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Posted: 4/7/2013 8:31:23 AM EDT
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I know that it's been rumoured for... well nearly forever, that someone is/will be building an upper chambered for .22WMR, but does anyone know if such a thing is actually in production or will imminently be in production?
I've been offered an HK300, but would prefer an AR-22WMR out of choice... |
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HK300 is beautiful - almost bought one but not sure about a reliable source for the buffers required so I passed. Expensive.
That said - AR in .22WMR would be interesting. It's been done but mags are a problem. Perhaps someone is far enough along that the mag problem will be resolved. 
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That said - AR in .22WMR would be interesting. It's been done but mags are a problem. Perhaps someone is far enough along that the mag problem will be resolved.
I know from past posts on the subject that Black Dog have done some work for an AR magazine in .22 WMR |
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for the $ of 22mag,I can reload 223. not to mention price of a new upper and added mags. just my $.02. clown My same experience. While the .22 mag has its uses, just like the .17 mag based on it, I wonder if there really is a big market for it. And now we have the new .17 Winchester Super Mag that is coming out that shames them all. These rounds all have their place but is there a market for an AR upper for them? We have heard talk about it for years but vaporware so far. Lots of problems. While they are great rounds for a bolt gun engineering them for an AR upper, then selling enough of them to make it worthwhile is another thing. .17 Winchester Super Magnum Maybe they will upsize the Super Mag to fire a .22 bullet? It would shame the .22 mag. |
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The issue in the UK is that we are only allowed to own semi-autos in .22 rimfire (so no HMRs or HM2s).
As a result, WMR is the most powerful round we can have in semi & therefore there is a potential market for them this side of the pond. The price per round has nothing to do with it here... |
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The issue in the UK is that we are only allowed to own semi-autos in .22 rimfire (so no HMRs or HM2s). As a result, WMR is the most powerful round we can have in semi & therefore there is a potential market for them this side of the pond. The price per round has nothing to do with it here... Now, that answer makes sense...... |
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The issue in the UK is that we are only allowed to own semi-autos in .22 rimfire (so no HMRs or HM2s). As a result, WMR is the most powerful round we can have in semi & therefore there is a potential market for them this side of the pond. The price per round has nothing to do with it here... I would LOVE to see the new 17WSM necked up to .22... |
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You also have states where a .22 magnum is legal for hunting but no center fire rounds for hunting are.
Recently, I've seen more .22 mag that 5.56 ammo on shelves. Hope that changes soon. Mags will not be difficult and are made by a well know source. This particular design has already been proven in private testing. Dave N |
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No, I am still waiting. However I know the designer personally. I can't say much more about it now but bolts are being machined, barrels have already been cut, and mags are being built. So, unless something disastrous happens, they are well on their way. Dave N Dave: You're killing us! 
PS: If mags are being made by a well known dog - please - 10 rounders too for those of us behind the lines. |
| Well it seems this may happen after all. It has been kicked around for a few years now. Tonight I got a bit of info on it and seeing who is involved it would appear that this thing might fly after all. It still remains to be seen how big the market for this is however. But, seeing who the players are....I am sure they have done their homework. |
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Geeze guys you really need to hang around here more often . There have been threads about .22 WMR over the past few years. There have been 2 prototypes built that I am aware of - 1 by a guy on this forum who's name I forget and 1 by Tim from Taccom3g. My bet is Taccom3g - If you have questions call Tim - Taccom 3g
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Geeze guys you really need to hang around here more often . There have been threads about .22 WMR over the past few years. There have been 2 prototypes built that I am aware of - 1 by a guy on this forum who's name I forget and 1 by Tim from Taccom3g. My bet is Taccom3g - If you have questions call Tim - Taccom 3g YMMV I actually remember one made on the 261. Either this one or another used Marlin(?) .22 WMR mags and utilized the buffer and spring via an extension on the bolt to help control the more powerful round. Not much after that. Or maybe I just dreamed it all up... 
