaning. Wonder if it has to do with temperature or chamber lubrication. I need to buy some better mags... Beagleboy I bought a 1000 rounds of Wolf 62 grain last week. Yesterday I put 240 rounds through my 16 inch DPMS with 8 different magazines. Not one problem, so for I am pleased. I was wondering if anyone has used 9mm Wolf in a Glock. SSFeldjager At my two and one half hour range session yesterday [Friday, 6 May 2005] my sons and I shot two RRA TASC AR15's and one Colt HBAR AR15 using the Wolf gray polymer. Excellent ammunition; no problems at all. As accurate as we were able to shoot, I guess. We shot about 460 rounds total and all went very well. I'll be buying more of this ammo for sure. Great prices, too as long as you shop around. dport 1)Wolf 55gr JHP 2)Bushmaster with Del-Ton upper, Bushy Superlight 16" barrel(1:9 twist). 3)1000 I was at my normal indoor range shooting at 25 yards finishing off the last 100 or so rounds of Wolf. I could barely hold 3" groups shooting from the prone position. I thought it was me. I shot the very last of my Wolf and then proceeded to start shooting some Spanish SS-109. I was amazed as the 109's groups were better than the Wolf's. I mean SIGNIFICANTLY better, on the order of 1/3 the size of the Wolf(note: I was shooting 10 round groups.). On the second 10 round group of the SS-109 I had a Failure to Eject; the rim was pulled right off the case. Upon inspection the chamber was hideously dirty. I think the coating from the Wolf gummed up the works, but I can't be for sure. Maybe I got a weak case, but I think it's more likely I suffered from excessive gunk in the chamber from the Wolf thanks to two shooting sessions in two days without cleaning. It was alright, if I cleaned the gun after every 100 rounds or so. And the accuracy was OK for shooting indoors doing presentation drills at a full size target at 25 yards, which is how I was employing the ammo. However, I'll never buy the stuff again. MadcapMagician Shot 210 rounds of it to help break in my new RRA. 0 problems, and was able to hit skeets at 100 yds. DDofWA Zero problems with the ammo, it is a little light on the power. Living here in the great north wet, I've noticed some getting surface rust on it that was left in some gear that was out in the rain. I've used both the .223 and the 7.62x39. Hakcobra Just ran through a couple hundred rounds today without a hitch. Will be buying some more. Duke_of_Lawnchair My jury is still out on Wolf's polymer coated .223. A friend and I were able to put ~600 rounds downrange this past saturday morning. Although not the cleanest fodder out there, our carbines ran without a hitch. Recoil was noticeably less than the XM193 or Q3131A that I've been shooting nearly exclusively for the past four years. These weren't "benched, slow-fire" rounds either as we were practicing hammers and multiple target engagement, etc. We're ordering 3k in order to make a more solid evaluation. I didn't have confidence in my Q3131A or XM193 either till about 2k of each went down range. Now, with many many 'k' more, I know it's good ammo. Wolf is just another fodder that I'm looking into. gaweidert I have run 1000 rounds of Wolf 62gr. FMJ through my SU-16 without a hitch. I have found that the 62 grain Wolf to be more accurate than the 55 grain stuff. |
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I've got 12-13 9x19Parabellum I just put 60 test rounds through my Kel-Tec SU-16C tonight (yeah, I'm a wannabe :P), no problems at all, accuracy wasn't even half bad. I was impressed, wasn't expecting much at all. I plan on buying it in bulk. Thanks for this thread, I wouldn't have tried it otherwise. SHIVAN I couldn't use it. CMMG 10.3" upper, cases stick in the chamber requiring a cleaning rod to bump them out.... Extractor is fine. In fact, the extractor is so good it rips a chuck of the rim off after you drop the bolt on the round a second time. Seemed decent enough ammo, a little underpowered.... Too bad I can't use it -- would have saved me ~$100/K. Gunbert Shame, but shorter uppers do tend to be ammo sensative. And wolf is definately not hot ammo. I guess I got lucky, my 10.5" upper runs like a scalded dog with the new poly. And $100 a case savings is huge when you shoot full auto. Metroplex I've shot the lacquer coated stuff in my AR-15 w/o any problems (Bushmaster 24" 1/9 4150 chromelined bore). I haven't gotten a chance to shoot the nylon coated stuff yet. Beagleboy Well I have now put a 1000 rounds of Wolf 62 grain through my DPMS 16 inch with at least 10 different mags. No failure to feed and no failure to eject. At 25 yards with open sights I can put 3 shots in a quarter. Offhand at 50 and 100 yards at silloute targets I am on target and if I miss I can call the shot. It may not be bench rest accurate but it serves it's purpose as an inexpensive training round. for me it serves it's purpose as a round that allows me to practice sight and target aqquasition, plus trigger control. If I could afford it I would buy just 193 or 3131. As for as the cleaning issue goes I clean my weapon after every outing and it is clean for the next trip. I never thought I would buy or even sing the accolades of Wolf, but I am happy I tried it out. MisterPX Ok, got a sticker toady. Bushy barrel, after 600 someodd rounds in an hour, I left teh rifle loaded for about 4-5 minutes. Fired, and the case was glued to the chamber. Rodded it out, and wnet about on my business. 1 sticker out of the last 1500 rnds. Binazone @6000 rounds Wolf 62 gr. FMJ polymer-coated .223 used - zero problems. Used in 3 different 16" A4 carbine uppers - 2 blued, 1 SS. @muzzle velocity = 2700 fps. Accurate enough out to 300 yards to ring a 5" plate in 3 gun matches, but under controlled conditions I suspect it can group well under that. Used to use the laquered Wolf for several years previously (@10K rounds and only had issues with one of the blued uppers. This upper has a tight chamber and after rapid fire and about 70 or so rounds, the cases could not be extracted. I believe this was due to the tight chamber and the red laquer used to waterproof the bullet/casemouth seal. In contrast, my SS upper and the other blue one had no issues with the laquered ammo under similar conditions. Tirador223 62 gr. FMJ 11.5 in. BM SBR Approx. 400 rounds fired. No problems although you can bet I am keeping an eye out and have a cleaning rod handy for the stuck case I am expecting. I hate to admit it, but this is a far better round than the old style cases. Poodleshooter 62 Gr FMJ, Colt 6601MT HBAR My rifle was stocked with an A2 stock and an M4 stock which I swapped back and forth for testing purposes. I tried about 10 different magazines loaded with 10-20rds each. The bolt never fully locked back on the last round for any of the magazines (mixed used USGI, 1 Brit steel mag and 1 orlite). Perhaps 1 in 10 rds would short stroke and fail to load the following round with the A2 stock. Almost all of the rounds short stroked with the M4 stock. I also tried swapping bolt carriers for a full circle (non Colt) carrier. That improved function slightly. The rifle functioned perfectly with 100rds of mixed reloads and Remington UMC .223 fired later at the same range session. The failure to fully lock back at last round also occurred in a second range session after a full cleaning. My case of Wolf seems to be underpowered for this rifle. jmehrten This parallels my observations; I used the lacquered wolf in my Mini-14 for magazine testing (USA mags are usually OK in my gun) After 4-5 30 rounders, cases started sticking and rims got ripped off. I have an Accuracy Rifle Systems stainless barrel on it with a tight chamber, and I have to clean with acetone and a brush to get the cases to stop sticking. Will be trying Silver Bear and the new Wolf polymer. My perception from reading these posts is that non-5.56 chambers may not like Wolf as well, and it seems that chrome lining helps prevent sticking also danno-in-michigan I picked up 2 boxes of the new polymer coated 55 grain wolf to use as "plinking ammo." I tried using it in my 20" upper, which has never jammed on me. I loaded five in the mag and started firing. First round - What the heck? Almost no recoil and a cloud of thick smoke leaving my the barrel of my