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1/27/2010 7:36:51 AM EDT
I have the dreaded Notched hammers in all my lowers. CMMG sells the hammer seperately. Does the trigger and hammer have to be replaced as a set or can I just replace the hammer with no fitting? I have RRA single stage LPK's.
Thanks,
1/27/2010 7:41:31 AM EDT
[#1]
No fitting required.
1/27/2010 11:17:38 AM EDT
[#2]
my RRA notched hammer ran just fine. Try it first to see if you need to change it.

Cmmg stainless kit
1/27/2010 2:19:53 PM EDT
[#3]
I did and am still having failure to ejects. Tom tells me it could be the bolt dragging on the hammer. Since I've always had these problems, and I have one of the first, I'm going to break down and get the rounded hammer. Hopefully that takes care of it.
1/28/2010 1:53:51 PM EDT
[#4]
Not finding the rounded hammer on CMMGs web site. Got a link were to buy this hammer? Call them?
1/28/2010 4:41:53 PM EDT
[#5]
I called them. $18 + $10 shipping. Sorry, looks like L.E. pricing.

18 for the hammer and $13.50 for the trigger. That is LE
pricing which is 10% off retail.

Best regards
Lucas

CMMG, Inc
PO Box 369
Fayette, MO 65248
(660)248-2293
(660)248-2290 (FAX)
1/28/2010 4:43:01 PM EDT
[#6]
Nevermind.
1/28/2010 4:52:25 PM EDT
[#7]
Thanks but that's a notched hammer
1/29/2010 3:00:30 AM EDT
[#8]
PK Firearms has a DPMS rounded hammer for  $16.50
1/29/2010 4:55:39 AM EDT
[#9]
I tried my new 22 build with a RRA notched hammer, no go - I couldn't even rack the bolt without it hanging up on the notch.  I dropped in a DPMS rounded hammer and it runs fine now.

Midway has them.
1/29/2010 2:36:52 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
I tried my new 22 build with a RRA notched hammer, no go - I couldn't even rack the bolt without it hanging up on the notch.  I dropped in a DPMS rounded hammer and it runs fine now.
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I got a dumb question. what prevents a person from grinding the notch off the hammer, so the rear profile is smooth? why wouldn't that work?

1/29/2010 4:17:27 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I tried my new 22 build with a RRA notched hammer, no go - I couldn't even rack the bolt without it hanging up on the notch.  I dropped in a DPMS rounded hammer and it runs fine now.
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I got a dumb question. what prevents a person from grinding the notch off the hammer, so the rear profile is smooth? why wouldn't that work?



I've been wondering the same thing? Why not grind the hook offf the back and round the top? Wouldn't that make it a short speed hammer? My notched hammer looks like the top of the face is slightly below center on the firing pin anyway. I haven't taken it to the range for testing because of the notched hammer.
1/29/2010 4:52:22 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I tried my new 22 build with a RRA notched hammer, no go - I couldn't even rack the bolt without it hanging up on the notch.  I dropped in a DPMS rounded hammer and it runs fine now.
.


I got a dumb question. what prevents a person from grinding the notch off the hammer, so the rear profile is smooth? why wouldn't that work?



I've been wondering the same thing? Why not grind the hook offf the back and round the top? Wouldn't that make it a short speed hammer? My notched hammer looks like the top of the face is slightly below center on the firing pin anyway. I haven't taken it to the range for testing because of the notched hammer.


I believe you'd need to add metal (fill in the notch), not round it off with a grinder. My Tac-Sol uppers will not reset a notched hammer. Seems like that means the bolt is not rotating the hammer enough to engage the sear.

My question is: Who makes a nice, crisp trigger that works reliably with the Tac-Sol uppers?
1/29/2010 5:37:05 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I tried my new 22 build with a RRA notched hammer, no go - I couldn't even rack the bolt without it hanging up on the notch.  I dropped in a DPMS rounded hammer and it runs fine now.
.


I got a dumb question. what prevents a person from grinding the notch off the hammer, so the rear profile is smooth? why wouldn't that work?



