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Posted: 1/18/2011 4:55:48 PM EDT
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I plan to shoot the Appleseed this summer. I have several bolt actions but I think this calls for a simiauto. I am looking looking for the most bang for the buck. An AR upper good enough for this shoot will cost big bucks so I am looking for something else. Savage has a simi for an MSRP of $300 that looks like it will do the job. What do you all think is the most bang for the buck?
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AR22 uppers will be fine for an Appleseed shoot. Whichever semi-auto rifle you choose make sure the magazines drop free. The Marlin 795 is a good rifle for Appleseed but the slow and cumbersome mag changes kill you on the quicker timed strings of fire.
If you do decide on using a 22 upper,a free float forend (sling technique severely degrades accuracy on barrel mounted sling devices) and slimmer front sight post (for carbine length) will be a very benificial upgrade. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I don't know if you'll follow this advice, but after having done an Appleseed last year, I have one recommendation:
Buy a Ruger 10/22. Then get it zero'd in at 25 meters. Get a GI mesh sling for it. Although they say you should just run what you have, the Appleseed stuff is really set up for this rifle. (10 round magazine) Then have fun. LOT'S of FUN. |
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For me personally, the CMMG conversions have not made an impression good or bad. Can't specifically remember one really misbehaving, but don't remember anyone shooting Rifleman with one, either. Semiautos are definitely optimal, but folks have shot Rifleman with tube-fed and bolt guns. The 10/22 is far and away the most common rifle found on our lines. But, one thing we were just discussing last weekend is that in our group of 30 instructors, no one has seen someone shoot Rifleman with the stock 10/22 sights. If you get a 10/22, upgrade to tech sights or get a scope. The Marlin 795 is a nice little rifle for the money. I have one. You can buy the rifle, tech sights and two extra mags for roughly $250. Yes, mag changes are a little slower, but they won't kill you. Make sure you test out your setup and get it zeroed before the shoot. Expect to be cleaning your rifle on Saturday night. We'll do 500-600 rounds over the weekend, and we start seeing many more malfunctions on Sunday. |
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Considering the CMMG Evolution has only been out 6 months are so, I'm not suprised you have not seen one at Appleseed.
Definetly what I would use because of accuracy and reliability. Mine will put my stock 10/22 with Tech sights in the dust on both accuracy and reliability. |
| Did an Appleseed a few years ago with a 10/22 set up for that purpose. I personally wouldn't try a conversion, but will be wanting to try a dedicated CMMG upper (probably with the free-float option)...but it will likely be a while since the funds at the moment are already going toward other training and equipment for the near future :( |
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You might want to consider a Marlin 795. You can find them for $100-150. they had $25 rebates on them at the end of the year, last year. They are becoming real popular at Appleseed shoots.
You can get some Tech Sights for it. Rimfire Technologies has some aftermarket accessories. (They are supposed to be coming out with a new aluminum trigger guard) Supposed to be pretty accurate too. |
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I don't know if you'll follow this advice, but after having done an Appleseed last year, I have one recommendation: Buy a Ruger 10/22. Then get it zero'd in at 25 meters. Get a GI mesh sling for it. Although they say you should just run what you have, the Appleseed stuff is really set up for this rifle. (10 round magazine) Then have fun. LOT'S of FUN. This is what I would do. |
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The 1st half of Sat. I used a CMMG conversion kit, but the accuracy just wasn't there. Shot .223 the rest of the weekend and my scores increased. Did the next 2 AS with my Stag and my daughter used her Marlin 795 which is a real tack driver, with a USGI sling and a fixed 4X scope. The Marlin was $99.99 on sale from Dick's. After the rebate it was $75. Sling, attachments and the scope came in under$130! A buddy used it at a later AS and made rifleman. I really like the AR platform, so I bought a Tactical Solutions upper and coupled it with a Spikes lower.......And now for a range session to determine which ammo she likes best....................Ed
Good luck at your next Appleseed.................Aim Small, Miss Small |
| The CMMG dedictaed .22LR upper on a Milspec lower with a 2-7x35 scope is the only way to go. I have a Marlin 795 as a backup; it is just not comfortable when "slug up". The front of the stock flexes & the mag digs into your hand. 10/22's are most prevalent for sure. I don't think you can change out a mag & get back into position as fast as with the dedicated upper. If I didn't already have 6 - 26 round CMMG mags; I would opt for 10 or 15 rounders. That would make prone easier; as it is now - I have to stay aware of not resting the mag on the ground - a no no! As for Savage; love their bolt 22's - you'll have a heck of a time qualifeing with a bolt. My CMMG shoots 550 packs of Federal 36g HP (Wally World Specials) at 1" @ 50 yards all day long. |
| Just be aware that Appleseed teaches old schoolslung up contortionist position techniques. It's not really compatible with a modern tactical set-up for an AR. I went to one, but left early when they kept trying to convince me to us those techniques, which my gun just wasn't set up to do. |
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Just be aware that Appleseed teaches old schoolslung up contortionist position techniques. It's not really compatible with a modern tactical set-up for an AR. I went to one, but left early when they kept trying to convince me to us those techniques, which my gun just wasn't set up to do. I agree they use old school techniques. I did mine with my TacSol AR, and used a 2pt sling. I didn't like the GI setup (it would cut the circulation off of my arm, and it wasn't consistent). I used the Hasty and it worked well (scored rifleman twice in a row). I appreciate their technique, and i think it's a great base training, but I definitely want additional training. |
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Quoted: Thanks to everyone for the input. It helped me make up my mind on what to do. I got a Rem 597 at Wal-Mart. It will soon have a military sling and a target scope. Now all I need to do is get the right ammo and start shooting. Thanks again! Sparky1 Great! Now get your scope zeroed at 25 yars, and shoot the heck out of it. Make sure you find some good, reliable ammo. And when you come out to the Appleseed, bring two friends! |
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A large batch of Marlin 795's have a canted dovetail on top of the receiver. I had one with this issue. Go to Rimfire Central and search for it. There are several threads on it. The 795's Irons are good enough. When i tried to mount Tech Sights on my receiver they leaned badly. It was difficult to zero. I am not sure what serial numbers are affected, but it can be seen by visual inspection. The 795 is a good deal if you can find one with a spec receiver. I sent mine back to Marlin. Marlin replaced the rifle. The new one was fine.
