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Posted: 7/21/2006 8:04:17 PM EDT
| Okay, I've carefully read the FAQs and haven't seen an answer to this one. If Clinton (sorry. Can't use the word "President" in front of the name) issued an executive order banning the sale of surplus to the public why hasn't President Bush issued one overturning it and allowing sales to civies, assuming there will be surplus when the shooting stops? |
I guess I shouldn't make what many might consider political pot-shots (opps. Sorry ,Clinton). I'll just let him be. After all, he and Monica might want to enjoy another cigar. |
| Remeber that Bush said if the renewed aw ban reached his desk, he would sign it. Now, this was a safe bet for him because he felt it would never happen. He could play to both sides. But it also shows that he is not going to rock the boat if he doesn't have to. Unless we get minds to change in Congress to press him, he isn't going to do a thing. |
Wouldn't the good stuff going to the military go out in bandoleers loaded with stripper clips of the 855? That's what I saw way back in '69 at Cu Chi, RVN. All I've bought lately has been 20 round boxes or 1,000 round loose. |
Also, 'as a rule' former presidents do not criticize the actions of a sitting president... Clinton broke the rules first |
Nobody is offering "front line" M855 ammo. It is not surplus ammo, it is ammo manufactured by Winchester or Alliant Tech that has not gotten to the government yet, hence it is not surplused. |
Close... Only "Contract Over-run" ammunition can be sold. That is why the XM series is getting rare. The govt. has maxed production. |
If you read between the lines on the Sportsman's Guide ad, it stated that this ammo was basically rejected by the government due to "minor defects" (whatever that was) *Note that as of time of this posting, it is no longer on SG's website, so they must be out. Since it was rejected, and returned to the factory, they in turn sell it off for civilian sales. It is not surplused, because it was never owned by the government even though it was made for them. If I were a gambling man, I would bet that Ammoman's stuff is the same way, but he has guarded his sources like the blueprint's to a nuclear bomb, and verbally assaulted anyone who questioned it source. OK, now if history is any indication of the future, the followers of the church of the ammoman will be along any moment now to flame me about this observation. 
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In udder words, the .mil cannot sell it to us peons... but the manufacturer can do so. |
I agree with you on all points. You make sense my man. BTW, zip up the flame suit really securely. 
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I have inspected a can. First thing I expected is that front line ammo with seals from LC would have their contents stenciled on the can. Not so. I guess the guys on the front line have to open the cans to tell the contents. No markings on the can. Also who's job is it at the LC plant to use a permanent marker and obliterate the lot #s on the bandos? To be fair, the ammo preformed fine and I have had no problems with it. I also have not had any problems with any XM193 I have purchased over the years either. I bought this stuff before the SKS thing. |
+1 Nice stuff! I confirmed (for my purposes) that it's more accurate than XM193 and it's definately up to pressure. You can tell that it has not been directly inspected and has LC seal. The 3 cans I got were all 2001 headstamp. Who knows where he got the pallets of this stuff, but it seems like it was a one shot deal. |
You are correct but when supposedly front line ammo is not marked and the lot # on the bandos are obliterated it makes the ammo suspect. To me at least. I like the WCC M855 I get from Sportsman's guide. It looks and shoots fine and the 900 round boxes have the contents and lot #s etc. If you went to look at a firearm with the serial # filed off, or a automobile that was missing the VIN that would be suspect also. Like I said before, the ammo functioned fine it's just a little odd. I am sure I am not the only on that was expecting that the cans containing front line ammo, sealed by LC in military crates to have been stenciled --- 840 CRTG 5.56MM BALL O M855 10 ROUND CLIPS LC-XXXXXXX |
That's exactly what was "washed off" of these cans... if you hold the can in the sun, you can see it. |
B.S.
It can and has been done. Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush Jr. It's just a pain in the ass. From Bush's first act of his presidency in 2001: quest.cjonline.com/stories/012001/bus_0120017487.shtml
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Fixed it for ya'. 
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The shit you are buying is ammo not purchased by the military This is different than surplus.... Some of it is seconds Some, at one time was overruns. And some is new commercial production for the civillian and non-US-military market.... Any M193 you may be buying fits this category... |
Clinton didn't trust us... Remember, the chief bad-guy back then was the 'right wing militia nut' (interesting, we have not had trouble with them since Willy left office).... In the present environment, I would be rather pissed if Uncle Sam was selling you guys 'extra' ammo... We need that goddamn ammo IN THE DAMN ARMY... It was bought for us to shoot it, so instead of surplusing or de-milling the damn shit, LET US GODDAMN SHOOT IT! I'm sorry, but when units don't have enough ammo to train their troops on issue weapons, there's no reason to be surplusing any ammo... |
I got some, and was disappointed to see this stenciling missing.... Surplus or "Over-run", it cannot be "front-line" if the stenciling is removed. When/where/why the stenciling was removed is a mystery. I've not cracked the seal, so I dunno about the magik-marker on the bando's.... I just marked the can by hand and stashed it. Glad to hear it worked just fine! ( I bought it before the SKS deal, and decided then to stick with my other sources. ) |
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