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Posted: 12/31/2009 9:40:46 AM EDT
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Hello,
I have a Spike ST-22 upper with the dedicated Spikes 22LR bolt, but I'm having issues running this setup with my buddies RDIAS. I've read numerous posts from various sites and tried most of the suggestions and I'm on the verge of trying a whole new 22LR bolt. SA works fine, I just can't get FA to work. Can anyone suggest an alternative 22LR bolt, CMMG, Ceiner, Colt, other that will require less tuning and hopefully just work out of the box for FA use? Cheers |
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If you have all the parts necessary for FA, I don't see where another bolt assembly will do better.
Spike's incorperates all of the little tricks and mods to make it work. Try talking to Tom at Spike's... I'm sure he could help you figure it out.......... or If you just have to try anothers bolt, CMMG's SST Stainless Steel Conversion is the choice I'd make then. Spec |
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Do you have the anti bounce weight, detent ball and spring ? and are you shooting with or without a can ? Hi Dog, Yes...yes...yes(SWR Spectre). Also, I've tried using Federal Bulk(Walmart, Red Box, 550rds), Winchester Xperts(Walmart, Silver Box, 500rds) and CCI Minimags. I've used the Lakeside recoil spring, JP Springs(Hammer, Trigger, Disconnector). I think I'm gonna have my buddy put a different trigger. I think the trigger that's in his lower is not catching the RDIAS. Quoted:
If you have all the parts necessary for FA, I don't see where another bolt assembly will do better. Spike's incorperates all of the little tricks and mods to make it work. Try talking to Tom at Spike's... I'm sure he could help you figure it out.......... or If you just have to try anothers bolt, CMMG's SST Stainless Steel Conversion is the choice I'd make then. Spec Hi Spec, Does the CMMG SST have the weight and sear trip or do I need to use what I got from Spikes? I have emailed Tom and he made several suggestions that I incoporated. The only suggestions that I have not done are sear timing changes since the RDIAS does not belong to me. |
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Do you have the anti bounce weight, detent ball and spring ? and are you shooting with or without a can ? Hi Dog, Yes...yes...yes(SWR Spectre). Also, I've tried using Federal Bulk(Walmart, Red Box, 550rds), Winchester Xperts(Walmart, Silver Box, 500rds) and CCI Minimags. I've used the Lakeside recoil spring, JP Springs(Hammer, Trigger, Disconnector). I think I'm gonna have my buddy put a different trigger. I think the trigger that's in his lower is not catching the RDIAS. Quoted:
If you have all the parts necessary for FA, I don't see where another bolt assembly will do better. Spike's incorperates all of the little tricks and mods to make it work. Try talking to Tom at Spike's... I'm sure he could help you figure it out.......... or If you just have to try anothers bolt, CMMG's SST Stainless Steel Conversion is the choice I'd make then. Spec Hi Spec, Does the CMMG SST have the weight and sear trip or do I need to use what I got from Spikes? I have emailed Tom and he made several suggestions that I incoporated. The only suggestions that I have not done are sear timing changes since the RDIAS does not belong to me. seattlite, exactly what is it doing wrong? hammer down on a chambered round, failure to eject, failure to feed? empty case in charge handle jamming bolt? are you getting any FA at all, or just semi whether on full-auto or not? you can "adjust" your timing slightly by wrapping a layer or two of tape to the sear trip on the bolt, it won't last long, but would give you indication. works fine in semi, right? if you have some real thin wire, you could "adjust" the sear trip somewhat by substituting that for tape, conversely, you could simulate removal of a slight amount by bending the trip away from the bolt face slightly. either of these "fixes" would simply help determine what needs to be done for permanent fix. Provide more specific info about how it's broke. |
