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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:27:30 PM EDT
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I've never used a different trigger before and I'm finally looking to upgrade. Only problem is there are so many choices and I can't easily get my hands on a bunch to try them out. I've been looking at Wilson, CMC, Timney, Geissele, Hipertouch etc...
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I've never used a different trigger before and I'm finally looking to upgrade. Only problem is there are so many choices and I can't easily get my hands on a bunch to try them out. I've been looking at Wilson, CMC, Timney, Geissele, Hipertouch etc... So, how do I decide what I should be buying? Most folks will say GET GEISSELE. I have several geissele triggers and a few alg's. They are great. I would suggest reading this trigger reivew by septic aka the guy who runs CCA here in Iowa. He put work into it and you will see there is more than just geissele even if it is one of the more popular answers. It is a hard choice good luck. |
| The question you should be asking is what Geissele trigger should you be buying. Check this thread out, maybe hold out to see when these will be available. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1611794_New_Geissele_Trigger___Would_You_Buy___ETA_UPDATE_ON_ESTIMATED_PRICE_ETA_2_BIG_OL__TITTIES___.html |
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| I am going through the same decision as you and my AR will be used for basically the same purposes. A lot of folks are saying go Geissele SSA-E or G2S but the more I read about the drop-in Wilson TTU single stage, I think that's the route I'm going. As soon as I spot a deal on one, I'm taking the plunge. It should be a nice upgrade over my stock DD trigger. While being a little more pricey than the Geissele, I don't mind the few extra bucks as they're 'whale shit in the ocean' considering the cost of my rifle overall. |
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for your intended purposes I would look at a alg combat trigger (act) they are only $65 plus s&h from bcm and I consider it to be a nice trigger upgrade with a clean 5.5 lb pull and very crisp break
I love em and if you don't like it your only out 65 bucks compared to $230 or more I decided to try out a rra nm two stage trigger a while back got it installed it and ran a mag thru it, and ended up installing a combat trigger anyways so now I got a $120 two stage trigger just sitting in the parts drawer just my two cents |
| Try and find a shop with a trial lower. Wilson and geissele both have modified lowers they sell to dealers where they can install the trigger and allow you to test it. This is how i ended up with all of the geisseles i have is after getting to try them. Before that i thought i would hate flat trigger bows and now i have 6 of them. |
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Try and find a shop with a trial lower.... This is the best way to do it I think. Also there is a difference between cheap product and expensive product. Its worth the coin. I wish my trigger was lighter... Jp yellows with a single stage milspec are for sure decent and cost effective. |
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It will be for a little bit of hunting, a little bench shooting, but mostly just messing around plinking. Sounds like a perfect application for a stock trigger What if his stock trigger sucks? If so, why not improve on it some? Seems like a very general statement you're making there based on an assumption he has a good stock trigger that couldn't use some improvement. |
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Try and find a shop with a trial lower. Wilson and geissele both have modified lowers they sell to dealers where they can install the trigger and allow you to test it. This is how i ended up with all of the geisseles i have is after getting to try them. Before that i thought i would hate flat trigger bows and now i have 6 of them. THIS. I am lucky to live in Washington State only 45mins away from Rainer Arms. So, i went down there and started pulling triggers. One of the guys came over and gave me the pros and cons on all the triggers. after 30-45mins of pulling triggers I walked out with a Geissele Combat Trigger SSA. IMHO Can't go wrong with a good two stage trigger. |
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It will be for a little bit of hunting, a little bench shooting, but mostly just messing around plinking. ALG ACT with JP yellows has become my go to trigger. I have shot the RRA, CMMG, SSA-E & a few others. The ACT holds its own against any of them when the cost gets calculated for a bang for your buck comparison. For under a hundo it is a really nice setup. With the JP springs I see 3.75-3.875lb pull. I am not ringing steel at 600yds so a $200-300 trigger just does nothing for me except use money I can't spend elswhere. The take - up is about 1/8-3/16" but is not vague. You can feel the resistance right when it is about to break, which it does very cleanly. You can add the adjuster to any trigger to remove the take - up if you like. |
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What if his stock trigger sucks? If so, why not improve on it some? Seems like a very general statement you're making there based on an assumption he has a good stock trigger that couldn't use some improvement. Quoted:
