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Posted: 7/24/2003 5:35:39 PM EDT
CTD has dropped the price on these to $3.25/20. Sure seems like they were more expensive some weeks ago. Just out of curiosity:

1) Is the bullet steel jacketed like other Russkie ammo, or is it a "fragmentable" gilded jacket.

2) The AR15 ammo FAQ states that S&B has been known to cause kabooms. Is this still applicable, or has everyone's opinion changed ?

$162.50/1000 is not the greatest deal, but it's pretty decent. I can usually find Q3131A at the local gunshow for about $170/1000 including tax, so it's a wash. It would be nice to have a reasonably priced alternative though, especially if the S&B stuff is the real McM193. The real McCoy, get it ? Snort. I crack myself up......
Link Posted: 7/24/2003 6:15:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By zhukov: 1) Is the bullet steel jacketed like other Russkie ammo, or is it a "fragmentable" gilded jacket. [red]S&B is not "Russkie" ammo. It's Czech.[/red] 2) The AR15 ammo FAQ states that S&B has been known to cause kabooms. Is this still applicable, or has everyone's opinion changed ? [red]The older S&B had problems. The newer stuff has supposedly fixed those problems.[/red] $162.50/1000 is not the greatest deal, but it's pretty decent. I can usually find Q3131A at the local gunshow for about $170/1000 including tax, so it's a wash. It would be nice to have a reasonably priced alternative though, especially if the S&B stuff is the real McM193. The real McCoy, get it ? Snort. I crack myself up...... [red]In my experience, S&B is lightly loaded compared to Q3131A. For the $7.50 price difference, I'd get the Winchester stuff.[/red]
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Link Posted: 7/24/2003 8:52:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/24/2003 11:09:16 PM EDT
Troy is right (as usual). S&B is a copper coated STEEL bullet. It will NOT fragment like real M193. Not only is it loaded to .223 specs, I find it to be very dirty in comparison to other brands. If the difference in price between S&B and Q3131A is $7.50 + tax, get the latter. You would probably be a lot happier.
Link Posted: 7/25/2003 6:56:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Troy: S&B ammo uses a copper-plated steel bullet jacket. It is loaded to .223 specs (not like hot 5.56). The cases are Boxer-primed (reloadable). It's *possible* the price drop is because they have some older bad lots they want to get rid of, or just because of the low-priced, high-quality ammo available (Q3131A, XM193). -Troy
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Wow. It's hard to believe they advertise it as M193. That's really misleading. I'll definitely stick to Q3131A for that price.....
Link Posted: 7/25/2003 8:06:02 AM EDT
TROY I know the M193S&B has a Different Jacket but does it have a steel core LIKE NEWBE says
Link Posted: 7/25/2003 12:29:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/25/2003 6:29:29 PM EDT
TROY I was going from what newbe said up above! S&B IS A COPPER COATED STEEL BULLET I DIDNT THINK SO!
Link Posted: 7/25/2003 6:42:31 PM EDT
It may have some merit against barriers, but smells like cat piss when you shoot it. I think "copperwashed steel jacketed lead cored bullet" might be a better term for it's construction IMHO. YMMV MM419
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 2:13:49 AM EDT
Exactly what MM419 said! Perhaps I did not clearly explain what I meant to say.
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 10:09:19 AM EDT
Cool I just thought I could of been wrong all of these years
Link Posted: 7/26/2003 1:06:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Troy: No one claimed S&B "M193" has a steel CORE. It has a lead core, but has a steel jacket. It does not fragment at .223 speeds at any distance. -Troy
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It has excellent penetration against hard targets, too. All the speed of 55 grains, with the Tomback jacket. It won't expand or frag on much of anything, though.
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