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Do you have the anti bounce weight, detent ball and spring ? and are you shooting with or without a can ? Hi Dog, Yes...yes...yes(SWR Spectre). Also, I've tried using Federal Bulk(Walmart, Red Box, 550rds), Winchester Xperts(Walmart, Silver Box, 500rds) and CCI Minimags. I've used the Lakeside recoil spring, JP Springs(Hammer, Trigger, Disconnector). I think I'm gonna have my buddy put a different trigger. I think the trigger that's in his lower is not catching the RDIAS. seattlite, exactly what is it doing wrong? hammer down on a chambered round, failure to eject, failure to feed? empty case in charge handle jamming bolt? are you getting any FA at all, or just semi whether on full-auto or not? you can "adjust" your timing slightly by wrapping a layer or two of tape to the sear trip on the bolt, it won't last long, but would give you indication. works fine in semi, right? if you have some real thin wire, you could "adjust" the sear trip somewhat by substituting that for tape, conversely, you could simulate removal of a slight amount by bending the trip away from the bolt face slightly. either of these "fixes" would simply help determine what needs to be done for permanent fix. Provide more specific info about how it's broke. This is not a gas gun so timing or mods to the sear is not needed. You can change the timing in a blowback 22 by tuning the springs or mods to the auto trip and have less chances of screwing up a sear. |
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I think the CMMG SST has the right notches for FA? http://mactec-militaryarms.com/cmmg_ar15_kit.html
I don't have a FA Lower so may be I'm all wet. Spec |
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Do you have the anti bounce weight, detent ball and spring ? and are you shooting with or without a can ? Hi Dog, Yes...yes...yes(SWR Spectre). Also, I've tried using Federal Bulk(Walmart, Red Box, 550rds), Winchester Xperts(Walmart, Silver Box, 500rds) and CCI Minimags. I've used the Lakeside recoil spring, JP Springs(Hammer, Trigger, Disconnector). I think I'm gonna have my buddy put a different trigger. I think the trigger that's in his lower is not catching the RDIAS. Strange ! his lower with his trigger and his RDIAS dont work together  something stinks here 
If it was your buds RDIAS he would know what hammer, trigger, disconnector to use. |
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I think the CMMG SST has the right notches for FA? http://mactec-militaryarms.com/cmmg_ar15_kit.html I don't have a FA Lower so may be I'm all wet. Spec I stand corrected. |
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Do you have the anti bounce weight, detent ball and spring ? and are you shooting with or without a can ? Hi Dog, Yes...yes...yes(SWR Spectre). Also, I've tried using Federal Bulk(Walmart, Red Box, 550rds), Winchester Xperts(Walmart, Silver Box, 500rds) and CCI Minimags. I've used the Lakeside recoil spring, JP Springs(Hammer, Trigger, Disconnector). I think I'm gonna have my buddy put a different trigger. I think the trigger that's in his lower is not catching the RDIAS. Strange ! his lower with his trigger and his RDIAS dont work together something stinks here
If it was your buds RDIAS he would know what hammer, trigger, disconnector to use. Hi Dog, His RDIAS/Lower works perfectly with.223/5.56 but not with Spikes 22LR Bolt. We tried most of the suggested spring replacement/cutback tuning tricks on the 22LR Bolt, but we had no success. So, I was going back to the basics and thinking what fundamentally could be happening....first thought was maybe the 22LR Bolt was not going back far enough thus not fully latching the trigger onto the sear. Next thought was maybe the 22LR Bolt's sear trip was tripping the RDIAS a bit to early so maybe we need to file. Anyway, we have a number of things we can try......thank you all ! |
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Do you have the anti bounce weight, detent ball and spring ? and are you shooting with or without a can ? Hi Dog, Yes...yes...yes(SWR Spectre). Also, I've tried using Federal Bulk(Walmart, Red Box, 550rds), Winchester Xperts(Walmart, Silver Box, 500rds) and CCI Minimags. I've used the Lakeside recoil spring, JP Springs(Hammer, Trigger, Disconnector). I think I'm gonna have my buddy put a different trigger. I think the trigger that's in his lower is not catching the RDIAS. seattlite, exactly what is it doing wrong? hammer down on a chambered round, failure to eject, failure to feed? empty case in charge handle jamming bolt? are you getting any FA at all, or just semi whether on full-auto or not? you can "adjust" your timing slightly by wrapping a layer or two of tape to the sear trip on the bolt, it won't last long, but would give you indication. works fine in semi, right? if you have some real thin wire, you could "adjust" the sear trip somewhat by substituting that for tape, conversely, you could simulate removal of a slight amount by bending the trip away from the bolt face slightly. either of these "fixes" would simply help determine what needs to be done for permanent fix. Provide more specific info about how it's broke. This is not a gas gun so timing or mods to the sear is not needed. You can change the timing in a blowback 22 by tuning the springs or mods to the auto trip and have less chances of screwing up a sear. you will notice that I suggested temporary mods to the "sear trip" portion of the conversion assembly/bolt, not changes to the sear in the lower. still needed is more specifics about the exact malfunction that OP is seeing. you are correct about tuning springs/auto trip adjustment on the conversion, and no need to do anything to the auto-sear in the lower, whether it be a factory auto-sear, or RDIAS. |
