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Posted: 10/18/2014 10:05:47 AM EDT
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Hey guy, I'm an older guy, retired squid looking to buy my first AR. Not really interested in a build project. I have been reading, learning, and trying to position myself to make a reasonable buying decision. I don't plan on shooting real often and think a weapon in the $1,000 range would be adequate.
I have considered S&W, Ruger, and others. I found this AR and it seems to be a solid weapon http://www.cyaguns.com/product.palmetto-state-armory-m4-16-556-wvortex-scope-wmoe So here's the question, what is missing from this package that I should be aware of? Thanks for any guidance given. |
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Your link wasn't working for me. Here it is again PSA Carbine
From what I can tell, the only things that are missing are the back up iron sight, (BUIS pictured, but sold separately) and a sling. Welcome aboard. Enjoy. 
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That would be a decent AR based on your wants/needs, should be GTG. Notice the ad and the picture both mention that some of the things pictured aren't included.
I'd suggest that you just buy directly from Palmetto State Armory and save yourself a couple hundred dollars...and have PSA's customer service behind them. Pick a 16" (or longer) upper that fits your desire - HERE You might find a combo that it more to your liking. Note that some uppers come with the charging handle and bolt carrier group and some do not. If not...they have a nice setup on sale for $119.98 - HERE Get this lower for $209.99 - HERE grab a Vortex Strikefire on sale for $99.99 - HERE and throw in some D&H magazines on sale for $6.99 - HERE Oh, and welcome to Arfcom! 
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Quoted: That would be a decent AR based on your wants/needs, should be GTG. Notice the ad and the picture both mention that some of the things pictured aren't included. I'd suggest that you just buy directly from Palmetto State Armory and save yourself a couple hundred dollars...and have PSA's customer service behind them. Pick a 16" (or longer) upper that fits your desire - HERE You might find a combo that it more to your liking. Note that some uppers come with the charging handle and bolt carrier group and some do not. If not...they have a nice setup on sale for $119.98 - HERE Get this lower for $209.99 - HERE grab a Vortex Strikefire on sale for $99.99 - HERE and throw in some D&H magazines on sale for $6.99 - HERE Oh, and welcome to Arfcom! This is exactly how I would do it if I didn't want to do any assembling on my own. You can have the upper sent directly to your home. The lower needs to go through a FFL and that can be arranged through PSA. If you have to buy a bolt carrier group and charging handle separately , it slips right in... its part of the field strip procedure that you need to know anyway. Don't forget a sling and throw on a red dot and you will be on your way to the range within minutes of getting all this stuff. The upper pins onto the lower with two pins that are part of the lower. Feel free to ask anything... we are here to help you. |
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Colt 6920 for $899 w/5 mags: http://www.cdnnsports.com/6920-16-flat-top-rogers-ret.html#.VEKjoel0wcE
Very solid first choice. If you're more budget-minded, check out the S&W M&P Sport. Tomac |
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I agree buy directly from PSA and save some $$$$$ . If there is a chance this will be used for home defense you can add a good light and mount, sling and optic of your choice. I only use and recommend PMAGS. If you may want to sell in the future you may want to look at Colt, many WalMarts carry them. They will be worth more if you go to sell simply because of their name. Also check out Spikes and BCM both make quality weapons. Don't forget about the "Blem" offerings from PSA. I bought a complete Blem Lower for $129.99 and still cannot find a single flaw. Good luck and welcome to the jungle!!!!!
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I appreciate all the info and pointers but is there anything about the particular package I listed that I should be leary of? I would like to establish a relationship with my local gun store so that is one reason to buy a complete weapon from a local dealer. Also I added the prices of an upper, lower, BCG, and other small parts and I don't see any great savings buying parts. My readings suggest PSA makes decent parts.
