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Posted: 10/1/2010 10:22:43 PM EDT
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Hey Guys,
I saw Dr. Dremel's a few weeks ago and mosied over to Lakeside's forum to learn more and see if they are worth buying an/or reliable. Everyone seems pretty happy, and the owner comes off as a stand up guy willing to help-I'm looking for input outside of that forum to see if these really are as good as they sound.. The machining looked REALLY good on the one I saw a few weeks ago but I didn't get to shoot it. I need another "fun gun" and paying $700 for one of these uppers for an unused AR lower I have is preferrable to me buying another plastic foreign made copy of a real gun.... I have a GSG-5 that just up and stopped working, no idea what's wrong yet but I am tired of tinkering with it. Thanks, Dave |
| I have a razorback - Really like it a lot! it is a little more complex than a magazine fed gun - but its a blast to shoot. I've only owned mine a little over a month and have not had that much range time with it. Like any semi .22 they can be ammo sensitive and find out the load they like - I would recommend something a little hotter initially to break everything in - like mini mags. I wouldnt trade mine for anything - (ok maybe one of His belt fed minatures). When you handle it - you can feel that it is a real piece of machined equipment - its not cheaply made. If you visited his forum - you know that he is very responsible to his customers. He's a stand up guy who will help you get through any problems (if you encounter any) that could come across. Make sure your hammer is a rounded type and you shouldnt have any problems. (oh and buy the belt loading tool - I didnt and have to get one) - these things are addicting! I hope someday to get one of his minatures! |
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I saw a Tippman 1919 at a gun show last Sunday, the first I have ever come across. Just from memory, the gun was quite similar to the Razorback and I later found out that it was a really good deal. The guy was asking $2500 for it.... They are $3500 new, and this was a Tippman gun, not a Lakeside so there was some collectibility. Unfortunately, $2500 is a lot more money these days for me than in the past so I passed on it. It was really cool though, ...... little wood crate, miniature .50 ammo cans, miniature tripod with working T&E etc.
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I have a razorback - Really like it a lot! it is a little more complex than a magazine fed gun - but its a blast to shoot. I've only owned mine a little over a month and have not had that much range time with it. Like any semi .22 they can be ammo sensitive and find out the load they like - I would recommend something a little hotter initially to break everything in - like mini mags. I wouldnt trade mine for anything - (ok maybe one of His belt fed minatures). When you handle it - you can feel that it is a real piece of machined equipment - its not cheaply made. If you visited his forum - you know that he is very responsible to his customers. He's a stand up guy who will help you get through any problems (if you encounter any) that could come across. Make sure your hammer is a rounded type and you shouldnt have any problems. (oh and buy the belt loading tool - I didnt and have to get one) - these things are addicting! I hope someday to get one of his minatures! One of the things I saw as being a positive for a belt fed .22 is that while you always have the gun's preference for ammo type, once you get past that it would seem that it's all gravy being that you aren't having to rely on your mags working properly, or that your AR15 conversion likes one mag more than another. I see guys post about their Ceiner type conversions all the time and marvel about the reliability because they only had 6 or 7 jams in 150 rounds. That's not reliable to me. A 10/22 is a reliable gun, and it's what I consider a "good" .22 to behave like. From the sounds of what I heard from Dr. Dremel, he was into many thousands of rounds between himself and his 3 kids with no issues until very recently, and it was a common part that broke. By comparison, I just paid $700 for a .22 conversion for my subgun and It is about to go back for the 3rd barrel replacement because it keeps blowing up and getting stuck in the gun. I just want something that runs well and is a fun way to pass time at the range. Seems like a Razorback would be a fine way to do that. |
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I see guys post about their Ceiner type conversions all the time and marvel about the reliability because they only had 6 or 7 jams in 150 rounds. Yep, 500 hundred round belt, burst fire. ZERO malfunctions!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrj1v4ctsY0 Video is of my LM7. I also bought a Razorback to have as a 'backup' to my LM7 since I like it so much. Friends saw my LM7 run they wanted one and so we did a group buy of 5 Razorbacks. Only one of the guys has had time to try theirs out and it ran FA for them with no tinkering. Main thing about ammo selection is make sure that the round isn't too fat going into the T-Slot of the bolt. Take a live round and slide up/down the bolt face and spin the round at the same time and feel if its rubbing. If it is don't use it. Fortunately, Eric tunes the RB/LM7 bolts to run on the cheapest stuff out, CCI Blazer which is what I was shooting in the above video. The RB is a bargain. I paid like 1750 for my LM7 years ago and now you can get a RB for under $700!! |
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Man, that looked hilarious...
I know that the LM7's were a little trouble to get to run on a Full Auto with the transferrable M16's on the registry... They were made before the introduction of CNC machines in manufacturing and made the disconnector timing inconsistent between guns. I hear they were really easy to tune in, and the razorback is even easier if you want it to run in FA. Semi auto fire is supposed to be a non-issue with the Razorback, how well has your gun run since you got it? Pretty reliable? |
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I hear they were really easy to tune in, and the razorback is even easier if you want it to run in FA. Semi auto fire is supposed to be a non-issue with the Razorback, how well has your gun run since you got it? Pretty reliable? IF you are using the new RB bolt, tuning the LM7 or RB would be the same. Trying to tune an LM7 with the older bolt and extractor is different. Now that the new bolt is out, everyone with an LM7 should go to that. Makes a world of difference. I have not fired my RB, I just bought one since it was so cheap and keep it around in case Eric ever goes away and I need parts I can salvage some off the RB. |
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I see guys post about their Ceiner type conversions all the time and marvel about the reliability because they only had 6 or 7 jams in 150 rounds. Yep, 500 hundred round belt, burst fire. ZERO malfunctions!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrj1v4ctsY0 Video is of my LM7. I also bought a Razorback to have as a 'backup' to my LM7 since I like it so much. Friends saw my LM7 run they wanted one and so we did a group buy of 5 Razorbacks. Only one of the guys has had time to try theirs out and it ran FA for them with no tinkering. Main thing about ammo selection is make sure that the round isn't too fat going into the T-Slot of the bolt. Take a live round and slide up/down the bolt face and spin the round at the same time and feel if its rubbing. If it is don't use it. Fortunately, Eric tunes the RB/LM7 bolts to run on the cheapest stuff out, CCI Blazer which is what I was shooting in the above video. The RB is a bargain. I paid like 1750 for my LM7 years ago and now you can get a RB for under $700!! watching your second video, it doesn't appear to me that you even need any optics or that they do you much good once you start FA. |
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watching your second video, it doesn't appear to me that you even need any optics or that they do you much good once you start FA. In both videos, I'm not the shooter. Note that the latest batch of CCI Blazer have a different lubing process applied to the bullets and causes it to be really smoky. As I've mentioned in other posts, doing a 500 round belt run is just for proof of functioning and to trump a AM180 which used to the be the king of 22LR firepower with a capacity of 275 rounds. 500 rounds is just too unwiedly. Really need to make a custom belt box for it. |
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