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Posted: 7/27/2005 9:17:31 PM EDT
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I'm considering a .22LR upper. Honestly - how many times a year does this rig make it out of the gun safe? Would you recommend the purchase? Thanks |
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I have in the past owned an DPMS and shot it quite a bit when it was running right. I now have a Ceiner that runs like a top (had a few problemns but got it ok now ) and run more rounds thru it (by far) than all my AR's. One of the factors in this is that it isn't one gun and setup but I can use it with my superlight or my 20" with whatever sight setup I have on any of my uppers. Carry handle,low or high power scope,red dot,EOTECH. I hesitate to hand an AR to a new shooter or a youngster as I don't want them to be blown away with the noise and so forth. The Ceiner is the perfect thing for showing someone how to shot a rifle and easily leads them to shooting a .223 with a rifle they have confidence with and understand the features . For the way I shoot and enjoy my guns I can't think of owning an AR without a CEINER conversion.It really is a must have . |
| i shoot my AR w/ my M261 conversion kit in it a lot more than i shoot .223. mainly because of the sound, but also because of the price. it's fun to go out and shoot at targets w/ .223, but nothing's more fun than burning through 500 .22lr rounds plinking for $8.50. |
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My .22lr upper makes it to the range much more than my .223 (years of non-use). The pistol range is closer and much more convenient to use. While not cheap (most complete uppers start ~$300-400), they do offer more places to practice. Just depends on what kind of range options you have available locally. |
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Since I bought my DPMS .22LR upper mid-May, I've put a whopping 10 rounds of .223 downrange. On the other hand, I'm well into my 5th 550-round-Federal-walmart-bulk-pack of .22LR. Assuming I would have shot as many rounds, the upper has more than paid for itself in ammo savings. In reality, I wouldn't have shot nearly as much, so I may not be ahead financially, but I've gotten a whole heck of a lot more shooting for my $. Oh yeah....and the .22LR upper makes the AR a nice squirrel gun too! 
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I can't disagree with one word anyone else so far has said. I have both a conversion AND a dedicated upper (DPMS) and many weekends they are BOTH at the range. Low shooting cost, low noise, and plenty accurate enough for any kind of practical practice you can think of. What's not to like? |
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Double, I agree with the others. The 22LR is way too much fun. I have a Ceiner and an M261. Very different beasts. If you have a competition or lightened fire control group, you are probably gonna have to fiddle with any conversion. The M261 is easier to make mods to. The M261 is rated for standard velocity only. The Ceiner works with darn near any ammo, and has larger capacity magazines available. Do a little homework by searching, and you will get a lot more info. I just picked up a Futon Armory 22LR barrel for my MGI QCB, which uses the Ceiner. I probably have a thousand rounds through it already, and it is running like a top. If you want any kind of accuracy at all, you will probably want a dedicated upper. The adapters run in the 5.56 barrel are just not terribly accurate. Craig |
I think everybody will agree that the dedicated uppers are a lot more accurate than the drop-in conversions. Whether or not it's worth the extra $300-900 for the dedicated upper depends on how accurate you need/want it to be. In my experience the Ciener with 1/9 barrel will shoot at least twice as big of groups as an out of the box 10/22 and probably more like 4x as big at longer ranges. The dedicated uppers should shoot at least as well as a stock 10/22 on the cheaper ones (like the CZ) and much better than that on the more expensive ones. Ciener was the only conversion in current production until recently when DPMS started offering theirs. At this time the Ciener is the only one with >10 round mags. When I bought mine (pre-sunset) they were the same price pretty much everywhere. That was $140 with a 10-round mag and I think they're $180ish with 30s now that the AWB has sunset. Buying a used Ciener might be a good deal since it would already be broken in and any tweaks to get it to function already done. I think it would be hard to wear one out, but it could have a broken firing pin or extractor. If you're not picky about the configuration and don't need iron sights your best value right now looks to me to be a CZ upper. Then go look for the thread on here about how to make Ciener mags work with it. If you want all AR controls (the CZ has a side charging handle) or iron sights then the DPMS M4 or A2 uppers seem to be the best deal. |
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