rifle. Still, it cycled the action. At this point I'm thinking - ok, there's a lot of smoke and the loads are light - no problem. Second round - same lack of recoil and smoke and the bolt is back. Upon closer inspection, I determine that the spent round ejected but there was a failure to feed the next round. At this point I'm rethinking using this stuff. Third round - bolt is back after firing. Upon inspection, the spend round did not eject. Fourth round - same as the third - failure to eject. Fifth round - ejected fine. I'm as cheap as the next guy. Actually, I'm a heck of a lot cheaper than the next guy. But I won't be getting any more Wolf ammo - it turns my AR into a single-shot rifle. I'll have to see if the other 35 rounds work in my Mini-14. Edited to add: The remaining rounds worked fine in my 16" upper and my mini-14, so I may pick up some Wolf for plinking ammo. Mrrogers1 I picked up 1k to plink with and ran about 500 on saturday with only 1 malfunction. It must have been a slightly underpowered round as it just didn't hold open on the empty mag and I tested with some Q3131a to make sure it wasn't the mag and it wasn't. Other then the red crap on the bolt face and the dirtier then usual upper when I was done, I'm happy with the ammo. I'll always have some "Good Stuff" with me at all times but the Wolf is my plinker ammo from now on LT_USMC If you had "red crap", you probably bought some of the real old laquer stuff. Wolf stopped sealing with that shit even before they switched to the gray polymer. If you did get some of the old stuff and liked it, you will love the polymer. Metroplex The new polymer coated stuff still uses the red primer sealants and that is what is being left on your bolt face. I've shot 1000 rd of Wolf polymer coated new stuff through my Vepr K and the bolt face and action are always filled with red primer sealants. Waldo0506 Wolf is all I shoot. I hit aminals with the hornady though. To throw ammo that costs $200+/1,000 at paper is rediculous. Everyone who says (Michael Jackson voice) "wolf is so dirty, ohh my gosh" would have a conniption fit if I were to show them how dirty their car engine runs. FMD Model 1 Sales "M4" upper, 1/9, 14.5" Perm Phantom, Regular H Buffer: 500+ rounds 55Gr. FMJ; Zero problems, no accuracy estimation (CQB training, max range 50 yards). 500+ rounds 62Gr. FMJ; Zero problems, minute-of-dirtbag accurate (2/3 size steel silloutte) to 300 yards with a Tacpoint/BUIS. No cleaning during the 1000+ round count. RRA Varminter, 1/8, 20" Wilson HB, Wylde chamber, A2 Buffer: 50+ rounds 62Gr. FMJ; Occaisional (1 in 10?) failures to feed. Bolt would not go into battery. It took a good buttstroke to get the unfired round out. Unfired rounds had no primer markings from FP, and had what could best be described as "rub marks" on the polymer of the casing shoulder. My conclusion, the Wylde chamber is just a little too tight for polymer-coated Wolf, otherwise, it's worked just fine. Any failure to feed problems I've had in the carbine were operator error (double feed due to improperly seated mags). If it goes in, it goes "bang" every time, and then comes out. I was actually pleased with the accuracy at distance with the 62gr. (the equivilent of COM hits at 300 with a 14.5" barrel, cheap ammo, and a mediocre operator). protozo1 I have been through almost 1000 rounds of this ammo through a 24" bull barrel ar and a 16" mid length ar. I've not had one failure to fire or failure to feed, there have been no malfunctions what so ever. It is definetly weaker than regular 5.56, I could easily feel the difference in recoil when switching back and forth. The price is right and I like the moly. coat much better than the laquer (sp?) coat. I will continue to buy this ammo. for practice. Mikeypss I put 1200 rds through my Frankenstein M-4 wannabe, (Colt M-4 upper over a SGW lower) in a 36hr period with no cleaning only oiling every few hundred rounds with no malfunction. Lazyengineer Underpowered, caused a jam in my 20" Bushmaster. No other ammo did this, so I'm blamming the ammo. Jam was a failure to feed. The round somehow got caught half-way and did not feed into the chamber. Accuracy was poor. Would consider using as plinking fodder if more reliable - does powder really cost that much? Recommend only after you sample a few boxes for reliability first and then, only for plinking. -Lazy Metroplex It sounds like your rifle is short stroking. If you used wolf as the last cartridge in the mag, would the bolt hold open PROPERLY after it fired the wolf cartridge? If not, like what I experienced, the rifle is short stroking. The Wolf is underpowered but your rifle gas system is also probably leaking. I'm guessing you usually shoot XM193/M855 or the slightly better Winchester/Remington/Federal commercial loads or handloads? If that's the case, the non-Wolf/Bear/Barnaul stuff just isn't loaded with enough powder, while the XM193/M855 is quite hot and would mask most problems when the rifle is in clean condition. There's also the possibility your chamber is rough, the gas port isn't sized properly, your gas rings could be worn... etc... Wolf's accuracy isn't too bad compared to the XM193 I was shooting out of my 24" Bushmaster. I found that my gas key was leaking and wasn't sealing properly on the bolt carrier. I lapped the surface of the gas key and applied some threadlocker as sealant. I tested it for leaks by pushing in the bolt, spraying oil/fluid around the gas key, and blowing air into the key to check for bubbles. After the lapping, the bubbles disappeared. I have not tried Wolf lately but I bought enough so that I'd have an adequate supply of troubleshooting ammo. CWM4A1 Have gone through about 3500 runds now, finally got my first failure with Wolf. One FTE and one FTFed, and that's about 300rds through the gun. I then take the bolt out, give it a quick disassembly, wipe down, break-free it, and put it back to shoot the remaining wolf ammo w/o any issue (about another 150rds). Just place order through Sportsman's guide. I ordered the 62gr stuff this time. Do find something interesting: When you count the cost per round, it's cheaper to buy the 62gr 300rds at a time then 1000rds at a time, odd. I order 1800rds Melvin_Johnson I've shot plenty of Wolf (both 55 and 62 grain in FMJ and HP) through a couple AR's and a full-auto Colt M4. Plus I have used this ammo almost exclusively in my V-93. It's good stuff for the $$$. On another note, I contacted Wolf ammo with regards to my use of their ammo in my IDPA pistols. I asked them about getting a sponsorship and they agreed! They sent me 1,000 rounds of 9mm and 1,000 rounds of .45 and a couple t-shirts for free! I'm offically Wolf's first IDPA shooter! Highwayman This ammunition is not very consistent for me, it starts off poorly but gets better after about 100 rounds. My major problem is when the chamber is cold the case sticks and the rim is sheared off when the bolt recoils. Usually I get this failure 1 time in every 30-50 rounds for the first hundred or so rounds. I have the same problem with South African. I don't have this problem with XM193, Q3131A, Winchester, or any other quality brass cased ammo. Because of the stuck cases I will not use this ammo any more once my current supply is exhausted. My data: Weapon: Mutt AR-15 Barrel: 16" CMMG Mod4, Chrome lined, 1/7 twist, 5.56 chamber Ammo: Wolf 55 gr. FMJ Rounds fired: Approximately 300 Metroplex 1) 62 gr FMJ, 2005 Lot 2) AR-15, Bushmaster 24" NM H-Bar (5.56N chamber), chromed bore/chamber, 1/9 twist, Ameetec lower, RRA everything else 3) 120 rounds fired, single loads only (basically testing the bolt hold open 120 times). EXCELLENT ACCURACY. Was experiencing 0.3"-0.4" at 25 yd in 3 shot groups, and about 0.5"-0.75" 5 shot groups at 25 yd. This stuff was comparable if not better than XM193 through the same rifle. Wolf and consistency usually don't go together, but I found that I could improve my groupings by shooting one way versus other ways (gently squeezing trigger w/o jolting rifle, holding the stock steady, etc...) and it helped the groupings. I was doing function testing with the AR-15. It previously would NOT cycle 55 gr JHP Wolf (lacquer coating) at all. I tested some modifications/changes I made and it cycled the