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I appreciate all the info and pointers but is there anything about the particular package I listed that I should be leary of? I would like to establish a relationship with my local gun store so that is one reason to buy a complete weapon from a local dealer. Also I added the prices of an upper, lower, BCG, and other small parts and I don't see any great savings buying parts. My readings suggest PSA makes decent parts. To answer you question the only thing missing is a flip up rear sight, ammo, and more magazines |
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To learn a little more about barrels, see http://neverenuffammo.com/?p=355
For the price, if using mainly as a range toy or even home defense, it's good enough. Like other posters have suggested, get a rear BUIS, but that's not a critical necessity(unless for HD). Just don't expect the Vortex RDS to be as good and durable as an Aimpoint. Unless you plan on going to war and wanting something more dependable or want a tack driver, then you may want to do some more research. Whatever you are looking for in an AR, I am never a fan of the standard mil-spec trigger, but a good trigger is not cheap. |
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I think you're getting at my concerns in a round about way. You suggest if I want something more dependable to do more research. I see many posters who have used or recommend PSA componnts in their builds. So my thinking is that PSA makes safe and well functioning parts and a complete weapon from them would be a reliable shooter with good accuracy. I will not be competing and don't need the latest or best package. I'm looking for a completed weapon, made with solid components, that should give a lifetime of service assuming proper care, and will fire reliably.
I've focused on three different weapons so far, the PSA listed in post 1&2, Ruger AR556, and SW M&P15 MOE, model 81153. All a bit different but appear to be satisfactory choices in their respective price range. |
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Quoted: I appreciate all the info and pointers but is there anything about the particular package I listed that I should be leary of? I would like to establish a relationship with my local gun store so that is one reason to buy a complete weapon from a local dealer. Also I added the prices of an upper, lower, BCG, and other small parts and I don't see any great savings buying parts. My readings suggest PSA makes decent parts. not going to argue with you, but I just priced what I know to be a good kit, because I have it... and it came out to 509 without the red dot. how is that not a great savings over a one of those $850-1000+ complete rifles on your list? and all you have to do is put 2 pins into it to make it complete. You can develop a relationship with your local FFL the day that you have your lower shipped to him, and you can buy ammo and accessories at his store with the 500 that you saved by listening to people who are trying to help you. |
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I'm certainly not looking for an argument.
I came here looking for advice but I did frame my question around one point that seems to have been overlooked, I want to purchase a factory built weapon not build one from parts. I would hope you guys would respect that instead of giving me static about the way I want to spend my money. I have the resources to buy pretty much any long gun I like. I'm interested in an AR15 but not interested in competition on the range or off. I think I can find a reliable weapon in the $800 - $1200 range that should last me for the rest of my life. I've seen the Colt 6920 (LE?) suggested and I have asked about the SW M&P15 MOE Mid MAGPUL Series, the PSA mentioned up thread, and a friend suggested the Ruger AR 556 as a basic entry level rifle. There are hundreds of choices possible which is why I posted asking for help from guys who have been down this road. |
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I'm certainly not looking for an argument. I came here looking for advice but I did frame my question around one point that seems to have been overlooked, I want to purchase a factory built weapon not build one from parts. I would hope you guys would respect that instead of giving me static about the way I want to spend my money. I have the resources to buy pretty much any long gun I like. I'm interested in an AR15 but not interested in competition on the range or off. I think I can find a reliable weapon in the $800 - $1200 range that should last me for the rest of my life. I've seen the Colt 6920 (LE?) suggested and I have asked about the SW M&P15 MOE Mid MAGPUL Series, the PSA mentioned up thread, and a friend suggested the Ruger AR 556 as a basic entry level rifle. There are hundreds of choices possible which is why I posted asking for help from guys who have been down this road. To be honest I would go with the rifle you originally linked, it is a good rifle, but you will need a rear sight, The same gun could be sourced cheaper, but I think most of us bought our original AR as a complete rifle, and when you do that you will pay the assembly cost, as long as you are fine with that go for it. Some of the people on this site have a very strong opinion and when you ask a somewhat vague question, they tend to try to pull you their way, for instance many here are Glock or 1911 fan boys, and if you were to ask the question what pistol should I get? 95% of the answers will be get a Glock or 1911. So when you come to a site like this realize that some of the answers will be biased and need to be taken with a grain of salt. Which means do your own research and read different threads here, and other sites. In the AR world many on this site a Colt fan boys and believe that everyone's first rifle should be a Colt. I agree Colt makes a good rifle, but they are the standard which means they fall in the middle of the pack of ARs, there are some better, and there are some worse. I would say PSA is on par with Colt it's a middle of the pack rifle, where you are not paying for the Colt logo, and why they carry a cheaper price point. Personally I would not go with a Ruger 556 for you first gun, the reason being they are not mil spec, they are a proprietary piston system, not a DI system like most other ARs, and while I don't believe Ruger will ever go out of business, their business model has changed over the years, for instance the deceased owner Bill Ruger did not believe in high capacity magazines, and fought to keep Ruger in FUDD guns only. Here is what I mean. This was sent to every member of congress in 1989. ("The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms (which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of defining 'assault rifle' and 'semi-automatic rifles' is eliminated. The large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could effectively implement these objectives." William B. Ruger ) From Wikipedia So that means IMO that their company mindset could always change again, and maybe they won't make parts for those evil Modern Sporting Rifles (MSR) like the Ruger 556 anymore. |
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If you insist of buying a complete and money is not an issue, just get the PSA and get it over with, nothing wrong with PSA and it should go bang every time. I never bought a PSA rifle, just make sure that they'll stand behind their product, incase something goes wrong.
