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Posted: 5/4/2009 1:23:15 PM EDT
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I am having the exact same issue with my ST-22 SD upper (16" barrell) on a Spikes (Multi Cal) Lower with a RRA LPK.
I was at the range yesterday and I was getting TONS of FTE stove pipes exactly like the ones pictured. [About 1 - 2 / 10 rnds] I cleaned and started cutting coils off the spring 3 at a time. Cut off a total of 9 coils with no help. I have two newer style BDM mags and two older; both mags have the same issue. Shooting Fed Bulk 550 packs (red). I noticed you recommended getting this lighter hammer spring from JP Enterprise. I have this on order as of today. Do I need to send this in to you or can I try something? I have put 550 rounds through it so far to consider a break in period. On a side not this thing is accurate! I dialed in my Millet DMS while shooting and can hit quarters at 50 yards. I was very impressed. I love this rifle even with all the FTE's. Problems look just like this members: 
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I am having the exact same issue with my ST-22 SD upper (16" barrell) on a Spikes (Multi Cal) Lower with a RRA LPK. I was at the range yesterday and I was getting TONS of FTE stove pipes exactly like the ones pictured. [About 1 - 2 / 10 rnds] I cleaned and started cutting coils off the spring 3 at a time. Cut off a total of 9 coils with no help. I have two newer style BDM mags and two older; both mags have the same issue. Shooting Fed Bulk 550 packs (red). I noticed you recommended getting this lighter hammer spring from JP Enterprise. I have this on order as of today. Do I need to send this in to you or can I try something? I have put 550 rounds through it so far to consider a break in period. Check how well the extractor holds the empties against the bolt face. If it is too loose, cartridges can have a tendency to slip down and hit the mag lips, resulting in a charging handle stovepipe, or fall off prematurely, resulting in a sideways stovepipe. Ideally the extractor should hold the rim of the case nice and snug, so that the cartridge cannot be shaken off the bolt. |
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Sounds like you may have cut too much of your spring off. Did you try a different ammo combination? I know they recommend Fed Bulk Pak, but I found mine runs best with Winchester XPert HV. I should have made myself more clear. The problem was happening before cutting the the spring. Cut the spring a few coils down and problem persists. I believe my spring is still above the maximum cutting length even with 9 coils gone. I am only shooting Fed bulk. Even if it does work with another ammo I will not be satisfied. I have thousands of rounds of federal for this baby and I am going to make sure it runs using them. |
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When you insert the mag pull down on it after it snaps in place. If there is any vertical play and you are pushing the mag up, the mag lips may be causing the round to eject upwards before the round hits the ejector. I use both types of mags. The new BDM ones with higher followers and regular ones. Both mags will create the same issue. I am not pushing the mag up. |
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What is the OAL of your spring right now? The spring looks to be 8" maybe a hair under. Do I need to trim it more? Trim 4 more coils and let me know how it works. I will trim four more coils and give it a go. Thanks for the replies. I would really like to avoid sending it in. Ill post with an updated range report on Saturday. |
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Trimmed four coils. No luck. Made the FTE's a little better but still about 1 out of 10 were FTE/Stovepipe.
Trimmed off a few more and that just took it too far. FTF/FTE Failure to Extract. Empty casings stuck in the chamber. All sorts of drama now. Tom, please PM or Email me with your shipping info. I need you guys to tune this thing for me because it is a paper weight now. |
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Trimmed four coils. No luck. Made the FTE's a little better but still about 1 out of 10 were FTE/Stovepipe. Trimmed off a few more and that just took it too far. FTF/FTE Failure to Extract. Empty casings stuck in the chamber. All sorts of drama now. Tom, please PM or Email me with your shipping info. I need you guys to tune this thing for me because it is a paper weight now. Did you check the fit of extractor like I suggested in my previous post? If the cases aren't held snug against the bolt face, they can slip down (or off) and cause FTE/stovepipes all over the place. |
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I was having the exact same issues. About every 8-9 rounds (Fed bulk pack) I would get a backwards stovepipe. I cut a few coils and that helped but not much. My ST22 upper sits on a Spike’s lower with Springfield trigger and lightened trigger springs. After 200+ rounds I put it back into its case and called it a day.