Wolf 62 gr polymer coated ammo 97.5% of the time. Out of 120 trials, only 3 experienced improper last-round BHO. 1 was most likely the cartridge (used a known working USGI 20rd mag), 2 may have been because of 1 T-65 mag that had some issues holding the Bolt open when manually pulling the CH. Regardless, 3 "failures" out of 120 was better than 80 "failures" out of 80! Wolf has stated they plan to modify the powder charge for more velocity and chamber pressure and implement it as a running change w/o any difference in packaging or markings. The reason for my function test is because I want to know my rifle can cycle Wolf. If zombies started attacking and I ran out of the "good" stuff, I want to know that I can fight my way over to the local Meijer/Walmart and load up on .223 ammo regardless of brand. Blatherman Using a factory assembled LMT 14.5" upper and CMT boltcarrier, I've had no failures to feed that can be attributed to the ammunition (magazine problems...same mag), and only one failure to extract. That failure only required me to hold the bolt open and let the case fall out. It was NOT stuck in the chamber. This is with a 1000 round case. Good stuff! GreyMage Well, I took the plunge and picked up 500 rounds of 55gr FMJ from Midway, as I was ordering some other goodies, and had been meaning to try some of the "new" polymer coated stuff. I liked the idea of shooting 2x the ammo for the same $$. BAD Idea!! \I fired all 500 rounds from my Franken M4 (Mega lower w/ M&A parts kit, 16" Chrome lined BBL, 6 pos stock, Larue 7.0 HG, Eotech on Larue Mount, TD VFG.) This rifle has lived on a steady diet of US Surplus ammo, and has fired 2000+ rounds flawlessly (some trigger reset problems, but I attribute that to break-in, and poor cleaning practices at first.) I don't think that I got through 1 full 30rd USGI magazine of the Wolf without at least 1 FTE. And I mean SERIOUS FTE's. Like, I broke a friggin' cleaning rod getting a stuck round out FTE! After the first 2, I tore the rifle down and cleaned the chamber thoruroughly, just to be sure, but still averaged 1 stuck case every 5-8 rounds through the whole 500 rounds. I'll not be buying any more Wolf ammo for the AR. NonConformist 55 and 62 grain, Bushy M4orgery (14.5 Brl chrome lined 1/9 twist) 200 + Rounds NO Malfunctions of any kind MisterPX Just a personal observation. I've noticed that I get much fewer "stickers" with my Bushy barrel than with my M1S chrome lined ones (Averaged 1 per 800, versus as 1 per 200). My Bushy however has gotten to the point where I don't need to clean the chamber (every 200 rounds like my M1S ones), rather when I get the sticky, I drive it out, and all the plastic goo in the chamber comes out with it. Could be machining tolerances, or the "lubricity" of Bushy's chrome. Oh, and this is 9K rounds of Wolf 55gr poly case with no cleaning. 4 drops of Miltec every 600-1200 rounds. Goes bang everytime, works perfectly except for the sticky every 1K rounds or so. Triumph955i bought a case of 55 FMJ last week. was only able to shoot 90 rds before weather got bad. no problems. GTLandser 1000 rds in a 20"bbl mutt AR, consisting of mostly RRA and Bushmaster parts. About 300 rounds per range trip, decent cleaning job done on rifle after each (didn't really work over the chamber that much). I have placed an order for my next 1000 rounds. Hotgun Fired a few hundred rounds of 55 gr, Wolf from my homebuilt, 20" A4 Rifle. Good ejection & uniform performance. Accuracy not GREAT, but as good/better than typical M855. Wolf chrony'd at 2945 fps. Good stuff for plinking & more, IMO. SickMAK90 I have never had any problems with any Wolf ammo. Even the older laquer coated stuff. It all functions flawlessly. At the range yesterday with a cheap 3-9x scope I was putting 6 shots the size of a dime at 50 yards and 1-1.5'' groups at 100 yards with a 16'' non-chrome lined/a2 FH RRA upper. Not to shabby. I have probably shot 2k rounds of wolf. Never had a single malfunction. Samuel_Hoggson Progress report: am now at around 6k Wolf polymer. Shot 1200 rounds this past Sunday at Eden, VT. Zero ammo problems. 900 of these were through the 11.5. No ammo-related failures. At about 1000 rd mark first round feeds from a fresh mags got sluggish. I was using Orlites and D&H curved 20s. This failure to feed only occurred with the D&H mags. Maybe b/c they were brand new? I also noticed that these curved 20s are more restrictive of OAL. Anyway, all rounds fed on the second pull of CH. I stopped and sprayed some CLP on the carrier and was good to go till the end of the shoot. Surprisingly, Orlites worked 100% this trip. Go figure. Sad to say, I still haven't had to replace any broken parts. 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I've talked to Juan about this. The problem is that people should be able to add reviews and change the poll numbers. Someone suggested getting a seperate ammo review forum; that way, I could tack all the posts, and then they wouldn't get lost... |
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Page 14 Halcyon Ammo: Wolf 55gr FMJ Rifle: AR tactical entry upper w/ 1/7 chrome lined barrel and Bushy XM lower Mags: (4) D&H 30's/ (2) generic 40's Total rounds: 500 No FTF/FTE problems at all even with the 40's and my barrel/chamber/bore was almost spotless and only required a quick wipe down afterwards. Definetly good plinking ammo and seems to be accurate enough for that purpose. ops144 i did only 160 rounds of this stuff today and went bang every time..... i didnt bench it but at 25 to roughly 35 yards it was bang on"no pun intended" i intend to buy more in the near future it is a bit dirty though Delta-9 Wolf is more than accurate for my use: plinking! Hit these small targets at 50yds! Hit the soda cap on my first try. Could barely see the shotgun shells I had stuffed into the styrofoam at my range so I took 4 shots at both shells (using no magnification just my Bushnell Holosight). Went downrange and saw that I actually hit both shotgun shells, one was just barely knicked, the other was tattooed. Blankwaffe98 A first for me....but I had a case of Wolf polymer coated 7.62x39mm that was way under powered.Would not cycle the AK or sks.The report was very mild,reminded me of 9mm Para,and no recoil at all.Tried some older laquer cased Wolf 7.62x39 I had left from a 1998 lot and it ran fine. Put a call into Wolf and they picked the ammo up no questions asked,and are sending out a new case.Said if Im not happy with the new lot# ammo they will issue a call tag for it and give me a full refund. Now thats hard to beat customer service folks. Alot,and I mean alot better service than what Ive seen from other manufacturers. I will keep shooting the Wolf. Blammer Wolf 55 gr FMJ polymer case Colt AR 20 match HB, no bayolug or flashider shot 40 rnds after shooting 80 of other stuff. brl was hot, cranked through two 20 rnd mags in under 1 min, stuff ran smooth as silk, all cases landed in a 2 ft dia circle. accuracy was good 1 inch at 50 yards, (not bad considering the mirage on the 90 degree plus day, and barrel heat on open battle sights) Will buy more! want to try the 62 gr stuff. the_end Armalite M15A4 CB 1:9 16" 500 rounds of 55gr 200 rounds of 62gr Zero Fail to anythings Accuracy. Perfect!!!... for blasting away at the range or up in the hills with iron sites or the Eotech. It goes where I aim. Haven't used it in a scoped weapon but it's great for rec shooting. bkysr Shot a case of 62 grain had two fail to extract. As far as accuracy, I hit a two liter pop bottle 30 for 30 with a cheap T168 scope at 100 yards. Just kept shooting it up the back stop until it would roll down and shot it back up. Have a single power red dot that I could hit the bottle about 60% of the time at 100 yds. I don't think that is anything to complain about. I just don't understand some people on these boards saying this is bad and that is bad. Wolf fires reliably form my weapon and I use "used" orlite magazines. I have had zero problems my orlites, but had some problems with GI mags. Isn't the big point that you find what works with you gun and keep using it. The big question I see people keep asking, " Would you put you life on it?" IF you have gone to the range ten times and had zero failures with cheap ammo