Heck, I bought a 2K complete AR that can shoot 1 MOA(more like 1/2 MOA), with no sights at all, which I had to buy separately. Prior to even shooting it for the first time, I noticed that the ejector pin was a solid pin(unusual) and not a typical roll pin and I was able to move it back and forth, using slight pressure with a small screw driver. I asked the manufacturer about it, they said "don't worry, it's not going to come out". The first time out, after 14 rds, the fucking pin snapped. I guess I just happened to be one of their lucky secret black op test subject. Then I noticed that the barrel extension had tool chatter marks, won't affect the functionality, but for 2K + tax, I want it fucking perfect, so I shipped the upper back and they fixed it quickly. Not gonna mention who the manufacturer is, the issues were fixed and that's the end of that story. I also bought a Daniel Defense M4V5 over a yr ago, very nice finish and fitting, good mil-spec for about $1500, have not even shot it yet. Here is something to make your head spin a little bit more riflegear.com. It's like picking a wife for a lifetime, no divorces
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Thanks, I'm leaning in the diection of the PSA rifle.
A couple of attractive points on the SW M&P 15 is the MOE furniture and the barrel with a 1:8 twist & 5r rifling.which should be a good middle ground for both lighter and heavier bullets. Not chromed lined but from what I understand that is not a big factor for casual shooters. A jack of all trades, master of none kind of gun. What I don't know about S&W is their customer service after the sale and general quality of their goods overall. Something that could be helpful is knowing I have maybe 12-15 years of active shooting life remaining which takes me to 75+ years old. I'm not new to shooting by any definition having been given my first rifle at age 7 (still have it) several long guns, shotguns, and handguns over the years. But I am new to the AR world. |
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Thanks, I'm leaning in the diection of the PSA rifle. Just go with whatever you feel you're right with, PSA, S&W, Colt, etc. It's something that's gonna last for a loooong time, you may need to replace little minor parts here and there if you use it a lot. Typical chrome lined barrel with non match ammo accuracy is gonna be around 2-3 MOA. Just don't expect to drive it into a squirrel's butt's dead on with every shot. Personally, I like SOME of the MOE furniture, like the MOE grip that allows a grip core to store spare parts, some of their stocks. But, not a big fan of their handguard, visually, just not into it. The twist, I guess you can say that 1:8 may be a good balance. Think how often you may be shooting heavier bullets that requires a 1:7. I'm not Bill Gates, so I shoot nothing but LC 55gr. My 2K AR is 1:8. Shooting LC 55gr with a 2MOA RDS and 3x mag, I'm able to get just right above 1 MOA and I don't get to shoot much(with non 20/20 eyesight), due to my work schedule. Give me a break, you still got at least 40 yrs to go(look at George Burns with his cigars), make sure you get one that will last at least 40+ years. BTW: I've heard Ruger does not have very good customer service. |
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I think you're getting at my concerns in a round about way. You suggest if I want something more dependable to do more research. I see many posters who have used or recommend PSA componnts in their builds. So my thinking is that PSA makes safe and well functioning parts and a complete weapon from them would be a reliable shooter with good accuracy. I will not be competing and don't need the latest or best package. I'm looking for a completed weapon, made with solid components, that should give a lifetime of service assuming proper care, and will fire reliably. I've focused on three different weapons so far, the PSA listed in post 1&2, Ruger AR556, and SW M&P15 MOE, model 81153. All a bit different but appear to be satisfactory choices in their respective price range. If I were you I would do a bit more googling on PSA. You will find an equal amount if not more, complaints about PSA concerning quality control and customer service problems especially here on Ar15.com. There are many here that will tell you they are the best thing since sliced bread. With your budget I would be looking at BCM, Spikes...possibly Colt. Its just my opinion but you roll the dice with PSA and you can afford peace of mind. 
