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Posted: 2/11/2009 8:27:33 PM EDT
| Do any uppers exist in this caliber? Have any of the 7.62x25 tinkerers looked at this cartridge? |
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Do any uppers exist in this caliber? Have any of the 7.62x25 tinkerers looked at this cartridge? This is my 22 Reed Express Rifle. 
I use a shortened CZ-24 magazine since this rifle is for varmint and target use. The barrel is a PacNor 1:9 twist and with 40 grain V-max bullets is really accurate. I've loaded up some 30 grain Berger varmint bullets but have not had time to see if they are as accurate as the 40's. Without overdoing the powder charge the brass should last a long time and the round is very economical to load. velocity for the 40's is in the 2800 to 2900 fps and the 30's should be over 3000 fps. |
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Does anyone have a graphic of this cartridge? I'm not familiar with it, is ist wildcatted off the 7.62 x 25? 7.62x25, necked down to take a .223 projectile. AR-fan, I've tried reforming the cut down Winchester brass, but I haven't been having any luck. Did you anneal yours before running it through the sizing die? |
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Does anyone have a graphic of this cartridge? I'm not familiar with it, is ist wildcatted off the 7.62 x 25? 7.62x25, necked down to take a .223 projectile. AR-fan, I've tried reforming the cut down Winchester brass, but I haven't been having any luck. Did you anneal yours before running it through the sizing die? JPN, I ran the Winchester brass (full length .223 brass –– uncut) through the 7.62 Tok fl sizing die first. I went to the 22 Reed fl sizing die next with the reformed brass still uncut. I didn't anneal the brass. I didn't seem to have any problems that way with Winchester, Remington or CL brass. I did lube the brass for each step. I hope this helps. If I get a chance today I'll try to get some pictures of the brass first formed to 7.62 Tok and a scond one formed all the way to 22RE. |
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JPN, I ran the Winchester brass (full length .223 brass –– uncut) through the 7.62 Tok fl sizing die first. I went to the 22 Reed fl sizing die next with the reformed brass still uncut. I didn't anneal the brass. I didn't seem to have any problems that way with Winchester, Remington or CL brass. I did lube the brass for each step. I hope this helps. If I get a chance today I'll try to get some pictures of the brass first formed to 7.62 Tok and a scond one formed all the way to 22RE. Thanks. I was going straight to the .22 Reed Express die, and it kept crumpling the brass just below the neck. I'll try again, using the Tok die, then going to the Reed die. What is your final trim length? |
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JPN, I ran the Winchester brass (full length .223 brass –– uncut) through the 7.62 Tok fl sizing die first. I went to the 22 Reed fl sizing die next with the reformed brass still uncut. I didn't anneal the brass. I didn't seem to have any problems that way with Winchester, Remington or CL brass. I did lube the brass for each step. I hope this helps. If I get a chance today I'll try to get some pictures of the brass first formed to 7.62 Tok and a scond one formed all the way to 22RE. Thanks. I was going straight to the .22 Reed Express die, and it kept crumpling the brass just below the neck. I'll try again, using the Tok die, then going to the Reed die. What is your final trim length? I went out and did some brass and remembered that when I did the final forming in the 22RE FL die I would for the neck down to the primary shoulder and stop, back up half the length of the neck and then run the brass into the fl die in a nice smooth motion. On my press if I try to do it all at once the die will hit that shoulder and and stop then kinda crush it! Picture of formed brass. 
first on left is 223 win. brass then after going through Tok die, than 4 cases (old win, new win, rem, then lake city) after running through 22RE die. At the far right is the final formed and cut case (winchester). I've been cutting the reformed 223 brass to 0.969" which is what my S&B brass comes to when formed to 22RE. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: JPN, I ran the Winchester brass (full length .223 brass –– uncut) through the 7.62 Tok fl sizing die first. I went to the 22 Reed fl sizing die next with the reformed brass still uncut. I didn't anneal the brass. I didn't seem to have any problems that way with Winchester, Remington or CL brass. I did lube the brass for each step. I hope this helps. If I get a chance today I'll try to get some pictures of the brass first formed to 7.62 Tok and a scond one formed all the way to 22RE. Thanks. I was going straight to the .22 Reed Express die, and it kept crumpling the brass just below the neck. I'll try again, using the Tok die, then going to the Reed die. What is your final trim length? I went out and did some brass and remembered that when I did the final forming in the 22RE FL die I would for the neck down to the primary shoulder and stop, back up half the length of the neck and then run the brass into the fl die in a nice smooth motion. On my press if I try to do it all at once the die will hit that shoulder and and stop then kinda crush it! Picture of formed brass. http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877429/Winchesterbrass.finalpicture.jpg first on left is 223 win. brass then after going through Tok die, than 4 cases (old win, new win, rem, then lake city) after running through 22RE die. At the far right is the final formed and cut case (winchester). I've been cutting the reformed 223 brass to 0.969" which is what my S&B brass comes to when formed to 22RE. Wow, that's cool! Where did you get the .223 to 7.62 Tok die? |
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That is a very cool looking little cartridge and relatively inexpensive to handload too. If you've got a TOK upper you can get double use out of the same mags. That is exactly why I did the upper. There is a problem with mags –– the 22RE does not like the PPS-43 mags that I use for the 7.62 tok round. JPN happened to come up with the idea of using the CZ-24 mags and that is what works with the 22RE and the 7.62 tok. By the way, for real cheap shooting but with some power the picture below is of the winchester 223 brass loaded with a 30gr bullet put out by Hornady for the 22 magnum. Normally you can't buy them but these are blems being sold by MidwayUSA for $10/100. Update 2/20/09: I think all the bullets are sold out! 
