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9/12/2014 11:39:11 AM EDT
First off, I'm new to the forum but figured I'd jump right in. I have an 5.56 upper w/ 1/9 twist that regardless of wether I shoot .223 or 5.56 my rounds are tumbling BEFORE they hit the target. I first noticed it while shooting Wolf .223 a couple years back. Last week, I was out using Winchester 5.56 and had the same thing happen. I've been using 55 grain rounds but gave the heavier ones a try just to see if it would be different. It wasn't. I was just curious if anyone else had any similar problems and if so, what was the conclusion/solution. Thanks for any input and help
9/12/2014 11:49:44 AM EDT
[#1]
Does it have a flash suppressor? I would look at that first. If its removable then take it off and test your gun.
9/12/2014 11:54:51 AM EDT
[#2]
I just have the standard bird cage on it. It's cranked down on there and lined up damn near perfect. An additional note, I shot the same ammo through a separate upper and had better results
9/12/2014 12:01:30 PM EDT
[#3]
Shitty paper targets can fool you into thinking your bullets are tumbling.  At what distance? What barrel length?  Who made the barrel?  Is it new?  

Look down the bore with a bore light and check for damage.
9/12/2014 12:10:11 PM EDT
[#4]
If I can figure out how to get a picture up here I will. But even with the shoot and see (black and yellow) targets, I get the same thing. I was shooting at 100 yards from a 16 in barrel. Not sure who made it but it was new when the rifle was built in 2011.
9/12/2014 1:09:36 PM EDT
[#5]
16 inch barrel at 100 yds. with 55gr ammo 1/9 twist....shouldn't be having a problem.

I agree with previous poster...need to look inside bore.
9/12/2014 1:12:10 PM EDT
[#6]
https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=583485

Basically, clean it and remove copper fouling, remove FH and inspect muzzle, bore and chamber,  maybe need to replace barrel.
Good news is that barrels can can be found for good prices if you hunt for them.
9/12/2014 1:58:47 PM EDT
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https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=583485

Basically, clean it and remove copper fouling, remove FH and inspect muzzle, bore and chamber,  maybe need to replace barrel.
Good news is that barrels can can be found for good prices if you hunt for them.
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Make sure you use a good bore brush and some good solvent. When you start running clean patch through it, do it until you get hardly and residue showing. Go shoot it again, only this time, do not shoot any Wolf steel ammo. Use some good brass .223 or 5.56. Let us know the result.
9/12/2014 9:20:33 PM EDT
[#8]
Thanks for all the feedback. Sounds like I'll hopefully be doing the range next weekend and
9/13/2014 1:57:58 AM EDT
[#9]
Welcome aboard. I would suggest trying higher quality ammo above wolf when shooting for accuracy. If your just plinking away then wolf is fine. Check the cheaper options first before chasing the high dollar items.JMO
9/13/2014 1:49:15 PM EDT
[#10]
sounds like keyhole (ing) effect. Usually, this is seen when the rifle twist rate is improper for the ammo.  You used different ammo and had the same result so it is something in your rifle.  The first place I would check is the crown of the muzzle.  This is the first place that gets damaged and causes inaccuracy issues.  Re-crowning the barrel will be as expensive as buying a new barrel.  Do check for damage in your bore as well.
good luck.
9/13/2014 10:39:41 PM EDT
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sounds like keyhole (ing) effect. Usually, this is seen when the rifle twist rate is improper for the ammo.  You used different ammo and had the same result so it is something in your rifle.  The first place I would check is the crown of the muzzle.  This is the first place that gets damaged and causes inaccuracy issues.  Re-crowning the barrel will be as expensive as buying a new barrel.  Do check for damage in your bore as well.
good luck.
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There are plenty of things besides crown damage that can cause keyholing. OP has stated that he has a FH on. Why would you assume crown damage?

OP, did I miss how many rounds through the barrel?
9/13/2014 11:09:40 PM EDT
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There are plenty of things besides crown damage that can cause keyholing. OP has stated that he has a FH on. Why would you assume crown damage?

OP, did I miss how many rounds through the barrel?



I have sent about 1500-2000 rounds down range through that barrel
9/15/2014 12:31:27 AM EDT
[#13]
Just for SNG Give the barrel a real good cleaning and switch to better quality ammo JUST to see what happens. Worst that will happen is you end up with a clean gun and out  the price of a box of Quality ammo. One less possibility checked off the list. I'm Not saying your ammo is cheap junk but I have heard of the Comm-bloc stuff do funny things from time to time. Maybe the problem, Maybe not.
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