Edited to add: Not dreaming: AR-fan built several units using the 261 and Marlin mags: I actually built three different bolts, two of which had operating rods that worked against the buffer and spring, the third was built like a full sized AR bolt. All three were based on the M261 22lr conversion unit. The easy mags are Marlin 7 round 22 magnum bolt action magazines set up to work with the conversion unit. The more dificult mags are modified Marlin mags that take up to 20 rounds –– kind of a pain to load. Posted: 4/10/2011 5:13:10 AM HST [Last Edit: 4/10/2011 7:00:21 AM HST by AR-fan] Quoted: I too, wanted to go the route of an insert for the 22WMR.....it's just not a good way to go. With 22lr, people can do that with an insert because they want to 'play' with their AR15 in an inexpensive way. And when I mean play, I'm talking training, putting down lots of lead at the range, etc. Heck, I love playing with a 22lr upper at the range.....I shoot atleast 500 rounds each time I go. With the 22WMR.....the real way to go is with a dedicated upper with the propoer twist to achieve the most accuracy. I believe that most people that want a 22wmr upper want one for a little more power for hunting and still have a reasonable ammo cost. There are also the guys that want a 22 rim fire that is a little more accurate out at longer distances. I really don't think that anyone is going to buy a 22WMR to go to that range and shoot off 500 to a 1000 rounds like they would with a 22lr. And think of this.....500 rounds of 22WMR could cost you 80 to 130 bucks!! I suspect a guy will go thru 50 to 100 rounds at the range each time, but thats about it. Or he may just make sure that it's sighted in.....get his best groups and put it away. Don't get me wrong, a 22WMR insert is a neat idea......but I also believe that if you had one, you'd want to upgrade to a dedicated upper pretty fast. Tim I think you said it very well! You go to the range to sight it in and maybe play a little. the 22 magnum is best used as a small game hunting round –– some yote hunters love it. Tim, One funny little 22 magnum project I tried was using one of those 22lr conversion barrel –– the type that was made 10 or 15 years ago. The barrels were chambered to accept any type of 22lr conversion which, at the time, were limited to Ciener, M261 and the Air Force conversion units. The barrel had a standard 1:16 twist and the correct bore for 22lr ammo. What I did was use the 22WMR adapter (Modified M261 unit) and a 5 round 22 WMR magazine to test it with. It actually shot very well but, again, I figured I was probably loosing a lot due to gas leakage. If the chambed end was designed to accept a special adapter that locked in place it probably would have worked great and could have had a 22lr conversion to go along with it so the setup would have worked in either 22lr or 22 WMR. I didn't have the equipment to build a locking chamber and adapter so this never went any further but I thought it might be something to think about. YMMV Links: http://s184.photobucket.com/user/22_boomer/media/Mynew22magnumKKFbarrekvideo.flv.html http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=15&t=439812 http://s184.photobucket.com/user/22_boomer/media/My22magnumconvunitmagfunctiontest.flv.html And I do have a KKF barrel...
Discussion on Nordic & Alexander Arms http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=15&t=472817 |
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Still waiting..... What I'd really like to see is a conversion bolt kit and mags, but a dedicated upper will do nicely! It would appear a conversion would be a good bet....the right bore diameter, etc. But, maybe there is more to this than we know. I do know that Ruger had a heck of a time with their 10/22 mag rifle. Seemed to like to break parts. The .22 mag has a lot more umph than a lowly .22 LR. Tim at TACCOM has a vast knowledge of this sort of stuff and I would trust what he says on this. Meanwhile.....we are all waiting............and waiting.......... Oh, I have several boxes of .22 mag ammo in the cabinet...maybe I can sell it to someone. Sold my Ruger .22 convertible revolver last year. |
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Geeze guys you really need to hang around here more often . There have been threads about .22 WMR over the past few years. There have been 2 prototypes built that I am aware of - 1 by a guy on this forum who's name I forget and 1 by Tim from Taccom3g. My bet is Taccom3g - If you have questions call Tim - Taccom 3g YMMV I actually remember one made on the 261. Either this one or another used Marlin(?) .22 WMR mags and utilized the buffer and spring via an extension on the bolt to help control the more powerful round. Not much after that. Or maybe I just dreamed it all up...