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| I know from personal experience that PSA makes nice stuff. I have to admit that I built mine and would normally recommend that route but since you said that you don't want to do that, don't build it. Seriously. Their rifles use the same parts that they sell as parts and everything is good quality. They use FN hammer forged barrels (FN is a Belgian company but the barrels that PSA sells are made in SC). Their site claims to be "temporarily out of stock" on the rifle that you linked to, but for complete rifles, everything is built to order so you could call them and get a quote on that rifle. Remember that you'll have to pay transfer fees when you get it shipped to your FFL guy. |
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Quoted: Thanks, I'm leaning in the diection of the PSA rifle. A couple of attractive points on the SW M&P 15 is the MOE furniture and the barrel with a 1:8 twist & 5r rifling.which should be a good middle ground for both lighter and heavier bullets. Not chromed lined but from what I understand that is not a big factor for casual shooters. A jack of all trades, master of none kind of gun. What I don't know about S&W is their customer service after the sale and general quality of their goods overall. Something that could be helpful is knowing I have maybe 12-15 years of active shooting life remaining which takes me to 75+ years old. I'm not new to shooting by any definition having been given my first rifle at age 7 (still have it) several long guns, shotguns, and handguns over the years. But I am new to the AR world. just so you know, the only reason I suggested you mating an upper to a lower is, so you would have a more choices. I cant see paying top dollar for a rifle that I can get you for 508. You talking about a PSA carbine is not the same as you talking about buying a $1000 rifle. They are not in the same category. |
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just so you know, the only reason I suggested you mating an upper to a lower is, so you would have a more choices. I cant see paying top dollar for a rifle that I can get you for 508. You talking about a PSA carbine is not the same as you talking about buying a $1000 rifle. They are not in the same category. Quoted:
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Thanks, I'm leaning in the diection of the PSA rifle. A couple of attractive points on the SW M&P 15 is the MOE furniture and the barrel with a 1:8 twist & 5r rifling.which should be a good middle ground for both lighter and heavier bullets. Not chromed lined but from what I understand that is not a big factor for casual shooters. A jack of all trades, master of none kind of gun. What I don't know about S&W is their customer service after the sale and general quality of their goods overall. Something that could be helpful is knowing I have maybe 12-15 years of active shooting life remaining which takes me to 75+ years old. I'm not new to shooting by any definition having been given my first rifle at age 7 (still have it) several long guns, shotguns, and handguns over the years. But I am new to the AR world. You talking about a PSA carbine is not the same as you talking about buying a $1000 rifle. They are not in the same category. This...^^^. OP..you have the money to buy far more peace of mind than PSA for not that much more. |
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Quoted: Thanks, I'm leaning in the diection of the PSA rifle. A couple of attractive points on the SW M&P 15 is the MOE furniture and the barrel with a 1:8 twist & 5r rifling.which should be a good middle ground for both lighter and heavier bullets. Not chromed lined but from what I understand that is not a big factor for casual shooters. A jack of all trades, master of none kind of gun. What I don't know about S&W is their customer service after the sale and general quality of their goods overall. Something that could be helpful is knowing I have maybe 12-15 years of active shooting life remaining which takes me to 75+ years old. I'm not new to shooting by any definition having been given my first rifle at age 7 (still have it) several long guns, shotguns, and handguns over the years. But I am new to the AR world. |
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just so you know, the only reason I suggested you mating an upper to a lower is, so you would have a more choices. I cant see paying top dollar for a rifle that I can get you for 508. You talking about a PSA carbine is not the same as you talking about buying a $1000 rifle. They are not in the same category. I really appreciate your guidance but I don't know enough right now to understand which parts are good choices for the price asked. One reason for leaning to a complete weapon on the first go around. I was hoping to get a solid, well built weapon that will function reliaby. I've seen comments that Colt is the way to go in particular the 6920. Would that be the LE6920 or a different variant. One other thing, I've mentioned the SW M&P 15 a few times, not the Sport. No one is talking but is this one to stay away from for some reason? Lastly, based on your avatar we may have something in common |
