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3/26/2005 8:02:54 AM EDT
Is the A1 style upper Colt uses for thier 9mm basically the same as a 5.56mm flattop upper?  I know the case deflector is a bit different, but are there any other differences?

If I bought a Colt 9mm and wanted to convert it to an A3 style upper, would the internals swap out with a stripped 5.56mm flattop upper?

Thanks
3/26/2005 1:48:10 PM EDT
[#1]
Swap away
3/26/2005 2:50:17 PM EDT
[#2]
The 9mm upper doesn't have a cut for the cam pin or a hole for the gas tube.  You can use the 5.56 upper on the 9mm, but not vice versa.
3/26/2005 3:00:18 PM EDT
[#3]
Cool.

The reason I'm asking is that I'm kicking around the idea of having a 9mm twin of my 5.56mm gun.  I want to set it up identically to the 5.56mm for training up close on steel and indoors at ranges not set up for rifles.  I MAY have found a Colt 9mm carbine for a very decent price, but it has the A1 style upper and of course I want the flattop.

I just saw that RRA makes the type of A4 9mm upper receiver I would need.  Should all the Colt parts swap right over or are threads, pins, and other assemblies different?

Any other thoughts, comments?  

Thanks
3/26/2005 3:42:04 PM EDT
[#4]
yes indeed, you can do the swap with no problems, the RRA 9mm uppers are nice as they are the slab side type that you can use the plactic Gas/shell deflector on

For what it is worth, Colt did a special run of the 9mm flat top uppers, but they used the 5.56 type upper except it had no forward assist and no shell deflector, but still had the gas tube hole
3/26/2005 4:54:19 PM EDT
[#5]
Thanks for the info.

I was originally looking at a .22 conversion but this seems like a really good idea.  I'll have to wait to get to the shop on Monday and see what kind of deal I can make on the Colt.
3/26/2005 4:56:19 PM EDT
[#6]
Meh, that's what I did.  Mine is Colt except for the upper receiver.

3/26/2005 5:15:18 PM EDT
[#7]
looks good

Just to get an idea, what's an average/fair $ charge to have this type of swap (upper parts) done (ballpark)?  Are there any 'smith who specialize in the 9mm or is a pretty basic build which any AR 'smith could do.  

I'm still reading up on the 9mm AR and the only thing which worries me is the bolt catch breakage.  That seems to be being addressed on a bunch of different levels so it looks like remedies are out there.
3/26/2005 5:17:26 PM EDT
[#8]
I think I might have the catch breakage whipped with this new buffer I'm working on.  Keep your eye on the thread.

Swapping uppers?  Contact ADCO, but shouldn't be a lot.
3/26/2005 6:52:17 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Are there any 'smith who specialize in the 9mm or is a pretty basic build which any AR 'smith could do.  

M60 Joe does some 9mm AR specific work. I had him put mine together and it came out great.
3/26/2005 7:11:23 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Meh, that's what I did.  Mine is Colt except for the upper receiver.

sniper.rsvs.net/SBR01.jpg



Same thing, all colt except the upper receiver.

3/27/2005 12:44:02 PM EDT
[#11]
Since I'm not sure how old the Colts I'm going to look at are, should pin size concern me?  Is it possible the pins would not work with the RRA-A4 upper?  

Sorry if that sounds like a stupid question,  but I'm new to Colt's and don't have any experience with the 9mm version.

Thanks.
3/28/2005 4:40:49 PM EDT
[#12]
Thanks guys.  I went to the gun shop today and they sold the 9mm Colt last week... for a song!  I hate it when that happens.

Thanks for the input, anyway.
3/28/2005 4:47:41 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
Thanks guys.  I went to the gun shop today and they sold the 9mm Colt last week... for a song!  I hate it when that happens.

Thanks for the input, anyway.



You generally have to jump on Colt 9mms when you see them.  They don't last long, and most people who get one tend not to cut loose of them.
3/28/2005 5:19:57 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Since I'm not sure how old the Colts I'm going to look at are, should pin size concern me?  Is it possible the pins would not work with the RRA-A4 upper?  

Sorry if that sounds like a stupid question,  but I'm new to Colt's and don't have any experience with the 9mm version.

Thanks.



At worst you will need to buy a pin conversion set ($20 MAX).  That would only be if you bought a 9mm upper that was large hole (I don't think they were though) and had a small hole lower.
3/28/2005 5:23:52 PM EDT
[#15]
I kinda did a little swapping for my 9mm build.

Fulton Armory "slick side" M16 stripped upper receiver w/ Colt port door, gas deflector and sight parts.

3/28/2005 5:28:46 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
I kinda did a little swapping for my 9mm build.

Fulton Armory "slick side" M16 stripped upper receiver w/ Colt port door, gas deflector and sight parts.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/rockytherotty/9mmupper2.jpg



Looks good!
3/29/2005 3:37:11 AM EDT
[#17]
I'll keep my eyes open.
3/29/2005 6:41:46 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Since I'm not sure how old the Colts I'm going to look at are, should pin size concern me?  Is it possible the pins would not work with the RRA-A4 upper?  

Sorry if that sounds like a stupid question,  but I'm new to Colt's and don't have any experience with the 9mm version.

Thanks.



At worst you will need to buy a pin conversion set ($20 MAX).  That would only be if you bought a 9mm upper that was large hole (I don't think they were though) and had a small hole lower.



Colt did make some large hole A1 9mm uppers, I picked up one here on the EE awhile back to mate with my RR SP1 if (when) it ges approved.
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