Fast forward 2 months and I went back to the range today and used a brand new BDM 26 Round mag I just got from PK. Not a single FTE in 200+ rounds. I did not clean the rifle or do anything different from the last time I fired it. I even used the same box of Fed bulk pack. I did not even try the other mag that I might have had issues with. I am not saying it was my first BDM mag but I had zero hiccups today. |
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Sounds like you need to take this up with Spikes privatly instead of on an open forum.
Mine works 100% after trimming only 3 coils and switching to American Eagle ammo. Just ran 300 flawless rounds this morning. Mine willl not work under any circumstance with a Rock River lpk. The notched hammer causes all kinds of trouble. The Dpms lpk kits works great. Something about the notched hammer screws mine up. Do you have a different lower you can try? |
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Sounds like you need to take this up with Spikes privatly instead of on an open forum. Mine works 100% after trimming only 3 coils and switching to American Eagle ammo. Just ran 300 flawless rounds this morning. Mine willl not work under any circumstance with a Rock River lpk. The notched hammer causes all kinds of trouble. The Dpms lpk kits works great. Something about the notched hammer screws mine up. Do you have a different lower you can try? My RRA lpk is not a notched hammer. It is completely flat. Advice taken. Removed post and sent in an email. |
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I had those problems until I trimmed the feed lips on the Black Dog mags. +1 - never had as many jams as described by OP but some mags (both Ciener and BDM) did need to have the left feed lip taken down just a sukosh - a few passes with a fine file and try till it works. Sometimes the tolerances of the lowers, mag catch and uppers all kind of gang up on you. The feed lip adjustment is the first thing I do when I have problems with a Ciener/Spike's type set up. I keep my recoil springs as long as possible and find better function with full power hammer springs. Good, consistent ammo is a plus - I always have problems with bulk packs although others find BPs run well. YMMV |
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The problem here is that I sent my rifle into Spikes to get repaired or "tuned" and it came back exactly the same. As far as I can tell nothing was done to it and all the problems of FTE/FTF occurred. I literally couldn't shoot more than one round at a time every 5 rounds.
My hope is that they were very busy and made a mistake by sending it back to me after holding it for almost three weeks. I had the complete story on here in a post, but decided that for the reputation of the company I will remove it and send it in a private email instead. I sent it in with the recommended JP trigger, it was never installed. The spring was the same spring that I sent it out with. They said they replaced the hammer and it shot great, but it is the same hammer I had sent in. My problem currently is that I sent a rifle (at my expense) to the company for tuning. It was sent back to me after 2-3 weeks. Of course I was excited to get it back and try it out. Take it to the range and realize (from what I can tell and gather) nothing has been done to it. 
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I did get a look at your original post... and I personally did not see anything wrong with it.
I have been looking at a .22 upper from Spikes. Really, I might have purchased it tonight if I did not see that. I am definitely holding off on it until I see what happens from here (I do understand that s*** does happen, and if it is an accident, then I wouldn't hold that to them; I doubt that uppers are numbered, so it could have been easy to confuse a good one with yours being they are human just like any of us). If people are going to say that it is bad mouthing a company, I'm kind of disappointed. If I'm going to order over $900 worth of stuff from them, which will be a part of a $1,100 project (add sights and other odds/ends), I want to see how this is handled. From all the talk I've heard from plenty of people that I trust, I can't see them not making it right... |
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I did get a look at your original post... and I personally did not see anything wrong with it. I have been looking at a .22 upper from Spikes. Really, I might have purchased it tonight if I did not see that. I am definitely holding off on it until I see what happens from here (I do understand that s*** does happen, and if it is an accident, then I wouldn't hold that to them; I doubt that uppers are numbered, so it could have been easy to confuse a good one with yours being they are human just like any of us). If people are going to say that it is bad mouthing a company, I'm kind of disappointed. If I'm going to order over $900 worth of stuff from them, which will be a part of a $1,100 project (add sights and other odds/ends), I want to see how this is handled. From all the talk I've heard from plenty of people that I trust, I can't see them not making it right... Well I'm glad to read your post. I didnt really see anything wrong with it as well because I too was once in the same boat as you. I actually ended up spending $1700 on mine after all accessories were added in. It is a really big investment, especially for a .22lr. I am sure they will make it right; I am just frustrated I had to go through this ordeal. The reason I purchased this rifle over a GSG5 or CMMG is because of the good things I heard about their customer service. I will be keeping everyone updated with my experience. |
