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Posted: 1/19/2005 5:22:01 PM EDT
| Been reading all the posts I could find on PMC 223, first they had the camo box, before I tried anysaid it was ok ammo,then came the red and white box from Korea with the red sealer around the primer,now they have the red and white box from RIA (I think, don't have a box right now) with the staked in primer. Has there been a difference in preformance of the last two? And where the hell is RIA? Thanks. |
Believe your confusing PMP (South African) with PMC (once South Korean, no longer, see below) in your post there Roetgen.  As to the PMC question, when in doubt, "google it".......... About PMC The original parent company, a U.S. corporation registered in Delaware, was founded in the late 1970's in New York as Patton Morgan Corporation. It began operations by importing military style small arms ammunition and .22 rimfire ammunition manufactured in South Korea. The ammunition was sold then, as it still is, under the registered brand name "PMC Ammunition", and the original slogan, "Precision Made Cartridges" has never changed. Several years later, the company moved to Los Angeles, California, and its name was changed to Pan Metal Corporation. In addition to its ammunition business, the company also dealt in other facets of the metals business. Early in the 1980's, the increasingly successful ammunition line was expanded to include hunting (soft point) cartridges in the rifle calibers, and hollow points in the handgun ammunition. In 1988, factory facilities were purchased near Boulder City, Nevada, for the production of ammunition to supplement the Korean imports, and for the purpose of producing two new lines of high performance cartridges. These were the Starfire handgun ammunition for law enforcement and home and personal defense, and X-Bullet rifle ammunition for big game hunting, which were introduced to the market in late 1991. In 1996, shotgun shells were added to the line. The factory is operated under the name Eldorado Cartridge Corporation, and is a subsidiary of Pan Metal Corporation. Today, the company's continuously expanding small arms ammunition product selection includes a full line of centerfire rifle and pistol ammunition, rimfire ammunition, shotgun shells, and reloading components. Recently, a new company known as B.C. Outdoors was incorporated and became a part of the "Eldorado Cartridge Corporation Group of Companies." B.C. Outdoors imports the Verona line of quality superposed shotguns from Italy. The company's stated purpose, like that of Eldorado Cartridge Corporation, is "to provide high quality outdoor products to its customers at a reasonable price." During its more than two decades of ammunition production and sales, PMC Ammunition has become very well known in the United States and other countries of the world as a source of high quality small arms cartridges. The firm is now considered the fourth largest ammunition company in the United States. Mike |
Actually, it is made in South Africa. I just got a case from Natchez and each and every 20 rd box is stamped "Made in RSA". RSA=Republic of South Africa. Outsourcing strikes again! That said, for $2.99/box, it's not bad range ammo. |
Hmmm. I bought 400 rounds of PMC from Natchez a few weeks ago and every box is marked "Made in R.O. Korea". I got that $2.99/box deal too. Scott |
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I just bought some PMC 55gr, Lot 058, from Natchez and it says, "Made in R.S.A." Here is what the bullet looks side to side with XM193 on left, PMC on right:  Rear view:  Cut view. Sorry, the hacksaw blade was rough on the view. Left XM193, middle PMC, Right new Wolf 55gr.  It is hard to tell from the photos, but to me the jacket looks like the same thickness on all three, including the Wolf. Can someone who is good at cutting and measuring verify the jacket thickness? The Wolf is supposed to be much thicker, right? |
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Both answers are correct. Older PMC was made on Korean machines and was VERY close to M193 55grn ammo in both appearance and performance, was a little on the dirty side but it used to be one of the best values out there. Then around 1998-1999 it was getting scarce due to some hooplah over the stuff being manufactured on US donated equipment or some crap. It dried up for awhile only to come back as a much downloaded and lesser performing offering, I noted a big difference in the way it performed in my 20inch Bushmaster over the previous stuff that I had stashed away. Then, later in like 2000-2001 the newer stuff started coming in from Africa which was a near duplicate of the PMP stuff. Different cannelure on the bullet, different sealant color(black instead of read) and clearly not the same ammo as the Korean manufactured stuff. PMC used to be GREAT ammo for the cost back in 1998 and earlier, still got a limited amount of it stashed that I need to shoot up now that I have mucho Q3131A and XM193 in my stash. I also have some of the South African PMC offering if I recall correctly. If I have the digital camera out in the next few days I'll post pictures between the two different PMC offerings. Till then, tag... |
Mr. Wilson......No need to google.....Have bought .223 PMC ammo for years.....I stand by my original statement, which has been confirmed by other members. 
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I was looking at PMC ammo recently myself. I got some from Gander Mountain that was made in the U.S.A. Worked well. I was looking at some cases of it at a shop in Buffalo, NY last week. Some of te boxes were marked "Made in RSA" and some were marked "Made in South Korea". Price was tempting, at $169/1000 but I passed and got some Federal XM193 instead. Price was only a few buck more. |
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=70813 WX2-51603 - PMC™ Bronze Line Target .223 Rem. 55 Gr. FMJ-BT 20 rds. $3.77 Club Price $3.58 weird, it was $3.01/box for club members when I ordered it friday |
ps where is the trigger on this thing?
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