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Posted: 5/31/2012 5:41:49 PM EDT
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Hey, I'm new here, but I've had my AR for a year now. I've searched here and other websites for a long time, but I just can't find a definite answer to my question regarding my AR.
Anyways, i was wondering if it would be possible to mount an Aimpoint Micro on a Daniel Defense Aimpoint Micro Mount, all on a railed forend. I ask this because my rifle is a DPMS Classic 16, o it has the A2 sights. Most people would say to just get a gooseneck mount for the Aimpoint, but since I already have the railed forend (Daniel Defense EZ Car 7.0), I would prefer to mount the sight on that, as close as possible to the upper receiver. Would this setup work? I already know that it would not hold a perfect zero because the rails are not free float rails. Also, would this mount provide enough height so that the red dot could be viewed from behind the rear A2 sight? |
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Hey, I'm new here, but I've had my AR for a year now. I've searched here and other websites for a long time, but I just can't find a definite answer to my question regarding my AR. Anyways, i was wondering if it would be possible to mount an Aimpoint Micro on a Daniel Defense Aimpoint Micro Mount, all on a railed forend. I ask this because my rifle is a DPMS Classic 16, o it has the A2 sights. Most people would say to just get a gooseneck mount for the Aimpoint, but since I already have the railed forend (Daniel Defense EZ Car 7.0), I would prefer to mount the sight on that, as close as possible to the upper receiver. Would this setup work? I already know that it would not hold a perfect zero because the rails are not free float rails. Also, would this mount provide enough height so that the red dot could be viewed from behind the rear A2 sight? It won't be ideal, but it'll work. As you said, it won't retain zero perfectly, but RDS and aiming lasers have been mounted on non-FF rails for years. I don't recall off top of my head whether the DD mount is absolute or lower 1/3 co-witness, but the handguard rail will be at the same height as a flattop upper receiver would be with the DD rail. The fixed iron sights are also at the same relative height to the top rail - so you will be able to use the Aimpoint as if you had fixed iron sights. ~Augee |
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Ok thanks for the reply.
If i only plan on using the rifle up to 200 yards on occasion, but mostly only using it at 100 yards, will I be fine with the Aimpoint? Like how often will I have to rezero and how much will the Aimpoint be off by? And also, is there any better setup for putting on an Aimpoint like this that doesn't involve a gooseneck mount or getting a non A2 upper? |
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Ok thanks for the reply. If i only plan on using the rifle up to 200 yards on occasion, but mostly only using it at 100 yards, will I be fine with the Aimpoint? Like how often will I have to rezero and how much will the Aimpoint be off by? And also, is there any better setup for putting on an Aimpoint like this that doesn't involve a gooseneck mount or getting a non A2 upper? Honestly, there's a lot of doom and gloom about mounting optics on a non-FF rail, but to be honest, at the extreme end, I would estimate the POI shift unless you're putting a lot of pressure (hasty sling / bipod) on the rail, you'll maybe see 2 MOA of shift? With the dot in the T1 being either 2 or 4 MOA, with the type of shooting most people do with RDS, I doubt you'll notice it much. That being said, for an RDS on a carbine, I actually prefer the carry handle mounted option - On a carbine, the high carry handle mounted RDS places it in an excellent "heads up" position, good for dynamic running and gunning scenarios, and the [near] parallax free optics and flexibility of placing your head in a less than ideal position - red dot on target, break triggers - make it an excellent setup for that kind of work. As long as the rifle is firmly supported and your technique is good, the poor cheekweld can be easily overcome within 100m. Since most carry handle mounts also allow continued use of the iron sights, for targets / engagements at further distances for which you have more time to fully get behind and align the sights, you can use the irons. ~Augee |
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Ok thanks for the reply. If i only plan on using the rifle up to 200 yards on occasion, but mostly only using it at 100 yards, will I be fine with the Aimpoint? Like how often will I have to rezero and how much will the Aimpoint be off by? And also, is there any better setup for putting on an Aimpoint like this that doesn't involve a gooseneck mount or getting a non A2 upper? Honestly, there's a lot of doom and gloom about mounting optics on a non-FF rail, but to be honest, at the extreme end, I would estimate the POI shift unless you're putting a lot of pressure (hasty sling / bipod) on the rail, you'll maybe see 2 MOA of shift? With the dot in the T1 being either 2 or 4 MOA, with the type of shooting most people do with RDS, I doubt you'll notice it much. That being said, for an RDS on a carbine, I actually prefer the carry handle mounted option - On a carbine, the high carry handle mounted RDS places it in an excellent "heads up" position, good for dynamic running and gunning scenarios, and the [near] parallax free optics and flexibility of placing your head in a less than ideal position - red dot on target, break triggers - make it an excellent setup for that kind of work. As long as the rifle is firmly supported and your technique is good, the poor cheekweld can be easily overcome within 100m. Since most carry handle mounts also allow continued use of the iron sights, for targets / engagements at further distances for which you have more time to fully get behind and align the sights, you can use the irons. ~Augee Ok, i was handling my rifle and determined that it would just be more ergonomic to mount the sight on the carry handle as you stated. That being said, could you point me towards some good quality carry handle mounts that would allow me allow me to still use the irons just in case? Thanks in advance. |
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You really have to try for yourself.
I have an A2, with RDS and thought I'd have to change my upper out, even though I had both the carry handle weaver mounts, and a z cantilever type that mounts to the carry handle, but floats a rail in front of, and lower than the top of the carry handle. Turns out I like the height of the RDS on top of the carry handle, and it holds zero fine (no auto or rapid fire) and shoots ~2 MOA, but I think that is more me, not the setup. I also have an old German 2.5x mag in front of the RDS on the same top carry handle mount, the one DD used in their 'Po boy magnifier setups, but I don't have a FTS mount, just a thumb twist release. This holds zero too. The beauty of the A2 and keeping the FSB vs the modern slap on BUIS and free floated heavy rails is that stuff is not going to hold zero like the old A2 integral mounted irons, once the rifle gets banged up a bit. There's a reason why A2's are still in use in many parts of service. |
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There's a reason why A2's are still in use in many parts of service. Better things to do with limited budgets than to replace functional inventory for non-combat support troops that will never actually need to fire their weapons outside of annual qualification? ~Augee |
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