and cheap mags using a cheap scope with a home built AR, WHY NOT? Sorry for the rant Folks. I just get tired of hearing you have to have Aim Point, and ss109, and a factory gun with GI mags to have a good reliable carbine. My Gun. RRA upper with 14.5 chrome lined Bushy barrel YHM flash hider DPMS Kit lower with DPMS parts Standard bolt and carrier RRA collapsable stock YMH folding front site, GGG folding rear site Put it all together for about 650. About 100 in toys added. Thanks for reading. metroplex SS109 isn't as accurate as Wolf 62gr through my 1/9 Bushmaster 24" barrel. XM193 is also rather sloppy. VaughnT M4gery. 1/7" twist. DPMS .223-marked bbl. 600 rounds of Wolf 5.56/.223 ammo, polymer-coated. Standard forend got so hot that I had to set the rifle aside for a break, several times, and plink with my pistol. All shots were from a bench at 55'. All shots fell into a 2" stick-on target spot. This is pretty dang good for my eyes, esp considering that this is my first experience with a peep sight. I was hesitant to feed this 'crap ammo' through my first AR, moreso because it's a Frankengun with parts from every frickin' maker out there. But, the ammo was very cheap at Dick's SG, $3.49/20, and I wanted something to throw downrange. I figured that if my gun would eat this stuff, it would eat anything....and I was right. Accuracy and reliability seem to be within specs for my abilities. Feeding, Extraction, and Ejection all went well. I saw no difference between Wolf, UMC, Remington, S&B or Fiocchi. If one is more accurate than another, it's beyond my capabilities to realize that potential. I do note that Wolf seems dirtier than other brands, but that's not a great concern. Terminal performance is anyone's guess, but I'm not using this stuff for defensive purposes. Overall, I wouldn't hesitate to use Wolf for a training class - especially considering that I would have a spare bolt group to swap out should I break the first one. shingaling Loaded around 300 rounds (10 30rders) this weekend at my friends farm and literally fired them off as fast as I could. No FTE or FTF problems at all, Ive been using this stuff for a while and it works great. FMD Well, I finally had some failures with Wolf Polymer 55 gr. FMJ. I had 5-6 Failures to extract out of ~500 rounds a few weekends ago. I'm still convinced Wolf is good ammo though. Why? Those 500 rounds sat in an ammo can with standing water in it for about a month (after the boxes themselves had been soaked). Here's what they looked like before I loaded them up in the magazines: I didn't even brush off the small pieces of cardboard that had rusted to the casings before putting them in the magazine. Turns out, every FTE had evidence of the stuck cardboard, so if I had just brushed them off a bit, they probably would have been 100% gtg. Conversely, I had ~75 rounds of Magtech .45 ACP in the same ammo can, and had 3 complete duds and one squib. tdogg77 I've shot about 250 w/no problems. Bushmaster factory 16". Light recoil, quieter. It does put out a cloud of nasty smoke though. captainobvious 55gr Wolfe results for me... New (not broken in) Model1 16" CAR kit with NATO chamber built on a Stag receiver. First 100 rounds went through fine. I went home and cleaned the rifle. Next shooting session I got a sticky at/around the 80th round. I had to get the shell out by pounding it with a cleaning rod. I'm pretty sure this is the Poly stuff but I ain't 100% positive. I'm brand new to AR's and the first time I shot this thing I used laquer coated Monarch. Well, that went over like a fart in a space suit and I don't think I got my chamber completely cleaned before I tried the new Wolfe. Accuracy was good enough to pop coke cans at 40 yards over and over and over- and that's all that mattered....because it was the most fun I've had shooting, well, in a very long time. My heart belongs to the FAL, but this AR is starting to get very very addictive. jobob This is my first post on this forum. Reading so much praise for Wolf that I thought I'd state my experience. I know guys in my USPSA club who swear by it and have no problems at all. I wish I could say that. I've been trying to get Wolf to work in my Bushmaster V-Match 20" for some time. I occassionally have a good day, but usually I get lots of failures. Usually I get extraction, but the bolt doesn't pick up the next round, so it's bang-click, several times per magazine, both with 55s and 62s, all polymer. I want it to work cause I like saving money, but it's getting frustrating. Good Brownells mags, Colt mags, cheap steel mags, doesn't matter. Yesterday was especially bad. Even had a problem with Q3131A: I had a blown primer that fell into the locking lug recesses. So, I had a round chambered, but the bolt wouldn't go all the way forward so I couldn't separate upper from lower. Had to push the live round out with a cleaning rod and the bolt locked back. Kinda made me pucker! I'm wondering if using a weaker/shorter recoil spring would help when using Wolf ammo? May not feed as well, though. Wolf_Warrior RRA Midlength 16" Wolf 55gr. (3, 20-rd boxes) Various USGI Mags - one Labelle ------------------------------------------ After first 30-round mag, experienced failure to feed the next round about a quarter way through the second mag. Removed bolt and cleaned. Four rounds went through properly then FTF again. Did not clean a second time. Third magazine Winchester 3131. Experienced FTF first three rounds. After that, back to normal operation. Apparently, my RRA does not like Wolf. Will not buy again. pdynak Fired in Bushmaster m4 Bushmaster m4 carbon fired 1000 rounds in each in a matter of 5 hours with no cleaning. 0 failures! works awesome! gun was cleaner then i had expected. accuracy was perfect for my plinking session. ranges of about 100-150yards. was hitting 6" plates just about 100% of the time in rapid fire. was hitting tennis balls when doing slow fire on bench. very reliable and more accurate then expected. for half the price of lake city ammo im stocking up with this. from what i understand it doesnt fragment, but if i know i can hit a target 30times in about 10-15 seconds i feel comfortable with this stuff TahoeShooter Not a Wolf fan, but when I heard about the new polymer coating I decided to try another case. I put 500 rds. of 55gr. fmj through my Bushy 16" 1/9 twist. It ran great, not one single problem. Accuracy was as good as I can shoot standing up. I did not bench rest to test accuracy. I intentionally got the rifle real hot and, a few times, let rounds sit in the chamber to see if anything bad would happen...Not a hitch. Wolf made my rifle really dirty in a hurry and it smells terrible...That's ok, I gotta clean the rifle every time I shoot it anyway and no burnt powder that I know of smells good. I did shoot some Birchwood Casey cleaner in the upper and the bore a few times during the shoot to clean that crap outta there, then re-lubed. I guess I just couldn't stand the filth. I ran two M193, then two Wolf, then two M193, etc. to check out the difference. M193 definetly a hotter load, more recoil, more velocity, louder...but not by much. Conclusion? Keep M193 for SHTF, shoot some at practice so I am used to the good ammo. Practice mostly with Wolf because it cost half as much. pdynak -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted: I ran two M193, then two Wolf, then two M193, etc. to check out the difference. M193 definetly a hotter load, more recoil, more velocity, louder...but not by much. . -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i did a similar, but 1 and 1. id say recoil difference was noticable, but negligable. lake city, louder definetly. otherwise in my two bushmasters they seem to feel very similar. BeachPatrol This week I did about 400 rounds at calverton. 62gr HP. Colt 20'' 1/7 and RRA M4gery 1/9 Not 1 Problem. Accuracy OK. ko67 Bushmaster XM-15 16" A2 1000 rounds through it with no problems. Just picked up an M4 and will put a few rounds through it as well. I also just picked up some of the Wolf .308. Have not had a chance to shoot it yet. |
