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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Never using WOLF again. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/4/2005 9:56:30 PM EDT
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It's too bad I didn't have pictures, but a wolf casing was stuck in my barrel after it fired. I tried everything I had in my garage to get the bugger out, to no avail. I pushed it, hit it, knocked it, drilled it, screwed it, pulled it, glued it, jerked it and it didn't move half an inch. So two weeks, $60 and two gunsmiths later, I have a (thankfully!) undamaged, open and clear barrel and reciever. Ugh. The gunsmith who got it out said he's seen a WOLF round stuck in a Bushmaster, he's seen wolf pistol casings get stuck, and other size wolf ammo too. Talk about a pain in the butt! $60 for getting the thing fixed would have bought me a good amount of non wolf ammo too! What he had to do was take the barrel out of the reciever (I would have done this but didn't have the tools...) get the chamber dimensions, screw out part of it and cut off the rim, fill it some chemical - I don't know what it's called, it's for making casts of recievers - and with a cleaning rod knock it out. It took him the better part of a day to do it apparently. So, this is why I won't use wolf anymore. Not even for plinking! |
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Although I never shoot Wolf ammunition in my AR15s (they cost too much and have quality chambers of specific dimensions). I see nothing at all wrong with using it in Mosin-Nagants (mine cost $49.95), SKSs, ($90) and some AKs, (MAKs/Rom/Bul/etc). You have to understand that some rifles and pistol have fairly tightly machined chambers, where as certain models of rifles and pistols made overseas in eastern-bloc countries have fairly loose chambers and bores. If your rifle or pistol cost less than 200 bucks and came from an eastern-bloc country then shooting ammo that's made to similarly "loose" tolerances makes sense. Don't take no rocket scientist to know shooting cheap ($80/K) ammo in a $600-$3000 rifle ain't exactly smart. my 2 cents, Mike |
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Took my first tactical carbine course this past weekend. I used XM193 almost the entire time. 60 rounds in on the first day another student had a FTF issue. It was his gun. Next, a stovepipe, then other issues. He switched out his gun and continued to have problems. What was the ammo he was using? Wolf, the new stuff. We shot damn near 750 rounds the first day. We were supposed to bring 1,000 rounds of ammo and I brought 1500. Do the math. I was either going to run dry the second day or maybe even need more than I had. The range had some Wolf for sale so myself and two other students split a case of 1,000 rounds. I decided to use it instead of my XM193. Big mistake on my part and the other students who used it. Luckily I didn't have problems with it until the last drill on the second day. I had a stuck case in the chamber while my teammate had the same issue at almost the same exact time. His rifle shattered its bolt while mine just doublefed. I knocked out the stuck case with a cleaning rod. Wolf is fine for the range but it sucked for training. Everyone that used Wolf in the class (6 students, all but one of us used Wolf at some point) had some issue with it at some point. We fired a lot of ammo in short sessions which heated up the guns. While we were standing there discussing the next drill some guys had rounds seal themselves to the chamber. When they started the next drill their rifle was frozen and they had to transition to their pistols. No more Wolf for anything serious. I can't believe that I even used it. I should have shot up the XM193 for something as serious as training. |
I wanted badly to take a course at the FIRE institute since I live in Pittsburgh. However I couldn't get my schedule to sync with their class schedule. I was on business in Nashville, TN so I took a course with Tactical Response in Camden, TN. I can post a summary at a later time. |
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I won't say Wolf is absolute garbage, I'll just say I won't trust my life to it. Maybe my rifle sucks but I know I had a stuck case in my chamber on a Colt 6920 with maybe 2,000 rounds through it. It was clean when it started the day but around 700 rounds and a lot of heat later it jammed up on me. I saw others with different rifle brands have the same problem. These included Olympic, Bushmaster, Rock River, and some custom rifle I didn't catch whose parts were in it. Good for plinking at the range or having fun, bad for training or real live SHTF scenarios. |
I'll take care of it when I go to the range and shoot next to the bolt gun guys that hate EBRs. They really love those steel cases too. [shoots once a year deer hunter] hate those damn commie bullets [/shoots once a year deer hunter] |
Oh - no doubt! It's definitely plinking ammo-only. |
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Wolf is for cheap range fun, just like a tacpoints, or any other cheap accessory. If you are in a competition, going to a school, or defending your life, Wolf is a bad choice. Wolf accuracy is so bad in the three ARs I've tried it in that I couldn't even sight-in a scope with it. It runs fine at the range though, so I keep it for plinking and to let newbie’s try out an AR. Until the cost of XM193 or other quality ammunition comes down, Wolf will have a place in my shooting order, just not in any important function. |
