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9/25/2015 10:09:22 PM EDT
Team I am having an issue with a dedicated AR15 22lr I built.

Known good lower borrowed from a 556 rifle until I can build my stripped lower.
Upper is a Spikes blem so the finish on the inside isn't up to par
Barrel is Spikes bought listed as new but suspect could be used
Collar is Spikes
Rest of conversion is CMMG
Ammo tested: Remington "subsonic" and CCI Standard
Mags: BDM 25rd known good (2 were tested and both had symptoms)

Conversion ran near perfect with chamber adapter for 223/556 for a few years. Only difference was a complete disassemble and cleaning before the Spikes collar went on. I ran the rifle with no lube and with some spray CLP, no change.

I am having a couple different issues.

1) When pulling the charging handle back attempting to chamber a round it get stuck anywhere from 1/2 to 3/4 into the chamber. When inspecting the rounds after ejecting them manually it seems the bullet is deformed and at an angle.

2) When I do get a round chambered and pull the trigger greater than 3/4 of time it doesn't fire. I stand there expecting a delayed reaction but nothing. Drop the mag and cycle the charging handle (round doesn't get ejected) only to have the round fire upon the bolt slamming home with the empty case ejecting upon firing.

The fired cases appear to show the case rupturing and one shows what I believe to be an OOB. Fired cases appear to be deformed on the rim, as if it didn't have full chamber support.

Looking at it assembled the feed ramp may not line up with the barrel, but this is my first so I don't really know.


What do you ya'll think could be the issue?



Pictures of the cases and rounds that won't fully seat.





And the most severe case rupture:



Collar and bolt fully seated with no round






Couple different angles of the chamber







Collar and chamber with bolt pulled back and pressure on back of conversion to remain seated

9/26/2015 1:46:43 AM EDT
[#1]
Did you assemble the upper?  Can you pull the collar and take some photos of it on the barrel?  And a pic of the bolt closed with a loaded round it in.

I would also buzz the chamber to smooth it out.

MAHA
9/26/2015 7:33:55 AM EDT
[#2]
Looks like someone chamfered the chamber mouth WAY too much.
9/26/2015 11:24:50 AM EDT
[#3]
Thinking about it, the headspace may be off since the extractor doesn't pick up the loaded round in the chamber. It only picks it up once it was slammed home and fires without a pull of the trigger.

Bad barrel??

Working on pics.

ETA here are the pics

For reasons listed above with slam firing, I am not inserting a live round with the bolt in the gun.

Spent round from a 22 bolt








Just the collar






Loaded round with only the collar on

9/26/2015 1:28:02 PM EDT
[#4]
I don't know...I just used a spikes barrel with similar chamfer and it works fine. Not saying it's not an issue in this case though.
9/26/2015 3:27:17 PM EDT
[#5]
Some conversion kits and dedicated uppers will not cycle standard velocity or subsonic ammo without modifing the recoil spring or hammer spring.

The conversion bolt might be getting to much fore and aft movement.  TACCOM3 sells a plug to place in front of the buffer to keep the conversion bolt from moving inside the upper.  You can also tape a couple of quarters onto the end of the buffer to see if this helps.  I have had very good functioning with Federal 36 grain bulk HP, WW 555 bulk packs and CCI Blazer ammo.

Most of the early CMMG & Ciener style conversion bolts would not extract live ammo out of the chamber.  Newer CMMG conversion bolts feature a modified extractor to pull live rounds out of the chamber.  A lot of 22 rimfire extraction is caused by the rearward push when the round is fired.  Even though a dedicated upper will not extract live or dummy ammo doesn't mean it won't function when firing live ammo.
9/26/2015 3:40:24 PM EDT
[#6]
I attempted to fire live ammo and found the problrms.
9/26/2015 4:40:28 PM EDT
[#7]
This topic has me very curious. I built two completely different dedicated .22LR and have not had a problem with either one. Both did use a CMMG bolt and collar but different barrels, uppers, lowers and triggers.  I did not use a TACCOM spacer in front of the buffer either. As soon as I get home from work (very soon I hope)  I'm going to look at my bolt/collar set up to see if it looks like yours.




9/26/2015 5:07:10 PM EDT
[#8]
Another issue which occurs for some users of conversion kits and dedicated uppers are notched hammers.  It really depends on the individual lover and hammer whether this is an issue.  Some notched hammers snag on the bottom rear of the conversion bolt below the firing pin.  There may be visible wear marks where the hammer is catching on the under side of the bolt.



