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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - CProducts Mag Block Pics (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/27/2008 1:54:13 PM EDT
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The CP Block has arrived. First impressions; It's hard to really tell for sure, but the block almost looks synthetic... as in plastic. This was my first surprise. The ramp, ejector, and any other parts that need to be metal are made of metal and look parkerized.
I was a little disappointed when I first saw the spring ball on the front of the block. I was expecting some sort of tension system like my RRA. That was until I realized the block is a top loading dedicated setup like the Hahn. I can see no way of putting the block in from the bottom. Or, putting it in from the top without removing the bolt catch first. If there is a way... I'm not seeing it. This was my second surprise. Although I was hoping it would be a quick drop in like my RRA, I guess I can see how it will be very secure once installed. The bottom mag entry area of the block is rounded which I do like. My CP mags all seem to fit well in the block. Although the block was not exactly what I was expecting. If it works as reliably as my RRA block and CP mags, I don't see how you can go wrong. Especially in light of the price for the block and mags. Block - $89 Mags - $16.99 As for the new Teflon mags I got with the block. They are nothing short of beautiful. Get some... ETA: Ok... now that I've played with it a while. I can tell the block is definitely made of plastic. The side walls are much more flexible that a metal block. But, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Since it fits inside the mag well, the strength of it's side walls in really not an issue. It's strong at the points where it needs to be. One positive aspect of it being synthetic is that it won't mar and scratch the mag finish. The overall feel of the block reminds me of the material used in P-mags. I guess the only thing that leaves me with some disappointment is it's dedicated fitment. That might be a positive for some, but I was looking for quick change set up. 
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Interesting... they're still X-marking new mags? I thought the Xs were just to tell one style 9mm mag from the other (with two different followers), and they finally went with a follower that handled both instead. Why would Teflon mags that are only available for less than a month have X marks? Are they Teflon-coating old mag bodies?
My block and 8 mags should be here Thursday. I stupidly chose UPS, because I thought "surely that's a typo - no way would it take 7 days for UPS versus USPS' 3 days." Duh! They're delivering one week after it shipped. UPS is teh suck. The block does look like plastic from your pictures - that seam down the front looks plasticky. You can see a little piece of plastic fiber/shaving poking off the back, I think. 
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I ordered from 44mag. They shipped USPS on Friday and I received them today, Monday. That's fast for OR to TN. Yeah, I now wish I had picked USPS when I ordered from 44mag w/my free shipping. I thought surely that was a typo. How can the .gov be more efficient than a commercial shipper? Mind boggling. |
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I ordered from 44mag. They shipped USPS on Friday and I received them today, Monday. That's fast for OR to TN. Yeah, I now wish I had picked USPS when I ordered from 44mag w/my free shipping. I thought surely that was a typo. How can the .gov be more efficient than a commercial shipper? Mind boggling. Both times I've received mags from them USPS, I wasn't crazy about them being shipped in those Priority envelopes. It seems like a much greater chance of possible damage. At least with UPS, I'm sure they will be boxed. |
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Are you serious? Plastic? And only $89. Not even a bargain at half the price... 
This is just sad. I would have expected something like this from ProMag. My P-mags are plastic. I guess you think they're sh!t too?? The only thing I don't like about it is it's dedicated attachment. Other than that, I'm happy with it. |
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Cant wait to get a range report. Do you have an Non-Cproducts mags to test in it? I only have CP and modified uzi mags. I haven't decided if I'm even going to use it yet. I was not looking for a dedicated block. If the CP website had stated that you had to remove the bolt catch to install it, I probably would have passed. They only mentioned it was top loading. I've been very satisfied with my RRA block and may stick with that config. I prefer an easy caliber conversion setup. You would think CP would send you guys one for testing given your involvement in 9mm. |
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You would think CP would send you guys one for testing given your involvement in 9mm. On the 3rd of this month, Larry said he'd send Tom@Spike's "one next week." Sounds like he may have forgotten, or something? Even when mine shows up, I can't test it because my RRA upper is still backordered.  I knew that going in, though, so no biggie.
I have lots of 5.56 ARs - this one is going to be dedicated 9mm, so I actually prefer the semi-permanent installation. It won't move or fall out that way. I'm just worried that plastic = breakable, especially with how thin those sides look and how much I plan to shoot this build. This is going to be my "I can finally afford the ammo" build, so I'm going to wear it out. |
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Cant wait to get a range report. Do you have an Non-Cproducts mags to test in it? I only have CP and modified uzi mags. I haven't decided if I'm even going to use it yet. I was not looking for a dedicated block. If the CP website had stated that you had to remove the bolt catch to install it, I probably would have passed. They only mentioned it was top loading. I've been very satisfied with my RRA block and may stick with that config. I prefer an easy caliber conversion setup. You would think CP would send you guys one for testing given your involvement in 9mm. Larry said he had one on the way! |
| I would like to hear a range report also. If it works, it works. I won't complain. I'm just wondering about how rigid it is. The sides do look very thin, although they will be sandwiched between the magwell. Also, how rigid is the ejector part of it, if it has to be tweaked? |
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I think we know now why CProducts was so secretive about this block.