| 100 to 1 you used a non chrome, non Nato barrel. I blasted away 1500rds of Wolf on the last M16 outing and did not have any failures at all. Real Colt upper using the old 'will stick in your chamber Wolf' stuff. I'm so happy no one is buying this stuff as I got it at $72 per K. Oh, and the M16 owner said the gun is now worth $14k+ so I guess that makes us real rocket scientists. |
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Please don't buy any more of it...PLEASE!!! It's up to $109 per 1K. If you guys stop buying it, the demand will decrease and I might be able to get it shipped for less than $100 again. Am I cheap? Sure, but I've saved enough to build another friggen AR over the $200 per 1K NATO spec stuff. WIZZO |
Nope, Colt 6920 - Chrome lined for sure. Just possibly the circumstances I was in. The other guy who had a bolt shatter with Wolf, well I don't know his gun's exact specs. I know that he was running a stainless barrel but his bolt, well, I can't say who made it. Might have been a gun problem more than anything else in his case. There was a Wolf case stuck in his chamber when his bolt shattered. I've shot it before many times without issue, and shot a couple hundred rounds of it the day my rifle went down. Just that last drill 700 or so rounds in that day mixed between XM193 and Wolf did the Wolf finally get stuck. I'm not saying its bad, it just didn't work for me. |
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I don't doubt that some of you guys have had problems with wolf, but man I've had the exact opposite experience; I shoot obscene amounts of ammo with a local group of full auto having guys... there are next to no issues at all, every time we go. My M16 has seen over 20,000 rounds of the wolf, and in that I've had only a handful of issues (and of those I can't always say the ammo was the culprit). Think of it this way; it is the best plinking / training ammo you can find. For training, if your rifle does have problems with it at least you're training to clear jams! 
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Like Gunbert said if you run dirt ammo that may jam ammo when you training . Then clean rifle and use good ammo for when the SHTF your ready for anything. If the SHTF your rifle is going to get dirty anyway learn to overcome. Train like you fight . The AR15  is not a bench rifle but most use it for one.
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same thing happened to me a few days ago at the range. shitty wolf got jammed in the barrel of a bushmaster, had to pry bolt back with screwdriver to get it out 
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What is funny to me is how many of you guys act like getting a jam only ever happens with Wolf! Wake up gentlemen, jams happen with EVERYTHING, including all of the supposed hi-po ammos. It's the nature of the beast with these rifles. The army and marines only get the best lake city has to offer, yet they still train to clear jams. Why? Because jam's will still happen no matter how clean the rifle, how good the ammo or how trained the shooter (and always at the worst possible moment! remember, Murphy never sleeps! ). For just over half what you pay for 'better' ammo, wolf does extremely well. |
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I just shot some wolf for the first time today. Dissapointed that in how drama free it was! Much less recoil then XM193, but it was pleasant to shoot. Functioned flawlessly, but I did get some weird red stuff on my bolt face that I have never gotten before. Prior, I have only used XM193 and British Surplus Ammo. I will purcahse Wolf for letting my female friends and such shoot... It's good for plinking/practicing. One thing though, my bolt catch did not lock on the last round with mags loaded with wolf... short stroking? |
I had a 20" A2 that would sometimes fail to strip a round of wolf from the mags and would never lock open when using wolf. I'd bet it's the lower power of the ammo combined with the longer gas system. In short, some rifles dont like it.  My carbine and midlength run fine with it. |
Indeed! Look at the ammo review board. There are people who've voted that XM193/Q3131A did not work in their rifles. Sure - the percentages are smaller than with Wolf, but fact is - jams happen. So should we stop using XM193 because some people have experienced problems? I had to clear a round jammed in my buddy's new AR after it got stuck inthe chamber. XM193. Therefore, I should be on this board saying "XM193 JAMMED UP MY BUDDY'S RIFLE", "THIS IS WHY I DON'T SHOOT XM193", "STAY AWAY FROM XM193". That's just nonsense. |
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I had a broken shell this summer that was blue box Black Hills ammo. Black Hills is good stuff and it costs a whole lot more than Wolf yet it boggered up the works once for me. I had a round of XM193 cause problems years ago. I'm not saying Wolf is the only ammo that will fail; I'm just saying that what I saw this weekend proved to me that I won't use it for training or SHTF scenarios unless I absolutely have to. Now my next plinking session at camp, well that will be a Wolf session indeed! 