Edited to add: Not dreaming: AR-fan built several units using the 261 and Marlin mags: I actually built three different bolts, two of which had operating rods that worked against the buffer and spring, the third was built like a full sized AR bolt. All three were based on the M261 22lr conversion unit. The easy mags are Marlin 7 round 22 magnum bolt action magazines set up to work with the conversion unit. The more dificult mags are modified Marlin mags that take up to 20 rounds –– kind of a pain to load. Posted: 4/10/2011 5:13:10 AM HST [Last Edit: 4/10/2011 7:00:21 AM HST by AR-fan] Quoted: I too, wanted to go the route of an insert for the 22WMR.....it's just not a good way to go. With 22lr, people can do that with an insert because they want to 'play' with their AR15 in an inexpensive way. And when I mean play, I'm talking training, putting down lots of lead at the range, etc. Heck, I love playing with a 22lr upper at the range.....I shoot atleast 500 rounds each time I go. With the 22WMR.....the real way to go is with a dedicated upper with the propoer twist to achieve the most accuracy. I believe that most people that want a 22wmr upper want one for a little more power for hunting and still have a reasonable ammo cost. There are also the guys that want a 22 rim fire that is a little more accurate out at longer distances. I really don't think that anyone is going to buy a 22WMR to go to that range and shoot off 500 to a 1000 rounds like they would with a 22lr. And think of this.....500 rounds of 22WMR could cost you 80 to 130 bucks!! I suspect a guy will go thru 50 to 100 rounds at the range each time, but thats about it. Or he may just make sure that it's sighted in.....get his best groups and put it away. Don't get me wrong, a 22WMR insert is a neat idea......but I also believe that if you had one, you'd want to upgrade to a dedicated upper pretty fast. Tim I think you said it very well! You go to the range to sight it in and maybe play a little. the 22 magnum is best used as a small game hunting round –– some yote hunters love it. Tim, One funny little 22 magnum project I tried was using one of those 22lr conversion barrel –– the type that was made 10 or 15 years ago. The barrels were chambered to accept any type of 22lr conversion which, at the time, were limited to Ciener, M261 and the Air Force conversion units. The barrel had a standard 1:16 twist and the correct bore for 22lr ammo. What I did was use the 22WMR adapter (Modified M261 unit) and a 5 round 22 WMR magazine to test it with. It actually shot very well but, again, I figured I was probably loosing a lot due to gas leakage. If the chambed end was designed to accept a special adapter that locked in place it probably would have worked great and could have had a 22lr conversion to go along with it so the setup would have worked in either 22lr or 22 WMR. I didn't have the equipment to build a locking chamber and adapter so this never went any further but I thought it might be something to think about. YMMV Links: http://s184.photobucket.com/user/22_boomer/media/Mynew22magnumKKFbarrekvideo.flv.html http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=15&t=439812 http://s184.photobucket.com/user/22_boomer/media/My22magnumconvunitmagfunctiontest.flv.html And I do have a KKF barrel...
Discussion on Nordic & Alexander Arms http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=15&t=472817 That 22 magnum work was done by me many years ago and I still have dedicated upper and it shoots great. The conversion unit idea didn't go very well -- it worked great but there were too many other things that needed to be right to make it work -- it was fun but not worth it. I was in contact with a fellow that had a working version he wanted go commercial with a couple of years back and the only real problem he had was the same as mine -- the magazines. I believe if he can get a good working magazine for his setup it will make a really good small game hunting rifle. With the new 30gr V-max bullets, the 22 magnum ammo is super accurate and makes the AR setup a small game hunter's dream. I built a 17HMR upper also and it ran great for years but, with wear and springs changing over time it got nasty, so I took it apart. The 22 magnum ammo is more expensive than 22lr but it has it's place and it would be nice if a commercial 22 magnum AR version could be built -- it's really great for small game hunting. |
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No, I am still waiting. However I know the designer personally. I can't say much more about it now but bolts are being machined, barrels have already been cut, and mags are being built. So, unless something disastrous happens, they are well on their way. Dave N This project intrigues me. Important question: will this require a buffer tube, or will folding stocks be possible? |
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Geeze guys you really need to hang around here more often . There have been threads about .22 WMR over the past few years. There have been 2 prototypes built that I am aware of - 1 by a guy on this forum who's name I forget and 1 by Tim from Taccom3g. My bet is Taccom3g - If you have questions call Tim - Taccom 3g YMMV I am familiar with the .22 WMR work and have followed it for a couple of years now. BUT, do you see them in stores in your area? Do you see them available for order anywhere? Like I said...when its in your hand it is real..... |
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