9/26/2015 8:03:26 PM EDT
[#9]
Get a Taccom or CMMG barrel and collar.
Spikes put out crap. It either ran or it didn't.
Feed ramp has always been wrong.
The barrel has too much work done to it.

Don't waste your time and money trying to get it to run. It won't.

Dave N
9/26/2015 8:29:10 PM EDT
[#10]
The lower was used originally with the conversion with a 556 barrel with near flawless results. Hammer is rounded.
9/26/2015 8:30:32 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote History
Quoted:
Get a Taccom or CMMG barrel and collar.
Spikes put out crap. It either ran or it didn't.
Feed ramp has always been wrong.
The barrel has too much work done to it.

Don't waste your time and money tring to get it to run. It won't

Dave N
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I thought a CMMG collar wouldn't work on a Spikes barrel.

I bought the barrel under the guise of being NOS, for a lack of a better word, so if the barrel has been buggered before I got it I will return from where it came and try something else.
9/26/2015 8:54:17 PM EDT
[#12]
See next post
9/26/2015 8:54:54 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote History
Quoted:
Get a Taccom or CMMG barrel and collar.
Spikes put out crap. It either ran or it didn't.
Feed ramp has always been wrong.
The barrel has too much work done to it.

Don't waste your time and money tring to get it to run. It won't

Dave N
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Curious what you mean in saying that the barrel has too much work done on it.
9/27/2015 8:02:05 AM EDT
[#14]
The ramp looks excessive.....is that were the case is failing? That would be a case support issue and the barrel would be bad at that point. HOWEVER......

As a rule, if you are getting blow outs and or otherwise case failures......one of 2 things are bad.

1) the recoil spring is too weak.....easy fix, get one of ours.
2) the firing pin is capable of firing the round more than .06" out of battery......clean up the chamber....keep it clean and remove about .030" off the head of the firing pin.....basically, when you push the firing pin forwar, you'd like to see about .010 to .020 sticking out....or only about .025" of the tip of the firing pin sticking out the front (not out the bolt face.....out the headspace)

TIm
9/27/2015 8:03:36 AM EDT
[#15]
as for the feeding.....Shadowcop is correct.......lots of polishing and or grinding to lower the feed ramp may be in order.....and if the barrel is bad, not worth the effort

Tim
9/28/2015 9:16:55 PM EDT
[#16]
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Curious what you mean in saying that the barrel has too much work done on it.
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Quoted:
Get a Taccom or CMMG barrel and collar.
Spikes put out crap. It either ran or it didn't.
Feed ramp has always been wrong.
The barrel has too much work done to it.

Don't waste your time and money tring to get it to run. It won't

Dave N



Curious what you mean in saying that the barrel has too much work done on it.


Someone, be it Spikes or whoever, has ground the barrel to meet the too short feed ramp, which is already at too  much of an angle. It may run better with a shorter 36 gr. hollow point. But the case is still not supported enough on the bottom.
And like Tim said, if crud builds up around the chamber, which will happen quickly using Remington, it can keep the round from fully seating, causing an out of battery discharge.
Dave N
9/30/2015 10:26:11 PM EDT
[#17]
Thanks for all the tips and suggesrions. I decided to forgo the work needed and I am returning the barrel and getting money back.

Now to choose between taccom and cmmg and if I want a 16 or 9 in barrel for my 22 can to live on. Decisions decisions........
10/1/2015 12:37:57 AM EDT
[#18]
Go with TACCOM Tim has already helped you once to figure this out. He is a great guy and any extra cost is well worth the after sale support.

MAHA
10/1/2015 7:40:19 AM EDT
[#19]
I also recommend Taccom.
I have 5 Taccom builds and all are accurate and ultra reliable.

Dave N
10/1/2015 9:27:23 AM EDT
[#20]
TACCOM

2 builds here and excellent CS.
10/2/2015 8:57:38 AM EDT
[#21]
My CMMG factory dedicated .22 upper is picky about what I feed it.

When I took it out the first time, I was having feeding issues (not chambering all the way), which led to a few FTFs and one out-of-battery ignition. This was with Remington, if I remember correctly.

Anyway, it seems that mine does prefer plated ammo, but last time I took it out it didn't hiccup with either Federal or CCI lead round nose.

I would assemble a variety of ammo and see if the results are consistent.
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