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That red stuff is from the sealant they use on the primers. I've seen it after shooting wolf too. I say you get what you pay for, and so far I've paid for a lot of fun with wolf. YMMV. 
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10K+ rounds of wolf fired both laquered and poly 0 problems in SS HBARS, molychrome, and chrome lined barrels all set up in different configurations from carbine to full length. But i do know this guy who knows this other guy who lives somewhere whose gun was glued shut by lacquer and then jumped up and kung fu kicked him in the nuts and did some matrix style stuff before floating into the sky never to be seen again. 
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Heh, sorry guys but I suppose I told this story so many times to everyone else, I forgot a detail. The reason the Wolf round got stuck in the chamber after it fired is because some how, the rim of the bullet where the extractor grabs BROKE off. At first I thought it was my extractor that broke and I took it apart not sure if I wanted to cry or kill. Afterall, it's my first AR and I have less than 2,000 rnds through it! But since the extractor wouldn't grab it, I was SOL... Perhaps it was just a fluke, the wrong bullet got put into the mag on the wrong side and the extractor hit it just wrong at the wrong temp and it snapped. Who knows, but I've been scarred! Perhaps some day I'll get brave enough (or broke and desperate enough) to buy wolf again... but not for a while. One another note, I got some XM193 and UMC .223 rounds and shot off about a 100 of the mix yesterday. It worked perfectly! Not a single hiccup, burp, fart, or unintended explosion. So, we'll just see how it goes! |
It is funny how the lowest bidder is so highly regarded by the public as top notch!Hills I can not comment on "Wolf" as I have no experience with the stuff. Quality over quantity! I'm just strange that way! |
Just curious, what brand rifle/barrel is it? |
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Wolf stuck in the chamber? That is why I bring a cleaning rod with me to the range. after 10.7K fired I have only had 4 rounds stuck on me. 3 of them because my extractor spring failed. Yes, train like you fight. Learn quickly to un-jam your weapon, get it back in service and keep up the fire! What if the zombie hordes were coming over the hill? "dang, I got a stuck shell. I better go home" don't give up on the ammo, learn from it! Be prepared for any failure! Don't worry, I'll cover your back when your clearing your weapon. Keep the appropriate tools in your kit bag. I keep a broken shell extractor, a GI cleaning rod and spare extractors/springs with me at the range. Your immediate action skills will benefit you in the long run. Relentless in Training, Unyielding in Combat! - US Army Infantry School motto |
+1......What kind of rifle and barrel is it?? |
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Just tape a cleaning rod to the stock when you shoot Wolf and you will be ready for anything. Hmm, where have we seen this before. Is history repeating itself? The AR-15/M-16 system was designed for brass cartridges, shoot Woofie in AKs  I have tried Woofie in my M4. It worked fine but I felt so dirty. |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Never using WOLF again. (Page 1 of 2)
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