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3/14/2003 5:44:18 AM EDT
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3/14/2003 7:03:48 AM EDT
[#1]
Sorry never heard of it. But.........any chance I could get in on that deal. For 0.08 cents/rnd that is just to good to pass up.
3/14/2003 7:14:53 AM EDT
[#2]
Yes... Iwas also wondering...
3/14/2003 8:30:33 AM EDT
[#3]
Sounds too good to be true.

THe best I've bought SA surplus for was $0.12 per round.

I wonder if it's the commercial PMP made by Denel.

Have them read you the label off a box.

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3/14/2003 10:33:46 AM EDT
[#4]
What is the case head-stamp on this ammo?

If it's DNL, it was made in the 1990s by the same parastatal company (Denel - formerly Armscor) that made the battle-pack ammo for the South African Defence Force in the 1980s (which have 85, 86, 87 etc. head-stamps).

I'm using DNL head-stamp 5,56x45mm and it works great.  (I'm not getting it so cheaply though - have to pay $6.75 for a box of 30 here in South Africa!)

Cheers from Cape Town!
3/14/2003 6:26:04 PM EDT
[#5]
That stuff has been floating around for at least 5 years. Cole Distributing has had it for years, J&G Sales more recently, but they were out last time I checked.

It's Denel, made in the late 90's, low flash, but not as hot as M193. It was popular here a few years ago before the battlepacks were more widely available.

I've seen it sold as .223 and 5.56. I'm not sure which it is.

I've used it in my Colt & DPMS and it's never failed.
3/14/2003 6:41:37 PM EDT
[#6]
For those of us who aren't concered about the battlepack packaging, where can we get this discount "loose" SA ammo?

TIA
3/15/2003 11:33:05 AM EDT
[#7]
I bought a bunch when Bob What's-His-Face was humping it for Coles. This is the stuff that had the crap in the extractor groove. Ran OK but was a good bit underloaded compared to real M193. Worth .08 per round for plinking, though. Just not SHTF ammo.
3/15/2003 12:29:59 PM EDT
[#8]
As people have mentioned, this ammo should be much newer production (98 or later), and should be Boxer-primed (reloadable), but will be 150-200 fps slower than M193 specs.  Some of the ammo also had excess sealant in the extractor groove, which bothered some folks visually, but IIRC, never caused a functional problem.

-Troy
3/27/2003 6:41:42 AM EDT
[#9]
Is there any more, if so where can I get it?
3/27/2003 12:59:39 PM EDT
[#10]
It turns out that the website was not clear.

This deal does not exist.

Do a search for [b]223[/b] at [url]http://www.coledistributing.com[/url] and see what I mean.

Sorry Guys
3/27/2003 6:29:33 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Anyone had any experience with this stuff?

South African M-193 5.56 made by Denel Group

I have a chance to buy 2,880 rounds for $210 delivered.  Yes that is less than .08 cents per round.

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I went to Cole's and searched "223"......

OK.....So what is the problem? The website clearly shows 990 rounds of this stuff for $149 plus shipping.

Where did you ever get $210 for 2880 rounds????


Maybe someone needs to get some thick glasses....
3/28/2003 8:34:12 AM EDT
[#12]
I just ordered 1000 rounds from AIM surplus. It's the PMP in the box with the gazelle on it.  They have it listed today for $72 for 500 rounds, so about $145/ 1000.  

Hopefully it will be good.. I've had some of the SA surplus in the battle pack, that was excellent.  Sure the PMP might be a little slower, but for my intended use (tactical matches, ranges less than 50, mostly less than 25 yards)

I'll get a report up when I fire some!
3/28/2003 10:15:11 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Anyone had any experience with this stuff?

South African M-193 5.56 made by Denel Group

I have a chance to buy 2,880 rounds for $210 delivered.  Yes that is less than .08 cents per round.

View Quote

I went to Cole's and searched "223"......

OK.....So what is the problem? The website clearly shows 990 rounds of this stuff for $149 plus shipping.

Where did you ever get $210 for 2880 rounds????


Maybe someone needs to get some thick glasses....
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Because they changed it after I complained.  The $210 is the plus shipping.  

Think about it before you make smart A$$ comments.
3/29/2003 2:20:58 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
I just ordered 1000 rounds from AIM surplus. It's the PMP in the box with the gazelle on it.  They have it listed today for $72 for 500 rounds, so about $145/ 1000.
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'bout how much was shipping on that?
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