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Page 15 Hawk_308 I have been running it for years in my mini14 , not enuff problems to even remember any of them ,my m4gery no problems for the past year but I did have a problem with some XM193 go figure. Now I have found cheap OLYMPIC arms uppers do not like wolf at all. The chamber of my friends oly is a wee bit smaller then any of my uppers which explains problem. jobob I don't know why my Bushie doesn't like Wolf, but it doesn't. Next gun will be a carbine and I'll try it in that. I really want it to work. I don't like paying twice as much for practice ammo. Zhukov -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted: I'll be honest, I did not read every post in this 15pg thread, so if it was covered, just call me an idiot and point me to it. But... how do I know at a gun show if it is the new stuff or not? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't think the "old" stuff is available any more. It was green "lacquer" coated. The new stuff is grey, and used to have a "P" stamped on the outside. I don't know if they still do that. I haven't seen any green lacquered stuff in at least a year. Cammer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted: Upon inspection the chamber was hideously dirty. I think the coating from the Wolf gummed up the works, but I can't be for sure. Maybe I got a weak case, but I think it's more likely I suffered from excessive gunk in the chamber from the Wolf thanks to two shooting sessions in two days without cleaning. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've shot approx 1k rounds of the polymer Wolf in my RRA over the last 3 range sessions and never had a chamber get dirty enough to cause any problems. I don't think that the polymer coating is a contributing factor in dports issues. Wolf ammo is dirtier than other ammo types, but normally this isn't a problem. I think the issue came to the front when a dirty ammo was combined with an ammo that is known for extraction failures. That is a bad combination IMHO. Wolf is still one of the best values for casual plinking ammo. Dport - if you are interested in this aspect of Wolf ammo you should give it another try. IceMan_1 Hi all , I thought I'ed through my two cents in . I was a little reluctant to try using wolf ammo from some of the things I've read in the past . But when WWB was scarce I ordered some of the 55gr fmj & 62gr jhp wolf and have used it in three different J&T builds including bump firing and have had no problems in 500rds . I know that isn't a lot of rds but its enough to convince me that its good enough to use for plinking . It is dirtier , but has been reasionably accurate and is worth the extra cleaning to me . My 2 cents . iceweazel Used both the 55 and the 62gr. No issues since the polymer case change (thank the gods) 2000+ rounds of each through: 20" RRA CMP SS hbar 16" Bushy M4 20" Armalite HBAR smells funny, a bit dirty, but nice inexpensive plinking ammo. Not that I'd shoot a match with it for accuracy. metroplex 62gr FMJ accuracy was comparable to M855PD at 50yd and 25yd, if not better (24" Bushmaster 1/9 NM H-bar). M193 and 55gr FMJ Wolf seem to yield shotgun groups for me at 50yd and 25yd. The 62gr bullets definitely stabilize better through my barrel. I will be buying some BH 68gr and 75gr for self-defense cartridges. The Wolf is only used for plinking/practice. It shoots dirty and I hear it yields large fireballs, but with my 24" barrel and the Phantom 5C1, all that comes out at the end is a lot of smoke/powder no flash! JeepDriver Still shooting it! About 8Kor 62gr FMJ sent down range with one misfire and FTF that I can remember. Added a DPMS M4gery last spring that has been flawless with the wolf. It shoots 3" groups @ 100 yards open sighted. The Bushy still eats it up too. ChairborneRanger Colt Sporter-Target 20" 1-7 I've put about 4K rounds of Wolf 55 gr. FMJ Polymer through this rifle and it is "generally" okay. In a clean rifle it works superbly, although, I do tend to encounter intermittent FTE/FTF after around 300 rounds or so---usually adding a few drops of CLP or Rem Oil to the bolt area, locking lugs, etc., helps resolve this type of a problem. I like it for plinking ammo----excellent price and availability. It would not be my choice for SHTF ammo, but---heck----that's okay, all things considered. DragoMuseveni I Never had any problems with my Saiga 762x39, Ruger p944 or my Hi-Point Carbine using wolf ammo. Although this is not the case for my new AR15. I just went to the range a few days go had 2 boxes of Winchester and 3 boxes of Wolf. Not one problem with the Winchester ammo. Every round loaded and fired no questions. When I switched over to the wolf, ever round fired, if it was chambered. The problems were feeding from the magazines(New USGI mags from DSG with the green follower, not the mag pull) I'm sort of thinking the polycoasted steel in the aluminum mags is not a "slick" as the brass. Still I have 13 brand new mags. I'm not going to buy special mags just to shoot wolf ammo. Zhukov -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted: I don't know if this was aked on pages 1 through 14, but is it wise to even consider using the shells for reloading or are these a one shot only type casing???? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know of anyone reloading steel cases. It is theoretically possible... metroplex -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted: I Never had any problems with my Saiga 762x39, Ruger p944 or my Hi-Point Carbine using wolf ammo. Although this is not the case for my new AR15. I just went to the range a few days go had 2 boxes of Winchester and 3 boxes of Wolf. Not one problem with the Winchester ammo. Every round loaded and fired no questions. When I switched over to the wolf, ever round fired, if it was chambered. The problems were feeding from the magazines(New USGI mags from DSG with the green follower, not the mag pull) I'm sort of thinking the polycoasted steel in the aluminum mags is not a "slick" as the brass. Still I have 13 brand new mags. I'm not going to buy special mags just to shoot wolf ammo. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's not the mags, your rifle is most likely short stroking. Wolf is very underpowered ammo. Full-auto mag dumps using Wolf seem to have less recoil than a P90 w/ 5.7x28 jdgiii 1K+ rounds of 62gr FMJ through my M1S/Cav Arms carbine with 1(one, uno) misfire, no fte,ftf. I am happy using this ammo since Q3131A is scarce. JoblessWonder About 4,000 round fired, two bad primer holes (primers fired but no primer hole), so the round didn't go off and half the primer flew into the innards of the rifle when opened. No jams that were not mag related. HeyPete Almost done with 2k rounds of the 55gr FMJ I bought a few months ago. Freakishly reliable, and has gone bang every time I've pulled the trigger. It's dirty, not terribly accurate, and not terribly consistent, but it goes bang and shoots minute-of-bad-guy at 100 yards. Maybe basketball-sized groups out of my 16" barreled SU-16B. Other brands of ammo shoot more accurately, of course, but this is ok for high-volume shooting. Had a few stuck cases that required a cleaning rod to tap out...all of them after extended rapid-fire shooting drills where the forward handguards were emitting smoke. I wasn't terribly surprised that steel-cased ammo would stick considering how toasty the chamber was. Annoying? Yes. Unexpected? Not really. I recently discovered a nearby Wal-Mart with Winchester WB 40-round packs, and will likely buy gobs of that rathre than Wolf now. Similar in price, but brass-cased, reloadable, and quite likely more consistent. DanIsntMyRealName Polished off about 2k rounds in a Del-ton kit on Stag Arms lower. Watched my brother do about the same with a similar set up. No complaints about Wolf here. bf2 Fired about 1000 rounds thru 3 different brand new 16in M4 Bushmasters. Never had any problems. It is a little dirty, but not bad. EDIT- 9/5/06 Well I finally had some problems with my 2nd batch of this Wolf. I was using a 16 in 1/9 carbine Bushmaster HBAR with the 62 gr Wolf FMJ. I shot about 60 rounds of different ammo before I switched to the Wolf. The Bushy was not ejecting the only two rounds that I fired of the Wolf. So I had to lightly tap the bolt carrier to get them out. Never had that problem before. So I got home and spent a few hours cleaning every part of that bolt carrier group. Then drove out in the jungle near my house and ripped off 30 rds of M855PD 62 gr FMJ with no problem. I noticed alot more carbon build up on the area just above the 3 rings, and the 3 rings were not spaced correctly apart, 9, 12 and 3 o'clock. I will find out later this month if it is this ammo, sometimes it is dirty as hell, but I keep my weapons clean, so it only did it on the Wolf...weird. jonathon Member Absolutly no problems with the 62gr Wolf from a CMMG 10.5" upper. Was at least as accurate as I am off hand, didn't shoot it off a bench though. The only thing I noticed is one round seemed to have an airburst type effect, about 3 feet infront of the muzzle there was a shower of sparks. No idea what that was about. |