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The problem here is that I sent my rifle into Spikes to get repaired or "tuned" and it came back exactly the same. As far as I can tell nothing was done to it and all the problems of FTE/FTF occurred. I literally couldn't shoot more than one round at a time every 5 rounds. My hope is that they were very busy and made a mistake by sending it back to me after holding it for almost three weeks. I had the complete story on here in a post, but decided that for the reputation of the company I will remove it and send it in a private email instead. I sent it in with the recommended JP trigger, it was never installed. The spring was the same spring that I sent it out with. They said they replaced the hammer and it shot great, but it is the same hammer I had sent in. My problem currently is that I sent a rifle (at my expense) to the company for tuning. It was sent back to me after 2-3 weeks. Of course I was excited to get it back and try it out. Take it to the range and realize (from what I can tell and gather) nothing has been done to it. I personally shot and tuned your rifle. I didn't change the Hammer spring b/c it didn't need it and there was nothing in the box stating to do so. Change ammo or magazine before you pass any judgement. It ran 100% for me. Trust me if something comes back for tuning, it leaves 100% functional. -Tom |
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The problem here is that I sent my rifle into Spikes to get repaired or "tuned" and it came back exactly the same. As far as I can tell nothing was done to it and all the problems of FTE/FTF occurred. I literally couldn't shoot more than one round at a time every 5 rounds. My hope is that they were very busy and made a mistake by sending it back to me after holding it for almost three weeks. I had the complete story on here in a post, but decided that for the reputation of the company I will remove it and send it in a private email instead. I sent it in with the recommended JP trigger, it was never installed. The spring was the same spring that I sent it out with. They said they replaced the hammer and it shot great, but it is the same hammer I had sent in. My problem currently is that I sent a rifle (at my expense) to the company for tuning. It was sent back to me after 2-3 weeks. Of course I was excited to get it back and try it out. Take it to the range and realize (from what I can tell and gather) nothing has been done to it. I personally shot and tuned your rifle. I didn't change the Hammer spring b/c it didn't need it and there was nothing in the box stating to do so. Change ammo or magazine before you pass any judgement. It ran 100% for me. Trust me if something comes back for tuning, it leaves 100% functional. -Tom Tom, Please check your email and review over it carefully. The email explains everything. I am not passing judgement. I was using Federal Bulk packs (as recommended for your product) and also tried Winchester Super X and CCI Minimags. Neither of these ammo's worked. I also have 4 BDM magazines. Two of these magazines are 30 rounds bodies with the original feed lips. The other two are the 20 round bodies with the extended feed lips. What ammo and magazines are you using? Again please check and respond to my email. Thank you |
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Not to hijack, but I do have a question regarding the dedicated .22LR uppers.
Do the Spikes and M1S dedicated .22LR uppers still require the use of the gas block and tube? Also, what's the ID of the Spikes CAR1 fake can? Wondering if it will go over a .920 barrel. |
Nope don;t need the gasblock,tube and for that matter you don;t need a buffer or buffer spring Recoil spring is all housed in the carrier! Now I bought a Spikes tactical dedicated upper recently along with two full length BDM 10 rnd mags. Using the upper how it came out of the box, no additional lube or anything. I put ,I should say my daughter , put just about a full WAlly World Fed bulk 550 pk with a hiccup The rifle ran great. Now I did have a problem with one mag it would not feed at all. I compared the two and iI could plainly see that the feed lips were malformed on the one. I contacted Spikes who told me to contact BDM which I did. They said they would ship out a new mag last tuesday which I have not recieved yet They were going to try to hunt up a full length mag as the new ones are the shorties. The Spikes upper is a accurate ,fun and well built product. Hope your problem gets ironed out Oh I just ordered 4 10rnders from PK firearms. NY sucks!!!!!
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Not to hijack, but I do have a question regarding the dedicated .22LR uppers. Do the Spikes and M1S dedicated .22LR uppers still require the use of the gas block and tube? Also, what's the ID of the Spikes CAR1 fake can? Wondering if it will go over a .920 barrel. That is a dirty hijack |
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We used BDM magazines and Agulia ammo to test it. K... please check my email and respond. We can move forward from there. Thanks I didnt receive any emails, Please send them directly to me at [email protected] -Tom |
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We used BDM magazines and Agulia ammo to test it. K... please check my email and respond. We can move forward from there. Thanks I didnt receive any emails, Please send them directly to me at [email protected] -Tom I sent the email to the email address in your Signature: [email protected] Just incase you dont check that email I have now sent you one to the address you requested. |
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