I also received mine yesterday and I can tell you that if I had known it was a cheap plastic POS I would have never purchased it. These are my own personal observations and are not based on actual usage: 1. It is cheap plastic, it doesn't appear to me to be nearly as strong as Pmag material. 2. It appears to be glued together and on first examination there is no provision to change out the ejector or any other parts if need be. 3. The ejector is very loose and floppy, it has been my experience that you need to adjust the ejector to ride very closely to the bolt for reliable ejection. I don't see how you could shim this one to do that. (This may or may not be a big issue) 4. I'm not crazy about removing the bolt catch for install, I was looking for a true drop in for easy swap in and out for my M-16. I have a Hahn drop in in my dedicated 9mm carbine and I was looking for something similar. ( I guess I should have bought another Hahn. ) 5. In my opinion it is grossly over priced for what you are getting, half this price would have been much more fair. 6. If you really use your rifle, I question the longevity of this block. I just don't think it will hold up to hard use. I would like to end this with the statement that I have absolutely nothing against CProducts, on the contrary, I have around 50 CProducts magazines in various calibers and I'm more than satisfied with all of them. I just believe that they screwed the pooch with this product and I feel that all of us where mislead about this block. I will not be installing this in any of my rifles and will be purchasing another Hahn drop in or a VM-Hytec block for my M-16 lower. If anyone wants to trade I would entertain offers. |
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I would like to hear a range report also. If it works, it works. I won't complain. I'm just wondering about how rigid it is. The sides do look very thin, although they will be sandwiched between the magwell. Also, how rigid is the ejector part of it, if it has to be tweaked? The ejector arm has play in it just like my Hy-Tech uzi mag block did. But, when you insert the mag into the correct position by lining up the mag catch holes, the arm is rigid and in the proper position. Aligning with and almost touching the edge of the mag feed lip. I don't have any doubts this block will be solid and work as intended once it's installed. I'm not even that concerned about about it being synthetic in construction. I have too many other things made of the material that work great and are durable. As I've mention several times in this thread. My only complaint is that there was no indication that is was a dedicated type of installation. Something that CP has to know is important to those who order them. I guess I can see why they chose the config. since the Hahn dedicated seems to be a very popular config. However, they should have stated that info on their web site. I guess I just made an assumption that turned out to be wrong. I like the block, I just wanted a quick switch type. Still, a good deal for the money. |
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Quoted:I'm just worried that plastic = breakable, especially with how thin those sides look and how much I plan to shoot this build.
I suspect that once these blocks are mounted inside an aluminum lower, they'll look and be a lot stronger. Different story with a Cavarms Mark II - with it's wider mag well, that would leave the thin plastic sidewall unsupported. My attitude about plastic was altered when I saw my first plastic tent pegs a few centuries back. |
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Quoted:I'm just worried that plastic = breakable, especially with how thin those sides look and how much I plan to shoot this build.
I suspect that once these blocks are mounted inside an aluminum lower, they'll look and be a lot stronger. Different story with a Cavarms Mark II - with it's wider mag well, that would leave the thin plastic sidewall unsupported. My attitude about plastic was altered when I saw my first plastic tent pegs a few centuries back. I feel the same way, and have very little concern about it's durability given the way it works. I guess I was surprised that it was synthetic since I had never seen a mag block that was. But then again, I had never seen a plastic gun until my Glock either. 
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Are you serious? Plastic? And only $89. Not even a bargain at half the price...
This is just sad. I would have expected something like this from ProMag. My P-mags are plastic. I guess you think they're sh!t too?? The only thing I don't like about it is it's dedicated attachment. Other than that, I'm happy with it. A lot of people that say they are happy with UTG rails, airsoft knockoffs, and other similar products also like to compare them to the real thing. As long as you're happy though, I guess that's all that matters. 
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I suspect that once these blocks are mounted inside an aluminum lower, they'll look and be a lot stronger. I like that logic. So, I suspect that if a skinny dork like me stands next to a body builder, I might look and be stronger. 
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My attitude about plastic was altered when I saw my first plastic tent pegs a few centuries back. Tent pegs? Really? That's what changed your attitude about plastics? That is absolutely hilarious! |
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Are you serious? Plastic? And only $89. Not even a bargain at half the price...
