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3/18/2007 5:23:45 PM EDT
These are the 2 rounds I need help with..



1st the 9mm--- Someone gave me a few of these. I think I remember it as being
a Black Talon--are they AP? This bullet id over 10 yrs old- made by Winchester.





Next, I got this cartridge at a gun show, also over 10yrs ago
is it a 36 caliber? or a 249 caliber? I don't know. pic below



Thanks

3/18/2007 5:32:54 PM EDT
[#1]
First one is a Winchester Black Talon.  They aren't AP, despite what the media liked to report.  he
I.G.B.
3/18/2007 5:39:28 PM EDT
[#2]
I think the second one is an 8mm. Do a search on Google for p249 headstamp. Looks like it was made at Finower Industrie G.m.b.H., Finow/Mark, Germany around the time of the Second World War.

3/18/2007 6:18:27 PM EDT
[#3]
Looks like German made 198gr 8x57.  JG had some of this a few years ago in carry packs.  Good stuff.  Packs a good punch to!


Turk
3/18/2007 6:54:56 PM EDT
[#4]
Yeah, Black Talons aren't "armor piercing", but the teflon coating was supposed to "slip" through kevlar. The main reason they were axed from the public was when they mushroom, they create six sharp fingers that slice a wound channel like crazy, and emergency room personel were complaing about getting cuts from the sharp edges. I still have a few .45 left I used to keep with me for camping trips in bear country when I was traveling light.
3/18/2007 6:58:13 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Yeah, Black Talons aren't "armor piercing", but the teflon coating was supposed to "slip" through kevlar. The main reason they were axed from the public was when they mushroom, they create six sharp fingers that slice a wound channel like crazy, and emergency room personel were complaing about getting cuts from the sharp edges. I still have a few .45 left I used to keep with me for camping trips in bear country when I was traveling light.


Don't believe this guy.


Sorry dude.
3/18/2007 7:03:41 PM EDT
[#6]
Ok, don't believe me, thats fine. Quote from Gun Tests August 97 "These bullets were discontinued three years ago because hospital emergency room personel explained they were likely to cut their fingers on the sharp edges."
And, I will stand corrected that they aren't teflon coated, that was part of the media BS that demonized them to the public.
3/18/2007 7:26:20 PM EDT
[#7]
LubriLox (sp?) coating. I second the 8mm verdict.
3/18/2007 7:27:15 PM EDT
[#8]
        Yes the black tallon mess was mostly hype. As with any hollow point it is designed to expand.Yes it was a decent performer but it is NOT a mystry bullet that expands twice as any other hollow point.
         Much of the military rifle ammo has a headstamp that identifies when it was made and by whom and many times doesn't have a caliber like comercial ammo has
3/18/2007 8:07:45 PM EDT
[#9]
Heres what I found on the 8mm
http://cartridgecollectors.org/headstampcodes.htm
P249 Finower Industrie G.m.b.H., Finow/Mark, Germany
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