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Posted: 3/1/2011 8:40:34 PM EDT
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SOG has Chiappa .22 LR uppers for $279. Most other dedicated .22 uppers are $500 or more. I have a Ceiner kit for my H-BAR but I really don't like using it. Accurary isn't as good a my Marlin and I hate having to scrub the barrel. Any feedback on the Chiappa upper? What about the whole gun. They have a Chiappa .22 LR AR-15 for $379 that claims to have a mil-spec lower. Is it really a true AR-15 lower so if I wanted, I could just stick another AR upper on it? It seems that $100 for a complete lower with stock would be a good deal. The only issue is that the stock doesn't collapse but I'm thinking that I could just drill out a pin. Any thoughts on that. Thanks all. |
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=15&t=523472
The hit the link in a few posts down. At the come there's a thread just six lines lower with a really good report, and where for $250. OTOH, if you have a Ciener, you can buy a CMMG upper sans bolt for $250, though you'll need a collar, and it'll have a forged receiver. |
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Quoted:. Do ALOT of research before you plop down more than 1/2 the money a used dedicated upper from a good rep'd brand would cost.
Where does one find these used uppers? Probably not something you will find every day but check the EE. I found one for a buddy there about a year ago in state for a good price. Just keep checking or put in a WTB ad. What you get is UP TO YOU. If you want the Chip, then get it. You will find lots of opinions here, and you must weed through them to make YOUR choice. Good luck and welcome to the site. |
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If you want the Chip, then get it. Don't know what I want yet. Until a couple weeks ago, I hadn't even given the idea of a .22 LR upper any thought at all. Maybe that's not entirely true since I did buy that Ciener but that was only used once or twice. Someone mentioned buying a CMMG upper without a bolt and I'm guessing that the Ciener conversion bolt would work with that setup. What about magazines? I'm not a gear freak. My first thought that it would a nice way to get some use out of my AR lower without blowing the mortgage payment on 5.56 ammo. |
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Do you have spares?
For about $100 you can get a CMMG barrel and collar (Midway or CMMG). It even has the collar. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=386739 You have the bolt. You need an upper receiver, barrel nut, delta ring, handguard, HG cap, sights. Or cheap FF HG, so you don't need the Delta, cap, HG.Sights of choice, even a $42 NcStar red dot. Mags are pretty standard: Ciener, Black Dog, CMMG. Done. |
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=15&t=523472 The hit the link in a few posts down. At the come there's a thread just six lines lower with a really good report, and where for $250. OTOH, if you have a Ciener, you can buy a CMMG upper sans bolt for $250, though you'll need a collar, and it'll have a forged receiver. I'm having a bit of trouble making sense of this. Could you repeat in simpler terms for someone who doesn't speak AR-15 very well. For example, what is a "collar" and what does it do? |
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Collar
Different manu. but same idea. ETA: He is saying to buy upper without the BCG (bolt carrier group) and buy the collar to use your BCG |
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Do you have spares? Spares? Spare whats? Sorry. Some guys who have more than one AR, especially many those who have done a couple builds or changed parts wind up with extra /spare parts. So if you had a stripped upper receiver and a cheapie free float hand guard ($45 retail new), and since you have a Ciener kit, you would only lacking a barrel and collar to be have a complete (less sights) for a complete upper. It appears you DON'T have a box of extra parts, so your least alternative Chiappa in the $250-275 range, or a CMMG upper WITHOUT bolt but with collar in order to use your Ciener (about $250). Next up is the complete CMMG upper @ $349 |
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I didn't think that the chamber adapter could be removed from the Ceiner kit. Is this a one way operation or can it be restored to original condition? You just (carefully) spread the rails...without bending them, and roll out the chamber adapter and replace it with the collar. Yes, you can put it back. Remember, someone built this thing from pieces that had to be assembled. Just be careful not to bend it, the most common mistake people make when they try to force it apart. |
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Well, most of the conversion manufacturers say you shouldn't take the unit apart. Probably liability regarding sort of customer capable of breaking ball bearings with a rubber mallet .
It is possible to bend the rail ("receive plate" in Ceiner parlance). Christie & Christie's $400 lefty conversion kit supplies with a take down tool to help this problem. I haven't bent one in 7 years yet. |
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Remember, someone built this thing from pieces that had to be assembled. True but there are many things that are designed so they can't be taken apart without doing severe damage. Learning all sorts of good stuff. I have had many .22 conversions apart and back together, even modified parts from different brands to make them work together. Never had a problem but I spent many years working with precision machines and devices and am very careful and deliberate in my work. I can not speak for others. CMMG says the most common issue with returned units is damage from improper disassemble. I can not disagree with that assessment as I can see how if someone was rough or improper in taking one apart they could bend the rails. Just because one person can do something doesn't mean everyone else can do it. |
| I did exactly this today. I ordered the barrel/collar from CMMG, the stripped upper, forward assist, and port door from Brownells. I had a RRA comp and gunshow free float tube laying around. Gonna put a RRA Scout rail on it, and a cheap Bushnell 1.5-5x, gonna be my 3gun practice rifle. Brownells has stripped DSA A3 uppers for $69. |
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