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It will be for a little bit of hunting, a little bench shooting, but mostly just messing around plinking. Sounds like a perfect application for a stock trigger What if his stock trigger sucks? If so, why not improve on it some? Seems like a very general statement you're making there based on an assumption he has a good stock trigger that couldn't use some improvement. If you're going to criticize someone for making assumptions, it would be wise not to start your post with "what if" What if his stock trigger doesn't? Why improve it when it will yield in no practical benefit? Seems like a very general statement you're making there based on an assumption that he has a bad stock trigger that needs improvement. What I'm trying to say is... Both are assumptions, just on the opposite ends of the spectrum. My assumption is based on the fact that most trigger upgrade threads I read, especially for people who are don't little if anything more than plinking, are upgrades for the sake of upgrading. It's also based on the fact that I haven't yet handled an AR15 that had a trigger that was too crappy for mainly plinking, and based on those two observations, I'm providing my opinion. Now if the OP simply wants to upgrade for the sake of upgrading, by all means, he should do what he wants and what will bring him most enjoyment. That doesn't mean I cannot chime in with my opinion that the stock trigger is adequate enough for his application, and the money would be better invested elsewhere, even if elsewhere is a bank account. |
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Election by acclimation. Geissele does also have a SOCOM safety certification - a process through which it was objectively vetted as being reliable enough for duty use. ~Augee Which (sort of) goes back to my post: triggers are purpose built for specific applications. Once you decide how you are going to use your rifle, the decision is pretty much made. |
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It will be for a little bit of hunting, a little bench shooting, but mostly just messing around plinking. Sounds like a perfect application for a stock trigger Yep...to both of 2IS' posts. |
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If you're going to criticize someone for making assumptions, it would be wise not to start your post with "what if" What if his stock trigger doesn't? Why improve it when it will yield in no practical benefit? Seems like a very general statement you're making there based on an assumption that he has a bad stock trigger that needs improvement. What I'm trying to say is... Both are assumptions, just on the opposite ends of the spectrum. My assumption is based on the fact that most trigger upgrade threads I read, especially for people who are don't little if anything more than plinking, are upgrades for the sake of upgrading. It's also based on the fact that I haven't yet handled an AR15 that had a trigger that was too crappy for mainly plinking, and based on those two observations, I'm providing my opinion. Now if the OP simply wants to upgrade for the sake of upgrading, by all means, he should do what he wants and what will bring him most enjoyment. That doesn't mean I cannot chime in with my opinion that the stock trigger is adequate enough for his application, and the money would be better invested elsewhere, even if elsewhere is a bank account. Quoted:
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It will be for a little bit of hunting, a little bench shooting, but mostly just messing around plinking. Sounds like a perfect application for a stock trigger What if his stock trigger sucks? If so, why not improve on it some? Seems like a very general statement you're making there based on an assumption he has a good stock trigger that couldn't use some improvement. If you're going to criticize someone for making assumptions, it would be wise not to start your post with "what if" What if his stock trigger doesn't? Why improve it when it will yield in no practical benefit? Seems like a very general statement you're making there based on an assumption that he has a bad stock trigger that needs improvement. What I'm trying to say is... Both are assumptions, just on the opposite ends of the spectrum. My assumption is based on the fact that most trigger upgrade threads I read, especially for people who are don't little if anything more than plinking, are upgrades for the sake of upgrading. It's also based on the fact that I haven't yet handled an AR15 that had a trigger that was too crappy for mainly plinking, and based on those two observations, I'm providing my opinion. Now if the OP simply wants to upgrade for the sake of upgrading, by all means, he should do what he wants and what will bring him most enjoyment. That doesn't mean I cannot chime in with my opinion that the stock trigger is adequate enough for his application, and the money would be better invested elsewhere, even if elsewhere is a bank account. I'm not here to criticize or argue. The guy came here for advice on upgrading his trigger, not to stick with adequate regardless of if it is or isn't. |
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I have several rock river two stage triggers that have seen around 25k of 556 on one and 5k of 308 on the other. Both amazing triggers still.
