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Posted: 6/1/2010 10:07:48 PM EDT
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I was reading on
http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/index.php?main_page=ar15 "There are even AR15 uppers that are dedictated .22 LR rimfire caliber and those rifles can possess all of the "evil features" you want because they are not a "semi-auto matic centerfire" rifle. 2.b. Rimfire rifles are not covered under PC 12276.1 and may have detachable magazines and evil features." So if I am building a dedicated AR with a spikes 22 upper, can I avoid having to do the Caifornia mod for the magazine release? |
| Not sure if the last reply was for me. In Ca you can have evil features on your AR with pistol grip as long as you don't have a button release for the magazine. You have to modify the gun to use a tool to release the mag. With only 10 rd magazines I would think it's a pain as you have to swap them out more frequently compared to larger capacity mags. Being able to keep the button makes it nicer. |
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Does the lower have to be marked for the .22LR caliber? or will a "Multi Cal" marking work? Good Question! Now before any of you tear off my head, I'm only acting like a parrot by telling you what I was told.  I have no actual knowledge of the current laws as they pertain to this issue. For me, I prefer to avoid pissing contests with the law, and that's why I always have my custom built lowers marked for multi cal.
From a conversation I had with a BATFE field agent, the multi cal marked lower is the way to go because it gives you legal protection when you fill out your BATFE Form 1. A multi cal lower allows you to designate on the transfer form that the lower is for multiple calibers. Legally, the Federal transfer document can be used to make your life miserable, but fortunately is rarely made an issue unless you really screw up. In addition, some of the Marxist States have their own separate laws regarding firearm marking, and even if the Feds aren't going to make an issue, your State just may. When law enforcement and the courts wish to build a case they'll use any "brick" available to them. I shoot on my own 300 yard range almost every other day with family, friends and guests, and go to the club range (500 yards) once a month or so. I see lots of guys with lowers marked .223 or 5.56 with all kinds of uppers of various calibers, and no one seems to object including our local and State police. Does this make it O.K.? I'm not sure. Because of all the ambiguity concerning this subject, I always go with multi cal markings. 
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From a conversation I had with a BATFE field agent, the multi cal marked lower is the way to go because it gives you legal protection when you fill out your BATFE Form 1. A multi cal lower allows you to designate on the transfer form that the lower is for multiple calibers. Legally, the Federal transfer document can be used to make your life miserable, but fortunately is rarely made an issue unless you really screw up. 
A Form 1 is an application to make a firearm; if you list every possible caliber you intend to use the lower for, it WILL be rejected. FWIW, the ATF is currently rejecting Form 1's with "multi" listed as the caliber as well (this comes up time to time in Arfcom's class III section). If you permanently change the configuration, you are requested to notify the ATF. |
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Quoted: I wouldn't trust anything about the NFA that was told to me by a field agent. Go straight to the experts, the NFA branch. Like was mentioned already, they're rejecting forms that have multi on them. Specific caliber only. But seeing as that's a Federal law anyway, it has little to nothing to do with CA state law, which is what the OP is asking about. From a conversation I had with a BATFE field agent, ETA: I don't think the caliber listed on the lower is going to make any difference, but then I'm not from CA and know very little about their laws. If you really want to remove any doubt though, Spikes sells a .22LR marked lower. |
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I wouldn't trust anything about the NFA that was told to me by a field agent. Go straight to the experts, the NFA branch. Like was mentioned already, they're rejecting forms that have multi on them. Specific caliber only. But seeing as that's a Federal law anyway, it has little to nothing to do with CA state law, which is what the OP is asking about.From a conversation I had with a BATFE field agent, I'm thinking the laws are written to work in the government's favor, whenever they want. I find it very disappointing that they are rejecting forms with multi on them. It then follows, why do manufacturers and gunsmiths mark the lowers as multi caliber?  Damn, just when I thought I was playing it safe.
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