Ciener 22 Question > Rimfire and Pistol Calibers

Posted: 12/1/2004 11:00:56 AM EDT

Anyone running a Ciener 22 conversion, with a .223 upper (1-8 18in) with a sound suppressor? Any problems? Any problems with baffle strikes?Thanks

Posted: 12/2/2004 7:12:53 AM EDT

[#1]

Went ahead and bought one.
It functions flawless with sub sonic, and is Hollywood Quiet!

Posted: 12/7/2004 3:35:55 PM EDT

[#2]

Wes -

I've been off the board for a few weeks & didn't see this until now.

I use a ciener unit a LOT in my CAR-15's, both with 1-9 twist barrels. That twist rate should be WAY wrong for a .22LR bullet, but surprisingly, it does very well. My suppressor is an Advanced Armament M4-2000 with the QD mount, and my most common .22LR load is Remington's 38-grain subsonic hp, and you're right; it is "hollywood quiet". I took a pigeon on a branch at 56 paces a couple months ago, and actually heard the bullet hit the bird.

My most-used target with the ciener is an OSB board with balloons tacked to it, at 40 yards. The bullet striking the wood is louder at the shooter's ear, than the sound of the shot is; and bear in mind, the target is 40 yards farther away. It's that quiet.

No problem with baffle strikes, and I've put literally thousands of .22's thru it. I'm actually waiting on parts for the ciener unit now, as the firing pin broke a week or so ago. (Going thru withdrawal symptoms like mad...)

I was surprised that my "too-fast" 1-9 works as well as it does with "normal" weight .22's; I don't know how an even-faster 1-8 would do.

You want to have some fun with it...? When I see a stray dog (that I want to run off) out in the field, I'll sometimes put a normal (supersonic) .22lr load into a tree or some target 5-10 yards off to the side of him. When the bullet hits the tree (the best is when they're near the pond; it works very well), the sonic crack that comes from the bullet hitting the tree or pond makes the dog take off directly away from the target. He never heard the shot itself, just the sonic crack (and impact) from the target, so it's much 'closer' sounding to him, I expect. Also, this way, I don't have to shoot too near the animal if he's not hurting anything, and it scares them off just as well as if I had.

I initially tried this to confirm what I'd always heard about suppressed supersonic bullets; that if it passes by an animal (or person) the animal will generally look 90-degrees off the shoooter's direction. So far, it appears to be true.

Don't believe it's allowed in TX (I lived in Houston & League City from 1982-1993), but up here in AR you can hunt with a suppressor (which I do), and even with full-auto (which I don't). Our deer are small (much like east Texas deer), and I used mine this year to take a small button buck. I had the only suppressed CAR-15 at deer camp; go figure... For those who bleat about "assault weapons" not being "sporting weapons", I had my teenage son take a pic of me with the deer and the suppressed CAR. Don't know if it's bad form to post personal pics here, so I'll hold off unless someone says it's ok.

Posted: 12/7/2004 3:46:52 PM EDT

[#3]

Bad form? It's practically encouraged.

Post the pic!

Posted: 12/8/2004 3:59:25 AM EDT

[#4]

Thanks John.

Posted: 12/8/2004 6:07:28 AM EDT

[#5]

This is a small .jpg version; we'll see if it's an ok size.

(While I am somewhat of a fat bastard, I'm not quite as fat a bastard as I look in the pic. When out hunting, I wear two level 2A vests, just "because" hinking.gif .)

Bushmaster CAR, (old A1 version), with Leupold Compact 1-4X scope, and AAC M4-2000 suppressor. Ammo was Winchester PowerPointPlus 64-grain; first deer I've ever taken that didn't run some. Spine hit at 80-90 yards; the thing dropped like a white-house intern.

http://www.hunt101.com/img/228846-big.jpg

Posted: 12/9/2004 10:51:59 AM EDT

[#6]

Neat setup. As for the deer, you could just put it on a bun as it is. Just kidding. Deer that size are much better eating than a 4.5 year-old buck.

Oh yeah, email that to PETA with a CC to Feinstein's office.

Posted: 12/9/2004 11:17:01 AM EDT

[#7]

Not a big-un, actually the smallest deer I’ve taken. He should look a little thicker; he’d already been gutted in the pic. Just the way our check-in system works here.

But the story makes it worthwhile. I was sitting at the table with a cup of coffee, debating whether to go out right on the property (I’ve taken deer right at the pond, not 200 yards from the front door), or to drive to another relative’s property 15-20 miles away, where I’d seen plenty of sign the day before. While sitting there discussing it with the guy across the table (a non-hunter), he says, “Look out there” and points out the front door behind me. I turn around and see a doe & this young fawn buck walking by the mailbox.

I figure ‘what the heck’, go back to the room where I’d been sleeping, grab my gun (already had my jacket & vest on), and walk out the back door. By the time I got out there, they were down in the next field, probably 80-90 yards away. Scope the baby to check the antlers (you can take them with no antlers, but not with 1”-plus antlers, unless this and then that… weird laws here), pop him, and am back in the house before my coffee’s cold.

Now that’s hunting. hug.gif

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