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Posted: 4/8/2006 8:13:53 AM EDT

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My nato headstamped Q3131a is better than my XM193 or my 3131

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On what basis do you make this judgement, KYLE?

Posted: 4/8/2006 10:51:11 AM EDT

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Looks like I will save all my Q3131 and Q3131A until there is a FLOOD!

QUESTION

Troy have you shot the Wolf M193 YET ?

My dealler has been getting in IMI Q3131a recently with some consistancy and put i 5 case's on hold for his next order this week. Reliable so far...

now to anser the question which interested me:

optopistic and sceptical(...spelling... about the Wolf 193
but for the price of the IMI and federal xm193 i don't really see the point with the Wolf unless it is more accurate, reliabel and effective. It is only 20 plus or minus less than the previously mentioned.
1 case of IMI q3131a for 230 from dealer or 4.99 pre 20.
walmart just raised the price after tax for WWB value pack to more than any of the 193" and my small dealler's price on 3131a i thnk that is great! I am not paranoind about availability inthe milsurp 55's and 62's. It is still everywhere but the big guys. I for one don't miss ammoman. It has prompted me to look around. He was reliable and had decent selection with almost competitve prices which ease of use/reliability negated) but since being forced to look around i have discovered ammo everyewhere.

If you live near Southeast New England, IM me and i will tell you where the source is and if its in stock. He may call if ihe gets a bunch.

lobsterman
kyle

A fellow Rhode Islander. IM sent. It would be nice to have a local outlet to purchase ammo. You are right about looking around. I never look around anymore. I just check the oracle and order from one of the dealers. I would like to find it locally because I could buy it and sneak it into the house. My wife says she is getting sick of walking out the front door and tripping over ammo deliveries.
My son was going to Dick's today and asked me if I wanted him to pick me up some more 9MM.. I thought my wife's head was going to spin around and explode. "YOU GOING TO BUY MORE BULLETS"!!!!!!!! I keep telling her it's ammuntion but she still calls it bullets.

BTW, she's right though I will never admit it.

Posted: 4/8/2006 8:09:03 PM EDT

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This whole TIER crap is just a GERBLE-ESQUE nightmare. It's been said so many times that it has just become truth.

There is NOT ONE SHRED of evidence of XM193 being a tier two ammo to M193. IT'S PURELY SPECULATION on the part of the internut commandouche crowd.

Q3131A gives XM193/M193 performance. Q3131 does not.

OK.................. Here we go.

When Winchester/Olin ran the LC Plant they made M-193 for the military.

Back then there was no Klinton order to NOT let us "little people" have access to surplus ammo.

Hence Q3131. LC ammo in Winchester boxes made with Winchester parts. First line ammo.

Winchester looses LC contract to ATK/Federal Q3131 dries up.

Federal operates LC plant during the exec order. No surplus ammo to us "little people" and we get XM193 an so on. So called 2nd tier ammo. Yeah right!

Winchester/Olin gets around this by contracting IMI to make Q3131A for us "little people" which is IMI M-193 in Winchester boxes made with Winchester parts. First line ammo. I am sure Winchester had some kind of non-compete agreement with the government.

Now Winchester is not under the exec order and/or non-compete agreement. Since they don't hold the contract for LC, they can make whatever they want for us "little people". They know how to make M-193. They did for years.

So since IMI is at full production for the WOT, they don't have the time or resources for fitting in M-193 ammo for us "little people", Q3131A dried up.

So Winchester starts to make Q3131 again for us "little people". It's M-193 in Winchester boxes again.

See we came full circle.

ETA: We need to get rid of this whole 1,2,3rd tier stuff, and just go with the compaines that are KNOWN to make high quaility ammo and parts. Winchester/IMI/Federal and so on. The QC these big names have in place is some of the best in the world.

One of the better explanations I have seen.

Winchester cannot make m193 ammo because they no longer have access to the loaders that run it.
(Loaders do make a difference. Trust me on this one)

Posted: 4/8/2006 8:24:00 PM EDT

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All I know is the Q3131 I shot today does not work well in my AR

Posted: 4/8/2006 8:30:20 PM EDT

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All I know is the Q3131 I shot today does not work well in my AR

How so?

Posted: 4/8/2006 8:34:51 PM EDT

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[ Winchester/IMI/Federal and so on. The QC these big names have in place is some of the best in the world.

I missed this in my first reply.

I cannot vouch for IMI, (Tho I think you are correct.)
You would not believe the QA proceedure on military ammo!
With that, You wouldn't believe what the .mil will pass that would freak you out(There are dents and case splits that are fine... if they are in the correct location.... )

Posted: 4/8/2006 8:35:52 PM EDT

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All I know is the Q3131 I shot today does not work well in my AR

How so?

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=277002

Posted: 4/8/2006 8:37:13 PM EDT

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So Winchester starts to make Q3131 again for us "little people". It's M-193 in Winchester boxes again.

except people are not getting M193 performance from it.

Posted: 4/9/2006 4:57:54 AM EDT

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My understanding is that there are 87 grades of ammo!

Let's make GERBLES proud, shall we!!
well that was a productive and informative post.

Thank you for the info.

So you felt compelled to quote it?

and you again

Posted: 4/9/2006 4:59:22 AM EDT

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My nato headstamped Q3131a is better than my XM193 or my 3131

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On what basis do you make this judgement, KYLE?

u r a

your knowledge is worthless because you can't talk to people

Posted: 4/9/2006 5:27:13 AM EDT

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So Winchester starts to make Q3131 again for us "little people". It's M-193 in Winchester boxes again.

except people are not getting M193 performance from it.

Funny I don't get that impression.

ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=263230&page=1

Only one member had a problem with it. CRC.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=259226&page=3

ar_mcadams says his new Q3131 was 50fps faster than his Q3131A.

chapperjoe, Where are you getting your info from?

Posted: 4/9/2006 5:41:03 AM EDT

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So Winchester starts to make Q3131 again for us "little people". It's M-193 in Winchester boxes again.

except people are not getting M193 performance from it.

Funny I don't get that impression.

ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=263230&page=1

Only one member had a problem with it. CRC.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=259226&page=3

ar_mcadams says his new Q3131 was 50fps faster than his Q3131A.

chapperjoe, Where are you getting your info from?

I've heard this stuff is the opposite, e.g. 50 fps slower. also dirtier than M193 or q3131A. I see I'm gonna have to do some testing myself to make a determination.

Posted: 4/9/2006 5:45:24 AM EDT

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Can you point me to a link so I review it?

Thanks I would appreciate it.

Posted: 4/10/2006 5:18:16 AM EDT

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u r a

Hey, MORON! I seriously wanted more info on your range report. But I suspect the info would be as useless as your replies on this site!

your knowledge is worthless because you can't talk to stupid people

Fixed it! And I admit to having a short fuse with stupid people such as yourself.

Posted: 4/10/2006 9:32:32 AM EDT

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Q3131 = 3270 FPS 19??`s to 1999

Q3131A = 3270 from 2000 to 200?

Q3131 New Stuff = 3270 FPS

Im the ODD ONE

I think the Older Q3131 was just a Tad bit hotter than IMI/Q3131A

Go buy a chrony so you know you can have your 100/200FPS Faster than 233 55fmj