That was my first thought, too - until someone pointed out that a notched hammer barely contacted the firing pin on a 22 as it is.  It was explained to me that the rounded hammer has two functions - to not snag the underside of the bolt and to provide full firing pin contact.
1/30/2010 2:23:23 PM EDT
[#14]
Got a rounded Stag hammer from the M4store, 12.00 + 5. ship. You have to call. He will also do $2. ship parcel post.
Good guy!
1/30/2010 4:22:11 PM EDT
[#15]

[/quote]

That was my first thought, too - until someone pointed out that a notched hammer barely contacted the firing pin on a 22 as it is.  It was explained to me that the rounded hammer has two functions - to not snag the underside of the bolt and to provide full firing pin contact.[/quote]

ok, the front of the notched hammer (I'm referring to the hook that points toward the hammer face as the "notched" part) is smooth, the firing pin in the 22 is in the same spot (roughly center of the bore) as the .223, if the hook is ground flat, how does that have anything to do with "firing pin contact"? I'm trying to understand the geometry being referred to.
 I'm building a 22lr lower, using a Doublestar lower, and I have a LPK with notched hammer. I've already ground off the hook, I'll try it tomorrow & see what happens. dry-firing it, lower only, manually cocking it and with a leather pad for the hammer to fall against, it works fine.

1/30/2010 4:37:54 PM EDT
[#16]
I read in the Spikes thread where a guy tried it and the hammer would no longer strike the firing pin. For $12 I'll get what has proven to work.
1/31/2010 6:55:29 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
ok, the front of the notched hammer (I'm referring to the hook that points toward the hammer face as the "notched" part) is smooth, the firing pin in the 22 is in the same spot (roughly center of the bore) as the .223, if the hook is ground flat, how does that have anything to do with "firing pin contact"? I'm trying to understand the geometry being referred to.
 I'm building a 22lr lower, using a Doublestar lower, and I have a LPK with notched hammer. I've already ground off the hook, I'll try it tomorrow & see what happens. dry-firing it, lower only, manually cocking it and with a leather pad for the hammer to fall against, it works fine.



One word - rimfire.    The firing pin on a .22LR AR is at the top of the chamber.



I'm not sure what you're describing with the "hook" - the rounded/notched description only refers to the actual face of the hammer.  We may be talking about different things.

This is a notched hammer:


This is a rounded hammer:


1/31/2010 7:55:43 AM EDT
[#18]
The top of my notched hammer just does hit the firing pin on my Spikes conversion. If you round it off, good possibility it won't strike.
1/31/2010 11:52:27 AM EDT
[#19]

I'm not sure what you're describing with the "hook" - the rounded/notched description only refers to the actual face of the hammer.  We may be talking about different things.

This is a notched hammer:
http://media.midwayusa.com/ProductImages/Medium/852181.jpg

This is a rounded hammer:
http://media.midwayusa.com/ProductImages/Medium/485437.jpg

[/quote]

Heavyduty, you are exactly right. I only have rounded-!  the pics show me what I was mistaken about.
raffica45
1/31/2010 12:59:11 PM EDT
[#20]

I'm thinking of getting a .22lr CMMG, Inc. kit.  


All my hammers are notched.  My AR's work great.  I plan on using my Bushmaster lower for the .22lr kit.  If I replace the hammer on my Bushmaster lower for the .22lr carbine, will it still work 100% with 5.56?  

1/31/2010 2:30:11 PM EDT
[#21]
Yes, should be okay.
1/31/2010 3:42:30 PM EDT
[#22]
AR's originally had and were designed with rounded hammers. The notched hammer is another "fix" looking for a problem.
1/31/2010 4:07:15 PM EDT
[#23]
Yes, Colt introduced the notched hammer later on and some other manufacturers followed suit. Barring slight dimensional differences between manuf. it 'should' work fine.
2/1/2010 2:25:04 PM EDT
[#24]
Yep having to replace all of my hammers, damn, I had boobed them all and will have to do it all over again. Will try the Stag hammers.
2/2/2010 2:51:24 AM EDT
[#25]


I'm just gonna replace one.  Thanks for the replies.  

2/2/2010 6:51:59 AM EDT
[#26]
Replacing my hammers with RRA. Rounded RRA hammers are $15.00 + shipping.
2/2/2010 5:30:28 PM EDT
[#27]
The RRA hammer came. Installed it and put a few flawless rounds through it. Maybe this is the cure. I know I'm damn tired of fighting to make it run reliably.
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