This is just sad. I would have expected something like this from ProMag. My P-mags are plastic. I guess you think they're sh!t too?? The only thing I don't like about it is it's dedicated attachment. Other than that, I'm happy with it. A lot of people that say they are happy with UTG rails, airsoft knockoffs, and other similar products also like to compare them to the real thing. As long as you're happy though, I guess that's all that matters.
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I suspect that once these blocks are mounted inside an aluminum lower, they'll look and be a lot stronger. I like that logic. So, I suspect that if a skinny dork like me stands next to a body builder, I might look and be stronger.
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My attitude about plastic was altered when I saw my first plastic tent pegs a few centuries back. Tent pegs? Really? That's what changed your attitude about plastics? That is absolutely hilarious! kev, you are trying way too hard to be obnoxious. I've seen you do it with far less effort. One insult per reply would be adequate... pace yourself. |
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I got mine in the mail yesterday.
Having only the pictures from WEVO I was expecting something a little different. Once I put it in ("dedicated" lower not a problem due to the buffer, hammer, etc) I was less put off by the plastic. It will take more mag changes than I will ever do to wear out the sides of the block (probably never). The part of the block that will receive the most wear are the front and back which are obviously much thicker. Of course this observation is not based on actual use... yet. I'll put some rounds through it Saturday. The only issue I had was my mags were shipped with the floorplate unsecured. It's easily corrected so no big deal. They weren't put together correctly. |
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kev, you are trying way too hard to be obnoxious. I've seen you do it with far less effort. One insult per reply would be adequate... pace yourself. And rev, you are trying way too hard to be a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader for a Detroit Lions product. It is as if you are the Yin to my Yang - seemingly opposing forces, bound together as parts of a mutual whole, every action complemented by an equal and opposite reaction... I love you rev. 
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kev, you are trying way too hard to be obnoxious. I've seen you do it with far less effort. One insult per reply would be adequate... pace yourself. And rev, you are trying way too hard to be a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader for a Detroit Lions product. It is as if you are the Yin to my Yang - seemingly opposing forces, bound together as parts of a mutual whole, every action complemented by an equal and opposite reaction... I love you rev. Sorry kev, I'm a Titans fan. But I am glad to see you were paying attention in Physics class. And I always knew you were a skinny dork. |
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Well, I guess mostly everyones initial impressions are the same. It looks and feels cheap.
That, I can expect. I mean $89 CP vs. a $200 Hahn. I really didn't expect it to be an overall better product compared to a Hahn. All I want to know is if it will run. I'll be standing by for a range report.
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Well, I guess mostly everyones initial impressions are the same. It looks and feels cheap. That, I can expect. I mean $89 CP vs. a $200 Hahn. I really didn't expect it to be an overall better product compared to a Hahn. All I want to know is if it will run. I'll be standing by for a range report. Im right there with you ..... if it runs and works. FUCK yeah Id like to save a few bucks, hell its not something that I am going to do anything but make a little less expenzive range toy out of anyhow. |
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The walls aren't necessarily that much thinner than my RRA block walls, although they are less rigid because of the material used. I'm not that concerned about the wall thickness because Colt (2pc) and Oly both use a block that have no walls. Again, when you consider where and how it will be used, I can't see it being a big deal.
I'll wait a few more days before I decide to keep mine or not. Not because of how it's made, but rather because I just don't want to have to punch out the bolt catch pin every time want to change calibers. I can switch my other (RRA\Spikes) 9mm to 5.56 at the range in a couple of minutes, and that's how I like it. |
For anyone concerned about the ejector alignment, here's a pic of how it lines up. Because of the synthetic material, the mag slides in smoothly and quietly. The rounded entry corners also make it easy to find the well. The more I play with it, the more I realize that it seems like a good product for those who want a dedicated setup.
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| RevMetric, how do the mags fit now that you have semi installed the block into a lower? I'm just wondering if slight variances between different makes of lowers would have an effect on functioning or fit, considering the plastic block will "give" more than a metal block would. |
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RevMetric, how do the mags fit now that you have semi installed the block into a lower? I'm just wondering if slight variances between different makes of lowers would have an effect on functioning or fit, considering the plastic block will "give" more than a metal block would. The mags slide in smoothly and easily with no side to side movement, and very little front to back play. With the exception of my Hy-Tech block, every mag block I’ve seen has a small amount of front to back play. As far as mag well variance, I can’t really tell if that would make any difference. I have several brands of lowers, but they are all completed so I can’t really test fit anything other than my stripped Spikes. The block does fit well in the this lower and mags slide in without problems. For clarification; anytime I’ve mentioned the block walls being less rigid. I didn’t mean they were flimsy enough to be unsupportive. They are rigid enough in my opinion. When it first arrived, I actually had to handle it for a few minutes before I realized it wasn’t made of metal. The block as a whole is very rigid and seems to be made of good quality polymer. As I’ve mentioned before, it reminds me of that hard Teflon polymer that my Thermolds and P-mags are made of. It does not scratch easily. Although I won’t be using this block because of its dedicated attachment. I wouldn’t have any concerns at all about its construction if I were going to use it. I think we all have initial reservations anytime anything goes from metal to polymer the first time. But with time, we realize it does work well in most applications. Hopefully, this will be one of them. |
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I forgot I had a stripped lower laying around, and because I'm bored. Here are some more pics. Seriously though, when do you think you'll have a chance to get some range reports? Sorry, but I'm not planning to use the block. I made an incorrect assumption when I ordered it that it was a top loading drop in block. It will work fine for someone who wants a dedicated setup. But I prefer to easily switch between calibers. This block will be going on EE soon. |
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I suspect that once these blocks are mounted inside an aluminum lower, they'll look and be a lot stronger. I like that logic. So, I suspect that if a skinny dork like me stands next to a body builder, I might look and be stronger.