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Well, we're not far from the end. Here's Page 16: NRA2 smells funny, a bit dirty, but nice inexpensive plinking ammo. Not that I'd shoot a match with it for accuracy Agreed. I just shot about 500 rounds thru a new LMT upper. Not one problem of any kind. I wasn't shooting at a range, but I figured I was getting smaller then 2" groups at about 50 yards. I wish Wolf would use better powder!!!!!! The stuff still smells and is dirty. With quality powder, they would get more business for sure. tugboat I have used about 300 rounds of Wolf 7.62x39 in my Arsenal SAM7SF without a hiccup. The accuracy is pretty good. WalterMitty I had personally seen the problems with the old laquer coated cases at USPSA 3-gun matches. Lots of rapid fire, hi round count stages appeared to get the cases hot and leave coating in the chamber. It was most striking to see a gun go through a stage with Wolf, then be handed to a shooter running brass cases; the run was rarely longer than one shot before the cleaning rods had to be brought out to knock out the empty case. If the gun had cooled, sometimes the shooter could get 2 or 3 quick shots off before shutting down. This of course ended the shooters run and made quite an impression on all assembled. So it was with some skepticism that I heard that this new stuff was different. I certainly wasn't going to put it in my Colt until I saw some hard evidence that it would run. It started showing up at 3-gun matches being shot by folks I thought should know better. Sure enough, they were burning Wolf ammo with no apparent problems. So I broke down and bought 1000 rounds to try split between 55 gr and 62 gr HPBT. With the exception of one case I found with a split mouth, I did not find any serious defects. The HP on the rounds is not as dimensionally consistent as they should be, so I probably won't buy any more of these. The HP didn't appear to have much of a positive effect on accuracy at the 300 yd ranges I tested them at; I suspect the variation in HP concentricity on the bullet itself could have been a problem. So, I had no feed/function problems with the product and no apparent negative effect for switching back to brass. My chamber looks fine, and accuracy is probably ok for full-size IPSC targets at 300 yards, but if you need "A" zone hits at distance you should probably reserve some of your "good stuff" for that work. I'll buy more for close-up hoser stages, newbie orientation, and other non-precision work. JeepDriver Wolf 62gr FMJ 900 rounds between 2 guns this morning. 0 failures Guns used: Bushmaster 16" HBar Carbine DPMS 16" A2 Carbine Temp: Low 40's Accuracy: Tore up the "A" Zones on the IPCS targets we were using at 75 yards. BrandonP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted: Absolutly no problems with the 62gr Wolf from a CMMG 10.5" upper. Was at least as accurate as I am off hand, didn't shoot it off a bench though. The only thing I noticed is one round seemed to have an airburst type effect, about 3 feet infront of the muzzle there was a shower of sparks. No idea what that was about. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's pretty common, especially during rapid fire. I get that with their 7.62x39 too. I'm not sure about the weird smell, but since it smells a bit like burning plastic, I feel like it could be that nasty polymer shit they put on there. DavidHayter 200 rounds wolf .223 55gr FMJ fired through a 260 round old RRA 16" middy. 1 round failed to fire. (It almost felt like the round was powderless. I was on a very 'nazi' range, so I didnt pull the ball to find out if it was the primer or lack of powder) 199 rounds fired flawlessly Grouping wasnt THAT bad. For my first time out with Wolf .223, I am very happy. Will definately shoot it again. destrux I put 200 rounds of wolf polymer through my cousins Colt AR-15A2 HBAR and only had one round FTF (second round fired), and we contributed it to the fact that he later admitted he hadn't cleaned the gun for 3 range sessions and it was 7 degrees outside. Other than that it was accurate and very inexpensive (bonus), and we picked up all the spent caess with a big magnet instead of searching like usual with a metal detector (double bonus). zebra142066 I've put about 500 rounds of the 62gr FMJ through an oly arms k3b mil4 a3 over the last month or so; no FTF's at all, my only complaint is that I'm getting a lot of residue build up on the breach face, some of it apears to be red in color and it takes quite a bit to scrub it off though it will come off with some work. I have noticed this as well with the Wolf 45APC in all of my 45's. For the price though its worth the little extra work. josh Moose1507 New Bushmaster AR15 HBAR 1:9 16in. Wolf Polymer 62g FMJ 1000 rounds fired, picked up at show I bought AR15 at. I had a few short strokes and 1 FTF after a solid primer strike. Feeds very well no problems there. Not as accurate as my Federal XM193, and a lot less velocity as well. Overall a cheap plinking round for sure and with the cost of 5.56 pressure ammo I will continue to use this ammo for plinking. Would not use for sighting/SHTF/or professional use. metroplex -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted: I've put about 500 rounds of the 62gr FMJ through an oly arms k3b mil4 a3 over the last month or so; no FTF's at all, my only complaint is that I'm getting a lot of residue build up on the breach face, some of it apears to be red in color and it takes quite a bit to scrub it off though it will come off with some work. I have noticed this as well with the Wolf 45APC in all of my 45's. For the price though its worth the little extra work. josh -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just fyi, its just the waxy primer sealant. It will come off with warm/hot water or CLP/solvent. Also, make sure you remove the extractor and check the firing pin channel. I found that 99% of the primer sealant got packed into that channel. I cann't explain how it seeps pass through the FP hole and into the channel. On my Vepr/AK, the primer sealant gets spread everywhere in the FCG/action. With the AR, all the primer sealant gets stuck in the FP channel (the FCG area does get some powder residue and brass shavings). Overall, the cleaning requirements for shooting Wolf are negligible considering you are saving quite a bit of money by shooting Wolf. JRM1983 I just put 120 rounds of 55 gr. FMJ through my 16'' Bushy with no problems. Accuracy wasn't that bad either. UVvis -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoted: Just fyi, its just the waxy primer sealant. It will come off with warm/hot water or CLP/solvent. Also, make sure you remove the extractor and check the firing pin channel. I found that 99% of the primer sealant got packed into that channel. I cann't explain how it seeps pass through the FP hole and into the channel. On my Vepr/AK, the primer sealant gets spread everywhere in the FCG/action. With the AR, all the primer sealant gets stuck in the FP channel (the FCG area does get some powder residue and brass shavings). Overall, the cleaning requirements for shooting Wolf are negligible considering you are saving quite a bit of money by shooting Wolf. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A $1 can of brake cleaner works great to clean this stuff out of the bolt's firing pin channel. elmo stag 2H upper. fired off about 100 of these in wet/rain weather. got some failures to extract about 15% or so. Had no failures using the M855 during the same conditions. fired another 100 rounds using same 55HP polymer in cold 30F temperature. Got issues where it wasn't strong enough to push the bolt fully back to load another round. I think it will perform fine in good standard weather. But it wont' perform well when the gun isn't lubed well or in rain/ or very cold conditions. it seems to be sitcky and underpowered to pull the bolt fullyl back. accuracy seems to be about 3" groups at 50 yards. i'm sure it'll be about 4-5" groups at 100 yards longhunter1757 500 rnds thru a Sabre Defence upper/RRA lower 62grn FMJ Barrel - 16" Chrome lined middy Not a single problem period. All fired and extracted just fine and groups were around 4" at 100 yds. OBird I bought a 20 round box as a test to see if it's worth the time/money to buy it in bulk. It was 55gr. polymer-coated, and worked fine. I did, however, see a degredation in accuracy compared to most any other ammo I shoot. Still good for plinking/"ammo-ban" preperation ammo - reliable and cheap. RBS-reaper13 No problems in my Stag M4 16" upper at all. Around 700 rounds fired. Also around 600 rounds fired through my Bushy HVY AK 14.5, no problems there either. robzilla I just bought 1000 round of this ammo. Using it in my Bushmaster Varmitner only about month old. So far I have run around 300 round thru the gun with Black Hills stuff, with zero problems. Broke the gun down and cleaned it last friday. Went out today to run some more rounds thur it, and had nothing but problems. Acutually I had terrible problems with cases ejecting and jambing in the chamber. I ran probably 300 round thru the gun today and it jambed at least 20 times. Got the gun home tonight and checked everything over, for breakage and or other issues, and there are none. I can only relate the issues to the ammo, as I have had none with the others I have been using. Rob ALPHAGHOST after more than 1000 rounds, i had a problem w/ wolf poly it was 62gr FMJ casing got stuck in the chamber had to use a cleaning rod took me a while to figure out that it was NOT my BCG or extractor eXe Wanted to try this new polymer stuff out, so yesterday picked up 200 rounds of it, Rifle was a 16 inch Rock River Arms Carbine, 200 rounds and not a single problem. Recoil felt a bit stronger than the old wolf stuff but it ran 100%. EDIT: ammo was 55g FMJ If it runs like this it is good ammo for plinking and possible times where ammo is hard to get. I may pick up a case of this stuff just for those reasons. I still have my good stuff (mostly XM193) stored but for every day plinking this seemed like decent stuff. Yeah its dirty, but heck I clean my guns after every time I shoot them.. so its not a big deal. triggerhappy556 i picked up 100 rounds today and went to the range to give it a try. loaded three mags, had a roud stick in the chamber on the 3rd mag. round 61 . slow fire one round every 2 sec,maybe. as i forgot to bring some cleaning stuff my shooting was over fast.. rifle is a dpms 16inch, 1/9. rounds wolf 55gr fmj . made 2002. felt hot. the gun will eat anything else it gets |
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Page 18/19 SC-Texas The old lacquered wolf has always caused problels. Teh polymer case works 100% bornagainin556 Wolf polymer coat test results: Temp-80 degrees F Humidity- ~50% Conditions-sunny Range-50 meters Test weapon-Bushy M4gery 1/9 , clean and semi wet, iron sights Projectile(s) 62 gr. 120 rds, 55gr. 90rds Procedure: From bench rest (except bump) Fired 62 gr. slow timed fire 60 rds, cooled every 30 rds for 5 min. then fired 2 30 rd mags 62 gr bump fire, no cooling. Then fired 2 30 rd mags 55 gr. slow timed fire cooled with one in chamber for 5 mins., fired last 30 rds. 55 gr. slow timed fire. Results/Observations: No malfs at all, 62 grain was very accurate, 3/4 inch groups, 55 grain opened up a little more with 4 flyers. IMO less smoke than others, fouling seemed less than others, recoil/report seemed to be on a par with LC M193. I will buy more of this stuff, as long as the price does not exceed .18/rd. Would like to see some tactical / self defense class round in 62 gr produced with steel case by this company in the future. sobrbiker883 My 16" 1-8 Wilson .920 barrelled Carbine likes the 62gr poly Wolf. Runs great. My 7.5" AR pistol DOES NOT. Cases stick in chamber, ripping rim off. Not overgassed or under extracted......Fed AE, M193 &M855 run fine, even when scalding hot. Drop one poly wolf in-I better have a rod to bang the case out. danpass I used Wolf Polymer for the first time this past weekend for a carbine class. I borrowed a Bushy 1:9, 16in barrel (borrowing a class rifle was one of the options provided by the Director). Chamber was perfectly clean before using Wolf ammo. I had two stuck cases in the first ~120rnds. The first case required a cleaning round to punch it out. The second case required a screwdriver to move the bolt back. A stuck case that requires tools (vs a simple tap, rack, bang) is unacceptable. I continued the remainder of the class with brass ammo (Winchester). I had not used Wolf before and had no preconceived notions about it, which is why I purchased it for the class. I will stick with brass ammo and may try the Wolf Gold (their brass ammo). Accuracy of the rounds fired was perfectly adequate. Nateag I bought about 1500 rds of Wolf recently (May or June). The stuff I got is: Lot MP321-06. My bushmaster will shoot 40 rds or so without problems before I will have one stick in the chamber. I think the heat from the gun has something to do with this??? Sometimes the bolt will stay locked on the casing, and sometimes it will pull away from the casing. When it stays locked forward, it can be a pain to get the bolt open to "tap" the stuck case out. When I do get the bolt open and look at the casing, I can see where the extractor was trying to rip the rim off of the casing. I'm guessing the case is bulging in the chamber??? I clean the crap out of my bushmaster after every use so it must be the ammo. All of the other brass stuff I have tried (Winchester, Federal, Remington) work flawlessly. When I have a Wolf case stick at the range I can get it out, load a mag of brass and have zero problems. I am fairly new to the AR world, so when I saw the ammo pricing I thought I found a true winner with Wolf. Maybe just a bad lot, but it can be very frustrating. Any feedback or advice would be appreciated as I have around 1000 rds of this stuff left. AZ-K9 July 2006 I had a endcap strike on my silencer using Wolf 55 Grain polymer coated ammo. All other factors have been ruled out and the ammo seems to be the cause. Samuel_Hoggson I'm about to finish my 10th case of 55gr fmj Poly. Lots have been '04 and '05. 99% has gone downrange FA. About 1/2 has gone through an 11.5" Colt A1 bought "used" from CMMG. A 20" pencil bbl A1 has been next most abused, followed by a 14.5" M4, then a 20" A2. All BCGs/uppers are Colt, as are the RRs. Have not chrono's the '05 yet, but got a little over 2800 fps in 20s and over 2500 fps in the 11.5. For purposes of comparison, my '86 SA is faster from the 11.5 than Poly is from the 20.Before I forget - have had zero ammo related malfunctions and zero parts breakage. I keep trying to stick a poly round in the chamber by running a coupla hundred or so then pausing. No dice. I have also had no problem transitioning to brass case ammo. Some posters report stuck, blackened brass cases. I can't seem to duplicate this - and have tried. I do see some blackening on the brass cases, but no stoppages. I do a 1 minute BCG strip, hose, and wipedown somewhere between 500 and 1000 rounds. I do this when I begin to need the forward assist after dropping the bolt on a fresh mag. Otherwise no special cleaning drills. Lower gets hosed down and Q-tipped every 2k or so. Poly is dirty, but I have saved about $500 so far vs milsurp. Civil 300 rounds w/o problem in a 16"colt HBAR metroplex I got that stuck case problem two times out of 1000rd the last time I was at the range. I cleaned out the chamber and install the D-fender in my extractor setups. The next 1200rd was 110% problem free. I was rapid-firing, slow-firing, etc... w/o any problems using 2005 Wolf ammo. When I used some 2002-2003 Wolf ammo, 100% of the ammo short-stroked in my 24" AR-15. I lapped the gas key on the BCG and it seemed to have fixed the problem because I haven't gotten any short stroking with 2005-up Wolf ammo. TxSharpShooter85 I bought 1000 rounds of the stuff a while back to shoot thru my 16" Olympic Arms rifle. It shoots fine until the rifle gets hot...then I will get a case stuck in the chamber and have to push it out with a cleaning rod. I see several of you have had the same problem. Other than that, I dont have any problems with the wolf 62 grain. Any ideas on what's causing this? Rifle runs fine with brass ammo. _DR The last time was paying attention I got 3-4 inch groups at 100 yards with Wolf 62gr FMJ. A few minutes later I shot 1-1.5 inch groups with Radway Green 62 grain SS109 British surplus ammo. which was just as cheap. This in a 20" 1-7 USGI FNMI Chrome lined barrel with an 6X optic, on a Benchrest. I get at least 1" groups with Black Hills 62gr remanufactured with the same setup. I had two cases of the stuff, ended up selling the last 600 rounds because I got tired of the innaccuracy. Works for some, not for me. My experience is it is too inconsistent to mess with. YMMV. Chief1942 Finally got to run some Wolf poly thru my Stag Arms Lefty. 