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Quoted: I really appreciate your guidance but I don't know enough right now to understand which parts are good choices for the price asked. One reason for leaning to a complete weapon on the first go around. I was hoping to get a solid, well built weapon that will function reliaby. I've seen comments that Colt is the way to go in particular the 6920. Would that be the LE6920 or a different variant. One other thing, I've mentioned the SW M&P 15 a few times, not the Sport. No one is talking but is this one to stay away from for some reason? Lastly, based on your avatar we may have something in common Quoted: Quoted: just so you know, the only reason I suggested you mating an upper to a lower is, so you would have a more choices. I cant see paying top dollar for a rifle that I can get you for 508. You talking about a PSA carbine is not the same as you talking about buying a $1000 rifle. They are not in the same category. I really appreciate your guidance but I don't know enough right now to understand which parts are good choices for the price asked. One reason for leaning to a complete weapon on the first go around. I was hoping to get a solid, well built weapon that will function reliaby. I've seen comments that Colt is the way to go in particular the 6920. Would that be the LE6920 or a different variant. One other thing, I've mentioned the SW M&P 15 a few times, not the Sport. No one is talking but is this one to stay away from for some reason? Lastly, based on your avatar we may have something in common The LE6920 is a 6920 with MOE furniture. The 6920 comes with regular furniture and possible other differences, but I'm not a Colt guy. I would get a LE6920 in a heartbeat, especially now, that the prices have come way down. The reason the prices are lower now isn't because of less quality, but its directly related to competition. Colt lost huge .mil contracts in the last couple of years, so they must sell more units to the civi market and they must compete with all the other AR makers to do that. They are right around $900, sometimes you can get em for $800. I don't need anymore carbines, and I don't buy whole rifles for competition. But anyway, you cant go wrong with a LE6920. That's if you really need or want a 16 inch rifle. I'm going to give you a lil more advise, that you might want to explore before buying. Look into getting a 20 inch rifle. its more versatile in that it can be used to qualify for NRA marksmanship classes and you can use it in CMP highpower matches. Lots of older guys shoot these matches and it keeps you active without a lot of running around, like in a 3 gun or defensive carbine course. You may say to yourself, self? im not going to ever want to compete at my club level. that's what I said after I built 2 carbines, that I cant now use for anything other than fooling around at the plinking range with. My 20's I can use in any competition and I can fool around at the range with, its a win/win. I have 2 A4 style rifles like this and they are an absolute joy to shoot. http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Rifles/AR15A4.aspx |
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Look into getting a 20 inch rifle. its more versatile in that it can be used to qualify for NRA marksmanship classes and you can use it in CMP highpower matches. Lots of older guys shoot these matches and it keeps you active without a lot of running around, like in a 3 gun or defensive carbine course. You may say to yourself, self? im not going to ever want to compete at my club level. that's what I said after I built 2 carbines, that I cant now use for anything other than fooling around at the plinking range with. My 20's I can use in any competition and I can fool around at the range with, its a win/win. I have 2 A4 style rifles like this and they are an absolute joy to shoot. http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Rifles/AR15A4.aspx Quoted:
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just so you know, the only reason I suggested you mating an upper to a lower is, so you would have a more choices. I cant see paying top dollar for a rifle that I can get you for 508. You talking about a PSA carbine is not the same as you talking about buying a $1000 rifle. They are not in the same category. Lastly, based on your avatar we may have something in common http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_1/162_Masonic_Forum.html
Look into getting a 20 inch rifle. its more versatile in that it can be used to qualify for NRA marksmanship classes and you can use it in CMP highpower matches. Lots of older guys shoot these matches and it keeps you active without a lot of running around, like in a 3 gun or defensive carbine course. You may say to yourself, self? im not going to ever want to compete at my club level. that's what I said after I built 2 carbines, that I cant now use for anything other than fooling around at the plinking range with. My 20's I can use in any competition and I can fool around at the range with, its a win/win. I have 2 A4 style rifles like this and they are an absolute joy to shoot. http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Rifles/AR15A4.aspx Ok, back to square one. Any key things to be aware of between carbine and rifles. Had to snip so I could post. Thanks for the links. |
