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Posted: 12/11/2014 2:02:07 PM EDT
| Is it legal to have someone else, other than myself, machine an 80% lower for me? |
| If they are a licensed manufacturer then yes, they can do it. They will have to mark it with their info, serial #, etc. Thompson Machine used to do this for the CNC Guns AR45 lowers. They canNOT finish it and leave it blank and/or only put your info on it. If they are not a licencsed manufacturer, then NO, they can't do any of the work on it for you, you have to do it yourself. |
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If the answer to the question, "Do you have a manufacturer's license?" is "no", then no. Quoted:
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Can I finish one and give it to a friend? If the answer to the question, "Do you have a manufacturer's license?" is "no", then no. There seems to be some disagreement about your response here. Apparently some of our members are finishing 80% lowers & giving them to friends, & they think it's ok b/c they're not selling them. 
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There seems to be some disagreement about your response here. Apparently some of our members are finishing 80% lowers & giving them to friends, & they think it's ok b/c they're not selling them. Quoted:
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Can I finish one and give it to a friend? If the answer to the question, "Do you have a manufacturer's license?" is "no", then no. There seems to be some disagreement about your response here. Apparently some of our members are finishing 80% lowers & giving them to friends, & they think it's ok b/c they're not selling them. IF you finished one with the intent to give it to a friend, you're in the wrong. If you finished one with the intent of doing it for yourself and then decided to give it away or sell it, you're fine. |
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IF you finished one with the intent to give it to a friend, you're in the wrong. If you finished one with the intent of doing it for yourself and then decided to give it away or sell it, you're fine. Quoted:
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Can I finish one and give it to a friend? If the answer to the question, "Do you have a manufacturer's license?" is "no", then no. There seems to be some disagreement about your response here. Apparently some of our members are finishing 80% lowers & giving them to friends, & they think it's ok b/c they're not selling them. IF you finished one with the intent to give it to a friend, you're in the wrong. If you finished one with the intent of doing it for yourself and then decided to give it away or sell it, you're fine. Haven't finished one yet.  In another thread recently, some folks claimed it was ok to finish a lower for a friend as long as you don't sell it. Doesn't an excise tax have to be paid if it changes hands? And it has to have a S/N & manufacturer info?
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IF you finished one with the intent to give it to a friend, you're in the wrong. If you finished one with the intent of doing it for yourself and then decided to give it away or sell it, you're fine. Quoted:
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Can I finish one and give it to a friend? If the answer to the question, "Do you have a manufacturer's license?" is "no", then no. There seems to be some disagreement about your response here. Apparently some of our members are finishing 80% lowers & giving them to friends, & they think it's ok b/c they're not selling them. IF you finished one with the intent to give it to a friend, you're in the wrong. If you finished one with the intent of doing it for yourself and then decided to give it away or sell it, you're fine. This is the rub. So if you decide to make an AR, buy the 80% lower, do the milling, then decide at the end to give up the project and give it away you are not doing anything different from giving a friend a gun. (Follow the laws re: giving guns.) If you do that same process 50 times a month for a year.... Yeah, probably not gonna convince the BATFEXTGQPVR....... that you are not "in the business of manufacturing" firearms. |
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Still not required on Title I guns. Title II require markings regardless of whether they were made or manufactured. Quoted:
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Know you don't have to put a manufacturer & serial number on guns you KEEP. What about guns that are given away/sold? Still not required on Title I guns. Title II require markings regardless of whether they were made or manufactured. I think we need to have a master "Giving away your completed 80% lower?" thread w/ links to references. There was that case recently where a nephew got nailed for purchasing a pistol for his uncle b/c his uncle had mailed him a check for the exact purchase amount ahead of time. |
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I think we need to have a master "Giving away your completed 80% lower?" thread w/ links to references. There was that case recently where a nephew got nailed for purchasing a pistol for his uncle b/c his uncle had mailed him a check for the exact purchase amount ahead of time. Quoted:
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Know you don't have to put a manufacturer & serial number on guns you KEEP. What about guns that are given away/sold? Still not required on Title I guns. Title II require markings regardless of whether they were made or manufactured. I think we need to have a master "Giving away your completed 80% lower?" thread w/ links to references. There was that case recently where a nephew got nailed for purchasing a pistol for his uncle b/c his uncle had mailed him a check for the exact purchase amount ahead of time. That was stupid. If the Unkle was just giving him the money for the nephew, that is just gifting money. It should have been thrown out as Scallia said that kne the common language is not used that way & the intent of the law (which their isn't one that pertains to straw purchases in any legislation, yet only exists as a stickler on the 4473, is complete crap anyway) since they both passed BGC's. But Yes you can sell a finished 80% or give it away. |
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That was stupid. If the Unkle was just giving him the money for the nephew, that is just gifting money. It should have been thrown out as Scallia said that kne the common language is not used that way & the intent of the law (which their isn't one that pertains to straw purchases in any legislation, yet only exists as a stickler on the 4473, is complete crap anyway) since they both passed BGC's. In that case, I'm in deep yogurt. I bought a .380 for my father's birthday present a couple of years ago. |
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Quoted: In that case, I'm in deep yogurt. I bought a .380 for my father's birthday present a couple of years ago. The problem was not that it was a present. The problem was that it WASN'T a present, and the Feds had the cashed check prior to the pistol sale to prove it. |
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The problem was not that it was a present. The problem was that it WASN'T a present, and the Feds had the cashed check prior to the pistol sale to prove it. Quoted:
Quoted: In that case, I'm in deep yogurt. I bought a .380 for my father's birthday present a couple of years ago. The problem was not that it was a present. The problem was that it WASN'T a present, and the Feds had the cashed check prior to the pistol sale to prove it. In that case, it would be wise to only take cash. |
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In that case, it would be wise to only take cash. Quoted:
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Quoted: In that case, I'm in deep yogurt. I bought a .380 for my father's birthday present a couple of years ago. The problem was not that it was a present. The problem was that it WASN'T a present, and the Feds had the cashed check prior to the pistol sale to prove it. In that case, it would be wise to only take cash. That would help, but not guaranteed by any means. Wiser yet to make old man pay full booty for his gun & not risk going to jail. Like I said if Uncle would have just given him the money to purchase a gun for the guy himself then that could be construed as, like I said, gifting money. Funny how even LEO got nailed for this. Even took it to SCOTUS, & yes should have won, but didn't, even though he fully believed he was in the right. |
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He enjoyed it quite a bit when I took him out to break it in. Of course, having been a pump shot gun shooter and bolt action .22 shooter for years, he looked at me like I grew a second head when I explained that a semi-auto pistol needs to be broken in.
Heck, my Ruger SP-101 wheel gun had to be broken in. The first 25 shots on it sucked big time. Gritty trigger. Ridiculous trigger pull force. It was awful. After about 100, it shoots like a wet dream! Same thing with his Bursa. My AR, first time it took it to the range, it was amazing. I was flooded with the memory of shooting in Basic, without my DI giving me Hell for just shooting Marksman and putting enough rounds in my shipmate's target so that he would qualify. |
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