Now I also have a Giselle, which is a damn fine trigger and is supposedly one of the most reliable on the market. Was it worth the difference? Not yet, but they don't have the same reported issue rate as RRA (which is small considering its standard issue in most of their rifles since o5) |
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THIS. I am lucky to live in Washington State only 45mins away from Rainer Arms. So, i went down there and started pulling triggers. One of the guys came over and gave me the pros and cons on all the triggers. after 30-45mins of pulling triggers I walked out with a Geissele Combat Trigger SSA. IMHO Can't go wrong with a good two stage trigger. Quoted:
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Try and find a shop with a trial lower. Wilson and geissele both have modified lowers they sell to dealers where they can install the trigger and allow you to test it. This is how i ended up with all of the geisseles i have is after getting to try them. Before that i thought i would hate flat trigger bows and now i have 6 of them. THIS. I am lucky to live in Washington State only 45mins away from Rainer Arms. So, i went down there and started pulling triggers. One of the guys came over and gave me the pros and cons on all the triggers. after 30-45mins of pulling triggers I walked out with a Geissele Combat Trigger SSA. IMHO Can't go wrong with a good two stage trigger. Im glad that store is out of wallet's reach from me... I see their store front pictures on instagram... Jealous. |
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I don't need a 2-stage, but I want a decent pull, so I am slowly converting my triggers over to the ALG ACT. I think it is a great single-stage. I had a few light strikes with JP yellows. Swapped to red/yellow.. but that increased the poundage. I speed hammer solves all of that tho. |
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I'm not here to criticize or argue. The guy came here for advice on upgrading his trigger, not to stick with adequate regardless of if it is or isn't. Quoted:
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It will be for a little bit of hunting, a little bench shooting, but mostly just messing around plinking. Sounds like a perfect application for a stock trigger What if his stock trigger sucks? If so, why not improve on it some? Seems like a very general statement you're making there based on an assumption he has a good stock trigger that couldn't use some improvement. If you're going to criticize someone for making assumptions, it would be wise not to start your post with "what if" What if his stock trigger doesn't? Why improve it when it will yield in no practical benefit? Seems like a very general statement you're making there based on an assumption that he has a bad stock trigger that needs improvement. What I'm trying to say is... Both are assumptions, just on the opposite ends of the spectrum. My assumption is based on the fact that most trigger upgrade threads I read, especially for people who are don't little if anything more than plinking, are upgrades for the sake of upgrading. It's also based on the fact that I haven't yet handled an AR15 that had a trigger that was too crappy for mainly plinking, and based on those two observations, I'm providing my opinion. Now if the OP simply wants to upgrade for the sake of upgrading, by all means, he should do what he wants and what will bring him most enjoyment. That doesn't mean I cannot chime in with my opinion that the stock trigger is adequate enough for his application, and the money would be better invested elsewhere, even if elsewhere is a bank account. I'm not here to criticize or argue. The guy came here for advice on upgrading his trigger, not to stick with adequate regardless of if it is or isn't. Except that you are arguing and criticizing. If that's not your intent then simply don't do it. Allow others to give their opinion, while you give yours and let the OP decides what direction he wants to go. |
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Here's another option for you. I haven't heard a lot about it. I have a single stage adjustable Jard trigger in mine. It can be said that a drop in trigger is much easier to install. And if you are looking for easy that would be the way to go. However, if you have a basic understanding of trigger components and how they work, it's not super difficult. It has a 1 1/2 lb pull, which I would not want in more intense situations, but is perfect for your intentions.
If you don't like that trigger pull they sell heavier springs for like $6. I took my 1 1/2 lbs and didn't look back. I love it. It is completely customizable from trigger pull to reset, to total travel. There are four different set screws to adjust the trigger exactly how you want it. So I know there are a lot of big money trigger fans out there. But for my money, I fell in love with my Jard trigger. |
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How I decided on my trigger......