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I really appreciate your guidance but I don't know enough right now to understand which parts are good choices for the price asked. One reason for leaning to a complete weapon on the first go around. I was hoping to get a solid, well built weapon that will function reliaby. I've seen comments that Colt is the way to go in particular the 6920. Would that be the LE6920 or a different variant. One other thing, I've mentioned the SW M&P 15 a few times, not the Sport. No one is talking but is this one to stay away from for some reason? Lastly, based on your avatar we may have something in common Quoted:
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just so you know, the only reason I suggested you mating an upper to a lower is, so you would have a more choices. I cant see paying top dollar for a rifle that I can get you for 508. You talking about a PSA carbine is not the same as you talking about buying a $1000 rifle. They are not in the same category. I really appreciate your guidance but I don't know enough right now to understand which parts are good choices for the price asked. One reason for leaning to a complete weapon on the first go around. I was hoping to get a solid, well built weapon that will function reliaby. I've seen comments that Colt is the way to go in particular the 6920. Would that be the LE6920 or a different variant. One other thing, I've mentioned the SW M&P 15 a few times, not the Sport. No one is talking but is this one to stay away from for some reason? Lastly, based on your avatar we may have something in common Free Masons?
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just so you know, the only reason I suggested you mating an upper to a lower is, so you would have a more choices. I cant see paying top dollar for a rifle that I can get you for 508. You talking about a PSA carbine is not the same as you talking about buying a $1000 rifle. They are not in the same category. Lastly, based on your avatar we may have something in common http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_1/162_Masonic_Forum.html
Look into getting a 20 inch rifle. its more versatile in that it can be used to qualify for NRA marksmanship classes and you can use it in CMP highpower matches. Lots of older guys shoot these matches and it keeps you active without a lot of running around, like in a 3 gun or defensive carbine course. You may say to yourself, self? im not going to ever want to compete at my club level. that's what I said after I built 2 carbines, that I cant now use for anything other than fooling around at the plinking range with. My 20's I can use in any competition and I can fool around at the range with, its a win/win. I have 2 A4 style rifles like this and they are an absolute joy to shoot. http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Rifles/AR15A4.aspx Ok, back to square one. Any key things to be aware of between carbine and rifles. Had to snip so I could post. Thanks for the links. Don't think anyone has mentioned it but I think a better option would be something with a mid-length gas system rather than a rifle or carbine. |
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I came here looking for advice but I did frame my question around one point that seems to have been overlooked, I want to purchase a factory built weapon not build one from parts.. buying a PSA complete upper and a PSA complete lower is essentially buying a complete PSA gun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXbZeuBacnw pretend the accuwedge doesn't exist, and assume the BCG and charging handle are already inside the upper. you literally just need to use the 2 pins to mate them, and it potentially saves you money with everything being factory assembled. i don't really consider this the same as building your own gun, it's literally just 2 take down pins that can be pulled with your fingers assuming you've got strong finger nails. |
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Middy would be better if he gets a 16.He's not sure yet. Good guess. That was a tough one.
Best bang for your buck Eta: if you go with a Middy |
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If you are still looking for a carbine Colt. THIS is an absolute Steal. |
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Middy would be better if he gets a 16.He's not sure yet. Good guess. That was a tough one.
Best bang for your buck Eta: if you go with a Middy The pricing does seem to be spot on and I haven't seen to many negative comments about Spikes. Wonder why they ship without a mag? |
Welcome aboard. I would suggest to do some research as you are doing. The PSA gun you linked just needs a rear iron site, Oh and ammo. I would guess the NO mag thing would be that for some states High cap mags are illegal and they just did away with them for you to purchase for $10 or so. Spikes does make a good gun. As does Colt and S&W that are in your price range. Nothing really wrong with any of them.
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