I am thinking of getting a Sig 522 or S&W M&P15-22. If i do, i would shoot an applseed with it. I can't imagine why it wouldnt work. |
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Thought you would like to know, as we think about shooting the Appleseed with our 22lr guns, that a friend told me there was a guy at the Appleseed shooting with a 300 Win Mag. Now there is a guy I will look up to. Not only must he be tough as nails and also have deep pockets. I bet he spent a thousand in ammo alone. That is not even considering the shoulder work he surely needed after the match. You know, I could have put together two really fine guns for the money he spent on ammo. Well to each his own I always say! I will stick with the 22lr!
Sparky1 |
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For me personally, the CMMG conversions have not made an impression good or bad. Can't specifically remember one really misbehaving, but don't remember anyone shooting Rifleman with one, either. Semiautos are definitely optimal, but folks have shot Rifleman with tube-fed and bolt guns. The 10/22 is far and away the most common rifle found on our lines. But, one thing we were just discussing last weekend is that in our group of 30 instructors, no one has seen someone shoot Rifleman with the stock 10/22 sights. If you get a 10/22, upgrade to tech sights or get a scope. The Marlin 795 is a nice little rifle for the money. I have one. You can buy the rifle, tech sights and two extra mags for roughly $250. Yes, mag changes are a little slower, but they won't kill you. Make sure you test out your setup and get it zeroed before the shoot. Expect to be cleaning your rifle on Saturday night. We'll do 500-600 rounds over the weekend, and we start seeing many more malfunctions on Sunday. Here is the low down on setting your 10/22 up. For me, I can shot my 10/22 everywhere and in 10 years, I cannot recall ever having a misfeed. Can't say that for my ,22lr AR upper http://appleseedproject.blogspot.com/2008/02/liberty-training-rifle.html 
Just ordered the higher profile sights for more adustability and the sling! |
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I also like the hasty sling as my first choice. I'm not a match shooter so the hasty just seems the most likely to use for me if out "in the field".
As far as sling use goes, doesn't the Marines still teach sling use in their basic rifle marksmanship training? Maybe not, I just thought I'd heard they did. I know the Army didn't teach the slng back in the mid to late 70's but then the skinny barrles on the M16's were easily pulled/bent/twisted off by anything that put pressure on the barrel. Any AR I'm serious about shooting has a free float tube on it with the forward sling mount on the front of the tube, not the barrel. Have fun. While most folks don't shoot a riflemand score on their first (or even second) Appleseed most folks can improve their shooting if they bring an open mind and try to use what is being taught. Keep your first redcoat target from Saturday morning. Keep your first 1" squares target. Then, on Sunday compare the groups you shot Saturday with the groups you're shooting on Sunday. |
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One thing to look for is elbow pads. Spending a weekend mainly in the prone position can be hard on the elbows. Don't get the ones with a hard insert but basic foam pads. The ones with hard plastic seem to make the elbow roll around more. A trick I do for loop sling is I have a larger elbow / knee pad that I can slide over bicep. provides some protection to the upper arm from the sling. Now I just plunked down the money for shooting coat.
Shooting with a scope make sure it is zeroed for 25 meters. Try mini mags they seem to also be very consistent. Just make sure you bring same brand and same lot ammo. nothing worse then having your zero shift on you. |
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The 10/22 is far and away the most common rifle found on our lines. But, one thing we were just discussing last weekend is that in our group of 30 instructors, no one has seen someone shoot Rifleman with the stock 10/22 sights. If you get a 10/22, upgrade to tech sights or get a scope. A new hammer/sear wouldn't be a bad idea, either. |
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