I wanted a better than stock trigger in my patrol rifle. My departments armorer had just built a rifle and he used a Geissele. When I first put together my patrol rifle I had a PSA trigger in it. It was a good stock trigger (at least for me). Then I went to a QMS trigger which felt a little better than the PSA. Before I was to qualify I took the QMS out and put a Geissele SSA in. I love it. If I wasn't using the rifle for duty, I would have kept the PSA or QMS installed. Being that it was a patrol rifle I wanted something really good. I would have been just fine with the other triggers but wanted a really good trigger. OP, I understand where you are coming from. :) The QMS sits in another rifle. The PSA will go in a another soon to be built rifle. |
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I had a few light strikes with JP yellows. Swapped to red/yellow.. but that increased the poundage. I speed hammer solves all of that tho. Quoted:
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I don't need a 2-stage, but I want a decent pull, so I am slowly converting my triggers over to the ALG ACT. I think it is a great single-stage. I had a few light strikes with JP yellows. Swapped to red/yellow.. but that increased the poundage. I speed hammer solves all of that tho. I just used the springs that came with the ACT. Haven't had any problems in three rifles. You are talking about reduced power springs, correct? |
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Quoted: It will be for a little bit of hunting, a little bench shooting, but mostly just messing around plinking. I just recently posted a trigger guide for those who use their AR for hunting: http://www.varminter.com/ar-15-trigger-guide-options-to-help-improve-your-msr/ We were only able to cover a small sample of the market, however I'm hoping to add to it in the future. IMHO, the best all around, do all trigger is the Geissele SSA.
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Quoted: I just recently posted a trigger guide for those who use their AR for hunting: http://www.varminter.com/ar-15-trigger-guide-options-to-help-improve-your-msr/ Quoted: Quoted: It will be for a little bit of hunting, a little bench shooting, but mostly just messing around plinking. I just recently posted a trigger guide for those who use their AR for hunting: http://www.varminter.com/ar-15-trigger-guide-options-to-help-improve-your-msr/ We were only able to cover a small sample of the market, however I'm hoping to add to it in the future. IMHO, the best all around, do all trigger is the Geissele SSA. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It will be for a little bit of hunting, a little bench shooting, but mostly just messing around plinking. I just recently posted a trigger guide for those who use their AR for hunting: http://www.varminter.com/ar-15-trigger-guide-options-to-help-improve-your-msr/ We were only able to cover a small sample of the market, however I'm hoping to add to it in the future. IMHO, the best all around, do all trigger is the Geissele SSA.  |
| What are you use to shooting, single stage or two stage triggers? If you prefer single stage I would highly recommend the Wilson combat TTU... And they are on sale currently at Wilson Combat. Their 2 stage match is amazing too.... I honestly prefer them over my Geissele triggers which I have 3 of.... Triggers are very subjective.... But if a single stage trigger is your preference I'd highly recommend the 3-4 lb TTU. |
| Very much a newbie to AR's. After completing my build I wanted a better trigger but really couldn't bust loose the cash for a high end one like a Geissele. So after reading a lot of reviews, I got an ALG. I must say, it is a marked improvement over the original. I'll probably replace the springs as others have suggested, but based on the $65 I put into it, I am pleased. |
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I clean up GI triggers myself. I leave the springs alone. What I do is a little strategic polishing.
Makes the pull feel smoother, lighter with better takeup and letoff. It's still a stock trigger but it doesn't feel stock. Two of my lowers have these stock triggers. They're for HD, general shooting and bumming around. My other two lowers have better aftermarket triggers. These is for target/precision shooing. |
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I picked up a G2S for under 150 bucks today shipped. Great price, about half of what the highest geisseles are.