16" chrome barrel 1/9 twist. Shot 180 rounds 55gr. FMJ, some slow fire, some rapid fire. Had 2 failures to extract, stuck in chamber. One was with a cool barrel, one with a really hot barrel. Had to knock both out with a cleaning rod. Forgot to check the cartridge base for evidence of extractor marks/damage. Suspect I will get another opportunity Must say that by reading the experience of others on these forums prepaired me ( a newby) for just such an occurance, so I had the necessary tools available to fix the problem. I broke the rifle in with RG 62 gr and had zero problems, so I suspect the polymer coated steel case since steel and brass have different expansion characteristics when heated. Since I am just using it for blasting I am satisfied with the ammo as to quality, performance, and price. Guess ammo is a lot like other things in the world, you get what you pay for. Will shoot the remaing rounds of my 1K purchase and then re-evaluate. Pillager I voted: problems that preclude me from using. I voted this way because when I shoot my clean, lubed AR after about 3 mags of WOLF polymer (55 and 62) the cases start sticking. I changed extractor springs and added a crane O-ring and the cases still stuck but with a portion of the rim pulled off. If I switch to AE223, the brass comes out with a lot of black crud on it, but if shot enough with the AE223 usually the gun will start functioning again. AE223, M855 and others all run fine and do not cause any similar problems. The first 1000 rounds of 55 grain wolf never gave me a problem at all. Problems started with the second case and continued with the third. I have fired approx. 2,000 rounds of the 55 gr Wolf (poly coated) and 500 rounds of the 62 gr. Wolf (poly coated) through a Bushmaster 16" HBAR 1x9, C/L upper w/ carbine gas system and H buffer. never chrono'ed any wolf Ryan1021 Just fired off a couple hundred rounds of Wolf 55gr through my Bushmaster M4 factory gun, and my Rock River, Bushmaster, CMT homebuilt gun with no problems. Although I did notice some accuracy difference between the Wolf and the XM193 I was shooting. CBR900 55 and 62 (FMJ and JHP). All grey polymer. Works fine in RRA 16" Middy. We shoot indoor 3gun/ Multigun. Max distance inside the building is 25 yards. Why waste $$$ on more coslty ammo when shooting that close? Besides, it is faster on target due to LOWER recoil (try shooting against a timer sometime & see how your splits are).the JHP 62 sometimes jams a high dollar AK (Arsenal milled rec). FMJ solves that problem. BroncoGlenn Couple hundred rounds of both the 55 and 62 grain through a Model 1 20" upper. No problems with functioning. ROMAD-556 Fired about 250 rounds of Wolf 55gr FMJ "military classic" in the camo box. About 45 deg F. Rifle was as follows: 11.5" SBR (Sabre 1:7) on a BFI lower LMT FA bolt carrier group McFarland 1 piece gas ring Wolf extractor spring w/ black insert CS ejector spring RRA 9MM buffer Accuracy wise the groups were more spread out compared to the XM193 I used to shoot but not unacceptable for plinking and 3 gun match play. What really surprised me was how it shot - everyone says its underpowered and wont run right in a lot of rifles. I brought along a H2 and a H buffer fully expecting the 9MM buffer to be too much for the Wolf to function reliably but I was wrong. The Wolf ran just fine in my SBR with the 9MM buffer. I wish I had a chrono because the recoil felt the same as the XM193 when I shot them back to back in the same mag. Not that I doubt what people say but I couldn't feel a difference and my SBR ran just as good as it does with the "full power" XM193. One thing for sure....its dirty ammo a lot more crud to clean up but for the price/performance I am happy with what I got. HeavyMetal I have noticed a lot to lot varation with the poly wolf with regard to case sticking. Some lots are stick and some aint in the sme guns with differing lots and differing guns with the same lots. SHADI I bought 1k of the polymer coated 55 gr FMJ. Fired three rounds, the third failed to eject the empty. The next three rounds all had to be manualy ejected. I tried two other mags with the same result. I topped the first mag off with six rds of UMC 55gr which all shot fine until I got to the next Wolf cartridge, which failed to eject. I didn't feel like it could be my weapons fault, but I hate to think I bought 1k of ammo that I can't shoot, so I stripped the gun down and gave it a good cleaning and tried it all over again. The results were the same as before. Failure after failure to eject the spent case. I have fired SA 55gr, S&B 55gr, Guat 55gr, Radway 62gr, LC 62gr and some of all the WalMart brands and never had a problem. I guess my AR just doesn't speak Russian. FYI: the weapon is a DPMS lower and a 16" chrome lined upper from Model 1 sales. nexuspal Shot about 90 rounds of Wolf 223 Bi-metal 55gr. HP out of a brand new bushy carbon 15 flat top. 0 problems, worked great, did get some zingers though (richottes), but seeing as how its a mild steel jacket, that would be expected. spool32 1) Ammunition used (55gr, FMJ) 2) Firearm used Ameetec lower, American Spirit Arms Upper, 16" Barrel 3) Rounds fired 93 The rifle was brand new and unfired. I bought a box of xm193 and put 20 through it to give it a little break in first, then switched over to the Wolf. I'm completely new to owning an AR15 but not new to shooting. So I learned a couple of things.. I also went to the range (shooters world indoor range) expecting they would have a front sight adjustment tool i could buy, which they didnt. I have a rear flip site so in the current configuration the gun shot 4" low @ 5 yards. Being this far off, I figured out an ok work around using the very top of the rear sight to bring the groups up some but the right to left wasnt that great due to lack of reference point. Problem 2, I put the stinkin rear flip sight on backwards so every time I shot the thing wanted to flip back down again , so work around number two was a couple of short pieces of masking tape wrapped the sight to hold it up, hope nobody is lookin 20 rounds of xm193 went through without a glitch. First 30 of the Wolf, had one misfeed on about the 8th round cycled. Then no problems until I got to wolf round #93. It jammed hard and extractor couldnt pull it. Total rounds shot to this point 113, so the gun was a little bit warm but not hot. I purchased a cleaning kit on the way into my range lane because i read through some of this thread before I went and expected something to happen. I broke the upper down and removed the bolt. I tried to use the bore rod to tap it out, but it was stuck. I ended up bending 2 of the links of the rod.. So i packed up and went home. Two other observations. The gunpowder smoke from the wolf rounds smells like catpiss and when it made its way into my eyes, i had problems seeing a little bit till it cleared up. Kinda nasty stuff. I'm hoping my gun shoots it a little better once its broken in a little bit more. |
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