No. You have to stand inside the body builder. But that's just wrong - not that there's anything wrong with that. Don't ask, don't tell.  
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Are the riverrock blocks top loading for quick changeout, or is hahn the only one on the block? Rock river blocks are currently bottom loaders for quick change AND last round bolt hold open. Hahn has 2 different "quick change" blocks - a bottom loader with last round bolt hold open and a standard top loader that has no bolt hold open provision when used with a 5.56 bolt catch, but can have last round bolt hold open if you use a 9mm bolt catch (the 9mm bolt catch would need to be removed to insert or remove the block though, negating the quick change ability). I trust that everyone here is aware that Rock River blocks can be had for $125 $140 now from Adco Firearms and that Hahn blocks can be had for $140-160 depending on style. Both RRA and Hahn are aluminum and can be taken apart to allow for ejector replacement if necessary. |
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I suspect that once these blocks are mounted inside an aluminum lower, they'll look and be a lot stronger. I like that logic. So, I suspect that if a skinny dork like me stands next to a body builder, I might look and be stronger.
No. You have to stand inside the body builder. But that's just wrong - not that there's anything wrong with that. Don't ask, don't tell. Really? Gay jokes? There are female body builders. Even If I was inside one of them, it still ain't gonna make me look or actually be any stronger than the skinny dork I am, any more than a cheap plastic block INSIDE an aluminum lower is going to make the cheap plastic block LOOK or BE any stronger than it would be if it were NEXT TO an aluminum lower. |
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Huh? It's the first item listed under categories when you enter the online store. I believe 44 Mag is selling them also. If I ever decide to buy one, 44 Mag is where I'd go, since I'd also be purchasing a few mags to go with it. C Products states that they won't ship any mags over 10 rds to Hawaii. Lame Well uhmmm I'm wondering where I can get one because CProducts isnt advertising them on their web site.... or atleast I cant find it. 
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Looks like they're out of stock though.
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I believe 44 Mag is selling them also. If I ever decide to buy one, 44 Mag is where I'd go, since I'd also be purchasing a few mags to go with it. +1 44mag has them listed in the dropdown with the 9mm magazines. |
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the feed ramp is metal ? Yes, as is the ejector. I got mine and installed it in a DPMS lower - fits tightly. The Teflon-coated CProd mags wobble back and forth some, but only about as much as a normal AR 5.56 mag does in a mag well with no block. The tapered, smooth bottom eges mak mag insertion a breeze - you just poke it in anywhere, and it finds its way in. The ejector wobbles side to side a bit - I can easily move it from over the follower to over the feed lip on the left side of the mag with the mag inserted and locked in. Is that normal, and will it affect function? Also, 5 of my 8 mags are X-marked. |
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the feed ramp is metal ? Yes, as is the ejector. I got mine and installed it in a DPMS lower - fits tightly. The Teflon-coated CProd mags wobble back and forth some, but only about as much as a normal AR 5.56 mag does in a mag well with no block. The tapered, smooth bottom eges mak mag insertion a breeze - you just poke it in anywhere, and it finds its way in. The ejector wobbles side to side a bit - I can easily move it from over the follower to over the feed lip on the left side of the mag with the mag inserted and locked in. Is that normal, and will it affect function? Also, 5 of my 8 mags are X-marked. All 3 brands of mag blocks that I've owned have had some degree of ejector arm looseness. They include two RRAs, a Hy-Tech, and the CP. The CP being the only one I didn't shoot with. I've had zero ejection problems with any of them. I've often wondered if there were some purpose in not making them completely rigid since it seems like it would be easy to do so. I know the ejector needs to have a fairly close and precise relationship with the bolt in order to eject properly. But apparently some degree of looseness is acceptable and may even be purposeful for some reason. I really have no idea, I just know they work like that. |
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