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Posted: 10/23/2006 9:11:15 PM EDT
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I've been really curious on what the m855 ammo is capable that i carried in iraq. So im looking for the closest thing to what the army carried to test out on some steel. Would the ADCOM 855 be somewhat the same? Roadway green? Anyone else test this out? |
The Armory Ops, looks like there out. How about... Ammo Man |
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Ammoman is a good place to Find LC M855 He use to carry the GOOD LC M8rr NON PD M855 at 50 yards and a 1/2 steel plate all Blew threw it IMI M855 Winchester M855 Lake city M855 Santa Barbra SS109 (THE MOST ACCURATE SS109/M855 I EVER SHOT ) Sellier&Bellot SS109 Hotter than M855 Specs very accurate 3184FPS @ 25yards SD14 |
ADCOM that I have is on par as FAR as FPS goes Im not buying any more because my Last out my Groups were HUGE useing a 14.5 M4 1/7 twist LMT wich was so strange because the First outing my groups were pretty good |
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Ammunition To Go carries the Winchester M855 in the white boxes in quantities of 100, 500, and 1000. I have ordered a TON of stuff from there and recommend it highly. Ammunition to Go |
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OK. both of these hardened steel gongs were fired at 45ish yards if I remember correctly. Now this is NOT ARMOR. Just hardened steel, dig? This first pic is M193 out of a 20"1/9 HBAR.  And the this pic is M855 at the same distance from the same weapon.  M193 does noticeably more damage, but not dramatically more. The point is, that in most cases the penetrator is basically useless. |
Nope! The High velocity of M193 gives it superior penetration on HARD targets. Neither round is going to penetrate hardened steel very well. I prefer people to shoot my gongs with M855 because it does slightly less damage to them. And in low light the penetrator makes cool sparks when it splatters into oblivion! |
Remember M855's penetration is better past 100 yds, so this is not a true indicator of it's performance. |
Penetration on HARD targets (materials HARDER than the bullet itself) does NOT improve with distance. PERIOD. (all of this has been covered ad nauseum, but let's go thru it again) M855 might do more damage than M193 in this same test at say, 200 meters, because at that range it will have retained more velocity than M193. M193 being lighter will lose velocity faster. But M855's penetration will NOT be better at 100 or 200 yards than it was at 50 yards. That doesn't even make sense. In any case the circumstances in which M855 out performs M193 are few and far between. Other than the high quality manufacturing process of Real M855, there's nothing desireable about the ammo. |
He must be thinking of the M20X6 rounds. You know, they defy the laws of Newtonian Physics by using Brownian Motion within their deuterium/antideuterium warp shell. The result is an armor penetrating round that runs in a space time inverse to our own reality, therefore instead of slowing down the round actually speeds up the longer it's in the air. Thus proving the 5th Axiom of Brownian Physics: an object at rest cannot be stopped. Or, he's an idiot. |
I can second that. Those plates you sent me are holding up great. Now I have a ton of people who want them. And yeah those sparks when itis dark are cool looking. |
I've ordered about 10,000 rounds of M855 in the last 6 months from them with no complaints. |
What color are the tips on those?  Actually I believe the misconception comes from the design goal of M855. The mil wanted a bullet that penetrated specific armors better at extended distances. But the actual penetration capabilities don't increase with distance. Now I did find out one interesting bit of info. On soft objects like wood, there are circumstances where a 308 round will penetrate deeper at greater distances. I guess as the bullet slows down the softer medium (wood) doesn't destabilize it as quickly. Thus it penetrates deeper at a slightly lower velocity. |
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I have shot ADCOM m855 and yes it is the same load used in combat. And yes M855 can penetrate a helmet at 200 meters to where m-193 can't the m855 is 62 gr to where the m-193 is 55 at close range the m-193 is better. at 200 meters M855 is better, it carries more inertia. |
The steel helmet right? I believe thats what the goal was when M855 originally was issued in the 80's. Of course no one that the US is fighting now has steel helmets to my knowledge. That rare scenario where M855 outperforms M193 is no longer relevant. Picking your ammo based on that criteria is not seeing the big picture at all. |
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I have personally sat and talked with 2 Marines who have spent a total of 30 months in the sandbox collectively. I asked them about the performance of M855. They told me it makes a real mess out of terrorists and didn't have any problems with the round failing to drop a tango after a double tap center mass. They both also said that they prefer the M4 to the M16 due to the shorter barrel, better balance and adjustable stock. |
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Absolutely! I think the reports of dismal performance from M855 are overblown to say the least! On the other hand the mythical powers of the penetrator in the bullet are equally overblown. If I was issued M855 to fight with, I wouldn't give it another thought, but I personally prefer M193. |
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AGREED |
They are wearing a scarf and carrying an AK in one hand and an RPG in the other. You are right, the scenario is no longer relevant.... 
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