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Hello, I have a Spike ST-22 upper with the dedicated Spikes 22LR bolt, but I'm having issues running this setup with my buddies RDIAS. I've read numerous posts from various sites and tried most of the suggestions and I'm on the verge of trying a whole new 22LR bolt. SA works fine, I just can't get FA to work. Can anyone suggest an alternative 22LR bolt, CMMG, Ceiner, Colt, other that will require less tuning and hopefully just work out of the box for FA use? Cheers exactly what is it doing wrong? specifics. ? are you using both the anti-bounce weight, and the ball-detent? either? |
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Hello, I have a Spike ST-22 upper with the dedicated Spikes 22LR bolt, but I'm having issues running this setup with my buddies RDIAS. I've read numerous posts from various sites and tried most of the suggestions and I'm on the verge of trying a whole new 22LR bolt. SA works fine, I just can't get FA to work. Can anyone suggest an alternative 22LR bolt, CMMG, Ceiner, Colt, other that will require less tuning and hopefully just work out of the box for FA use? Cheers exactly what is it doing wrong? specifics. ? are you using both the anti-bounce weight, and the ball-detent? either? Semi Auto works perfectly, but, with the selector in FA mode we get the first shot off, but it seems like the hammer does not complete lock back by the sear and it just rides the carrier back as the bolt chambers the next round. We used the Federal Bulk Pack(Walmart, Red Box, 550 rds) and Winchester Xperts(Walmart, Silver Box, 500 rds) and also some CCI Minimags. We also installed the JP Trigger, Hammer and Disconnector springs and tried the Lakeside Spring for the bolt. The anti-bounce weight and ball-detent/spring(heavy) were also used in various combinations. |
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you will notice that I suggested temporary mods to the "sear trip" portion of the conversion assembly/bolt, not changes to the sear in the lower. still needed is more specifics about the exact malfunction that OP is seeing. you are correct about tuning springs/auto trip adjustment on the conversion, and no need to do anything to the auto-sear in the lower, whether it be a factory auto-sear, or RDIAS. Hmm....thanks for the repeat ! I thought you meant changes to the sear. Great advice...we'll try it ! |
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you will notice that I suggested temporary mods to the "sear trip" portion of the conversion assembly/bolt, not changes to the sear in the lower. still needed is more specifics about the exact malfunction that OP is seeing. you are correct about tuning springs/auto trip adjustment on the conversion, and no need to do anything to the auto-sear in the lower, whether it be a factory auto-sear, or RDIAS. Hmm....thanks for the repeat ! I thought you meant changes to the sear. Great advice...we'll try it ! using ball-detent AND antibounce weight together (if you tried that combo) is counter-productive, IMHO. 1st thing I'd try would be several layers of black electrical tape on the sear trip. to test, without a trip to the range. a 5gallon bucket of rubber tire "mulch" or sand makes a bullet trap.here in ohio, lowes sells it, it's not as heavy as sand, and doesn't wear out either. it works with 22lr, and 9mm. put old towel, or cut a circular piece of /4" plywood to cover the sand/mulch, and test fire into it. I put my bucket with a plywood lid on a Black&Decker Workmate, with the jaws about 6" apart to keep the bucket steady, and it allows horizontal firing. gotta be careful to hit the bucket.... LOL! if adding tape (3-5 wraps, start with 2) doesn't get at least a few rounds of FA, after 5 wraps, I'd take it off, and try filing the front edge of the trip. file the center 1/3, where it contacts the sear trip in the lower. hopefully you could try it in someone else's sear-host, before doing the filing. |
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