I was a single stage guy and had a custom fitted JP single stage match trigger. I was having some problems out of it, and I recently tested out an Armalite NM 2 stage trigger and loved it, so I went ahead and "pulled the trigger" on the G2S(I wanted a high quality 2 stage for my franken-bench ar15). Cleanest breaking target trigger though, is a JP custom installed, but its a hard thing to do correctly...you can spend a LOT more money and not beat the JP in quality. Problem is, you have set screws and grinding and you are just fractions of millimeters away on every stone from ruining your investment. I really can't recommend the JP trigger to anyone, just because its so easy to destroy the whole deal. |
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I wouldn't go so far as to say all other triggers feel like crap. The G2S has great bang for buck on a general purpose trigger though. Quoted:
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I shot a rifle with a Geissele trigger. At that point the decision was made. All other triggers felt like crap. Perhaps a bit of an exaggeration but it gets the point across. In my opinion Geissele pretty clearly makes a superior trigger (though I cannot claim to have used every trigger made, obviously). One of my ARs still has a (modified by me) RRA 2-stage that is better than GI, but nothing like my others. I need to fix that... |
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ArmaLite's 2 stage NM trigger is my go-to unless somebody really doesn't want a 2 stage trigger. I have one in my hunting rifle and it's exactly what I want, and it is one of the few that are user adjustable. IMO it is extremely hard to beat in the sub $150 price range, unless you find one smoking deal on a Geissele.
I have their 2 stage Tactical trigger in my factory ArmaLite M15, with the spring in the top notch, I use that rifle for courses and competitions, and it has served me very well. The two assemblies are the same pieces, with the adjustment set differently and stonework done by ArmaLite on the NM trigger vs. the Tactical. My M15 was bought as a factory ArmaLite rifle, it is covered by their lifetime guarantee, I am not worried about it breaking. The wife's rifle has an RRA NM 2 stage in it, and its feel is similar to my 2 stage Tactical. I'm hoping it lightens up with more use, it only has a hundred rounds through it compared to a couple thousand through the ArmaLite. |
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Quoted: ArmaLite's 2 stage NM trigger is my go-to unless somebody really doesn't want a 2 stage trigger. I have one in my hunting rifle and it's exactly what I want, and it is one of the few that are user adjustable. IMO it is extremely hard to beat in the sub $150 price range, unless you find one smoking deal on a Geissele. I have their 2 stage Tactical trigger in my factory ArmaLite M15, with the spring in the top notch, I use that rifle for courses and competitions, and it has served me very well. The two assemblies are the same pieces, with the adjustment set differently and stonework done by ArmaLite on the NM trigger vs. the Tactical. My M15 was bought as a factory ArmaLite rifle, it is covered by their lifetime guarantee, I am not worried about it breaking. The wife's rifle has an RRA NM 2 stage in it, and its feel is similar to my 2 stage Tactical. I'm hoping it lightens up with more use, it only has a hundred rounds through it compared to a couple thousand through the ArmaLite. I am a huge Geissele fan....but my number two choice is definitely ArmaLite's NM trigger....DAMN SWEET!!! |
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Quoted: Most folks will say GET GEISSELE. I have several geissele triggers and a few alg's. They are great. I would suggest reading this trigger reivew by septic aka the guy who runs CCA here in Iowa. He put work into it and you will see there is more than just geissele even if it is one of the more popular answers. It is a hard choice good luck. Quoted: Quoted: I've never used a different trigger before and I'm finally looking to upgrade. Only problem is there are so many choices and I can't easily get my hands on a bunch to try them out. I've been looking at Wilson, CMC, Timney, Geissele, Hipertouch etc... So, how do I decide what I should be buying? Most folks will say GET GEISSELE. I have several geissele triggers and a few alg's. They are great. I would suggest reading this trigger reivew by septic aka the guy who runs CCA here in Iowa. He put work into it and you will see there is more than just geissele even if it is one of the more popular answers. It is a hard choice good luck. |
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Triggers are on sale now.. doesn't happen all that often
Code: TRIGGERCODE At check out! Remember Giessele guys! |
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Quoted: Triggers are on sale now.. doesn't happen all that often Code: TRIGGERCODE At check out! Remember Giessele guys! |
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