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That is exactly why I did the upper. There is a problem with mags –– the 22RE does not like the PPS-43 mags that I use for the 7.62 tok round. JPN happened to come up with the idea of using the CZ-24 mags and that is what works with the 22RE and the 7.62 tok. Hmmm, I wonder if they would run through Grease gun mags? |
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That is a very cool looking little cartridge and relatively inexpensive to handload too. If you've got a TOK upper you can get double use out of the same mags. That is exactly why I did the upper. There is a problem with mags –– the 22RE does not like the PPS-43 mags that I use for the 7.62 tok round. JPN happened to come up with the idea of using the CZ-24 mags and that is what works with the 22RE and the 7.62 tok. By the way, for real cheap shooting but with some power the picture below is of the winchester 223 brass loaded with a 30gr bullet put out by Hornady for the 22 magnum. Normally you can't buy them but these are blems being sold by MidwayUSA for $10/100. Midway 30gr hornady blems http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877429/Winchesterbrass.22magbullet.jpg Who has the best deal on the PPSh and CZ24? Has anyone tried pinching in the feed lips on a GG for either TOK or 22RE? They are amazingly versitile mags and I'm sitting on 150 of the new ones (for ACP/SUPER & 10MM/9X25 and 48 of the POST WWII cosmoline and wax paper GIs. |
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Hmmm, I wonder if they would run through Grease gun mags? Doubtful. 7.62x25Tok casehead dimension is almost identical to 9mm. The grease gun mag would need a lot of work on the feedlips. ETA: The .45acp round is also shorter than the Tok round. I picked up a .38Super mag for my 1911, just to see if it would be possible to use that mag and order a custom barrel in 7.62Tok, but the .38Super mag was too short for the standard Tok rounds. |
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Who has the best deal on the PPSh and CZ24? The last CZ24 mags I got, were from WorldWarSurplus.com. They had two grades of mags, but it looks like they now only have the more expensive (excellent/new condition) mags. I think I've just about got the bugs worked out of forming the brass. I tried the untrimmed Winchester .223Rem brass in my Lee 7.62Tok full length sizing die (with the decapping pin holder removed), and the brass came out looking good (no crushing or odd ripples). Then I tried running it through my .22 Reed Express die (with the decapping pin holder removed), and the brass crushed horribly before the die even got to the shoulder that the 7.62Tok die had made. I then tried again with my rough trimmed brass (a little over an inch long), and the end result was almost perfect, just a slight ripple below the shoulder. Next, I'll try running the Winchester brass through the 7.62Tok die, trimming it to Tok length, then running it through the Reed die. If that works, maybe I'll finally figure out how to use that neck turning tool that's still sealed in it's box. |
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That is a GREAT deal at Midway, I've got to get over there and by 2 or 3k for my stash. They look like they'd make a really good coyote pill.
Jas anyone tried the HORNADY .100 gr .308 Half Jacket in TOK? That's my favorite bullet to loa in .30 Carbine both for handguns and lomg guns, its a great little bullet. Years ago when I was a small child they used to make a 300 gr. .458 just like it for loading the .45-70 before its resurrection as a mainstream cartridge, I bet it would be a great humper for whitetail in the .45-70, and probably great for the .458 SOCOM as well. |
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Still have a 10.5" barrel here in this caliber and no place to put it http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/martytw/IMG_0695.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/martytw/IMG_0696.jpg So it seems you got it working with PPS-43 mags? How much for the barrel? 
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Who has the best deal on the PPSh and CZ24? The last CZ24 mags I got, were from WorldWarSurplus.com. They had two grades of mags, but it looks like they now only have the more expensive (excellent/new condition) mags. I think I've just about got the bugs worked out of forming the brass. I tried the untrimmed Winchester .223Rem brass in my Lee 7.62Tok full length sizing die (with the decapping pin holder removed), and the brass came out looking good (no crushing or odd ripples). Then I tried running it through my .22 Reed Express die (with the decapping pin holder removed), and the brass crushed horribly before the die even got to the shoulder that the 7.62Tok die had made. I then tried again with my rough trimmed brass (a little over an inch long), and the end result was almost perfect, just a slight ripple below the shoulder. Next, I'll try running the Winchester brass through the 7.62Tok die, trimming it to Tok length, then running it through the Reed die. If that works, maybe I'll finally figure out how to use that neck turning tool that's still sealed in it's box. JPN, I was reading your post and I realized that I originally had a problem with the 22RE fl die and I modified it a hair –– this may be another reason that I can run the uncut Tok formed winchester brass through the die. Your idea of forming the winchester in the Tok die and then trimming to Tok length, then running through the 22RE die may be just the ticket for you! Another thought, since the 223 brass is a hair smaller in diameter, loading a bunch in a CZ-24 mag may be a problem since the brass can move around a bit more. I never tried the PPSH-41 mag for the 22RE but since it's a double stack/single feed it may work better with the reformed winchester 223 brass. The 22RE made from Tok brass and loaded with something like 40gr V-max 22 bullets just never seemed to work well in the PPS-43 mag –– the CZ-24 mag was the answer. Maybe I should get some PPSH-41 mags and see if they will work! |
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Still have a 10.5" barrel here in this caliber and no place to put it http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/martytw/IMG_0695.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/martytw/IMG_0696.jpg So it seems you got it working with PPS-43 mags? How much for the barrel?
Seemed like it worked, but I had issues with some of my brass (sizing). Send me an EMail re the barrel, we can talk |
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